For those that think we should go RB at 3....

[NorthernBlue]

This is pretty much gonna be the debate all till April. Whether or not we should take Barkley at 3, and specifically if an RBs value is worth  it in the first. 

 

For those that are in the take Barkley camp, consider this. This is a comment I found on Stampede Blue by user FatDT. Just cutting and pasting a portion (everything in bold is his comment).

 

Top 20 in rushing yardage:
Kareem Hunt – Round 3
Todd Gurley – Round 1
Le’Veon Bell – Round 2
Lesean McCoy – Round 2
Mark Ingram – Round 1
Jordan Howard – Round 5
Melvin Gordon – Round 1
Leonard Fournette – Round 1
CJ Anderson – Undrafted
Ezekiel Elliot – Round 1
Alex Collins – Round 5
Frank Gore – Round 3
Carlos Hyde – Round 2
Dion Lewis – Round 5
Marshawn Lynch – Round 1
Lamar Miller – Round 4
Devonta Freeman – Round 4
Isaiah Crowell – Undrafted
Latavius Murray – Round 6
Bilal Powell – Round 4

 

Top 20 in sacks:
Chandler Jones – Round 1
Calais Campbell – Round 2
Demarcus Lawrence – Round 2
Everson Griffin – Round 4
Cam Jordan – Round 1
Ryan Kerrigan – Round 1
Joey Bosa – Round 1
Ezekiel Ansah – Round 1
Cam Heyward – Round 1
Yannick Ngakoue – Round 3
Mario Addison – Undrafted
Aaron Donald – Round 1
Julius Peppers – Round 1
Terrell Suggs – Round 1
Melvin Ingram – Round 1
Khalil Mack – Round 1
Cam Wake – Undrafted
Von Miller – Round 1
Adrian Clayborn – Round 1
Jadaveon Clowney – Round 1

 

RBs – 6 in the 1st round, 5 in rounds 2-3, 9 in rounds 4-7 and UDFA
Pass Rushers – 14 in the 1st round, 3 in rounds 2-3, 3 in rounds 4-7 and UDFA

 

Barkley is a once in a generation, sure. But it's so much easier to find a late round RB than it is a pass rusher. And most of those pass rushers were taken top 10, a spot where the colts likely won't pick again for the next few years.

 

I like Saquon, but if the colts think Bradley Chubb is a stud, they can't pass on him for a position that simply isn't used as much in the NFL anymore.

 

If any y'all's trying to read the full thread, here.

https://www.stampedeblue.com/2018/1/22/16913018/better-option-for-the-colts-signing-leveon-bell-or-drafting-saquon-barkley

[TaylorStillTruckedYou]

I also notice that a couple of those sack leaders can be added through FA...

[Maniac]

If we're not taking Barkley then we should be trading down.

 

I'm not really bothered about whether we take Barkley or not, I'll think he'll be good but we have needs elsewhere, but those needs could be filled with a slightly later 1st rounder and a few assets to go along with it.

 

I wouldn't like to use 3 on Chubb.

[ColtJ82]

Barkley is such an intriguing talent, but I agree with you. Josh McDaniel's time with the Patriots never really placed heavy value on RB talent. Versatility seems more of a priority. Maybe that won't be the same here, but I'd be surprised. 

 

The Colts desperately need a top-flight pass rusher. Barkley is the more exciting pick, but Chubb is my pick. I'm not totally sold that the Giants go QB. That could shake things up.  

[NorthernBlue]

2 minutes ago, ColtJ82 said:

Barkley is such an intriguing talent, but I agree with you. Josh McDaniel's time with the Patriots never really placed heavy value on RB talent. Versatility seems more of a priority. Maybe that won't be the same here, but I'd be surprised. 

 

The Colts desperately need a top-flight pass rusher. Barkley is the more exciting pick, but Chubb is my pick. I'm not totally sold that the Giants go QB. That could shake things up.  

Giants already got a pretty okay D tho. They were really good in 2016. I feel like if they don't go QB, it has to be RB or Oline.

[ColtJ82]

 

3 minutes ago, NorthernBlue said:

Giants already got a pretty okay D tho. They were really good in 2016. I feel like if they don't go QB, it has to be RB or Oline.

Barkley would be a great fit in Shurmurs system. 

[SevaColt]

I'm betting the Rams release Tavon Austin. Didn't use him at all last year , 13 rec - 47 yards,  59 rushes - 270 yards. A coach or offense that knows how to use him he'd go off. He'd be a good fit with McDaniels 

[tvturner]

30 minutes ago, SevaColt said:

I'm betting the Rams release Tavon Austin. Didn't use him at all last year , 13 rec - 47 yards,  59 rushes - 270 yards. A coach or offense that knows how to use him he'd go off. He'd be a good fit with McDaniels 

Uh we already have a Tavon Austin

And he's way better

[SevaColt]

If you're referring to Mack , stick to basketball or some other sport you might know. That's an absurd statement.

[King Colt]

List the needs of the Colts then place the need for a runner against OL and defense players. Will a RB protect Luck?

[BOTT]

5 hours ago, SevaColt said:

I'm betting the Rams release Tavon Austin. Didn't use him at all last year , 13 rec - 47 yards,  59 rushes - 270 yards. A coach or offense that knows how to use him he'd go off. He'd be a good fit with McDaniels 

Sean McVay is pretty good.  People keep waiting for Austin to live up to his draft position....he isn't going to.

[i am yoda]

Draft a big ugly.  Let someone else spend their pick on a glamour boy.

[Jackie Daytona]

5 hours ago, King Colt said:

List the needs of the Colts then place the need for a runner against OL and defense players. Will a RB protect Luck?

In a way, yes.  Not directly, but indirectly for certain.

[RealityIsLuck]

5 hours ago, King Colt said:

List the needs of the Colts then place the need for a runner against OL and defense players. Will a RB protect Luck?

Completely... packed up boxes with single coverage will often times lead to quicker reads and throws for Luck.

[i am yoda]

There's an even chance that Barkley is taken at #2.

[throwing BBZ]

If Le'Veon Bell goes to the highest bidder, let it be us.
Please, no stupid comments about his staying with Steelers.

[IndyScribe]

4 minutes ago, throwing BBZ said:

If Le'Veon Bell goes to the highest bidder, let it be us.
Please, no stupid comments about his staying with Steelers.

No to Bell. The money is better spent elsewhere. I don't want him on the Colts.

[Valpo2004]

I don't consider Barkley once in a generation.

 

Also have people forgotten about trading down.  Honestly that's the best decision on all.  We need multiple upgrades so getting extra picks is a good thing. 

[DaColts85]

21 minutes ago, throwing BBZ said:

If Le'Veon Bell goes to the highest bidder, let it be us.
Please, no stupid comments about his staying with Steelers.

No stupid comments about him being Tagged as the Steelers have already mentioned?

Please, no stupid comments on spending 11+ million per year on a RB.

[Indy Fan]

11 hours ago, NorthernBlue said:

Giants already got a pretty okay D tho. They were really good in 2016. I feel like if they don't go QB, it has to be RB or Oline.

Just from browsing the Giants forum, plenty are in the boat of wanting Chubb to replace JPP. Barkley is a favorite atm based on the posts I’ve read as some believe Webb may develop and is better than what they are going to find in round 2. I could also see them trading back and acquiring a future first.

[krunk]

4 hours ago, BOTT said:

Sean McVay is pretty good.  People keep waiting for Austin to live up to his draft position....he isn't going to.

Speaking of Tavon Austin I think he would be a good run after the catch type of guy for the system that we will be running.    I wonder?

[dgambill]

I think QB is very high on Giants board. I think they want Eli to mentor a young qb...but I still would put even money on them taking Barkley themselves and addressing OL in free agency and loading up to take a shot at Dallas and Philly. I would not be the least bit surprised that they take Barkley with first pick and don't trade back up into the 20s or so and get a qb like Jackson, Rudolph, or Mayfield....just comes down to how much push back Eli crew gives them and how good they think Rosen/Darnold will be.

[lollygagger8]

I'm guessing the Browns take Barkley at #1 and then get their QB at #4. 

 

Chubb or trade down please. 

[richard pallo]

I'm starting to think Shurmer is going to stick with Eli and he will take Barclay with their 1st. pick.  If they take a QB the NY media will create a firestorm the first chance they get.  I think they will try to avoid that until they are ready to move on from Eli. 

[Gigc]

Here's the thing. I don't think anyone is saying 'Hey, I got an idea, let's go RB at number 3!"

they're saying, hey, Barkley is considered the best player in the draft by many experts. LET'S TAKE BARKLEY at three. 

there's a difference. 

years ago we picked Marshall Faulk at number 2. was a pretty good pick (even if a lot of his career was in St. Louis)

[crazycolt1]

6 hours ago, Indy Fan said:

Just from browsing the Giants forum, plenty are in the boat of wanting Chubb to replace JPP. Barkley is a favorite atm based on the posts I’ve read as some believe Webb may develop and is better than what they are going to find in round 2. I could also see them trading back and acquiring a future first.

The thing with the Giants is they don't really have a RB on their roster who could be a starter for any other team in the NFL. Picking Barkley might be on their mind if he is there past the Browns.

[Dark Superman]

Saquon Barkley is more talented than any RB on that list.

[crazycolt1]

9 hours ago, dgambill said:

I think QB is very high on Giants board. I think they want Eli to mentor a young qb...but I still would put even money on them taking Barkley themselves and addressing OL in free agency and loading up to take a shot at Dallas and Philly. I would not be the least bit surprised that they take Barkley with first pick and don't trade back up into the 20s or so and get a qb like Jackson, Rudolph, or Mayfield....just comes down to how much push back Eli crew gives them and how good they think Rosen/Darnold will be.

I can see that scenario. Eli's play last year was not what the problems they had were. Eli had no weapons at all to work with. Both top receivers were out and absolutely no running game what so ever. After seeing their RBs on their roster I highly doubt there was one who could even start on another teams roster.

[crazycolt1]

11 hours ago, throwing BBZ said:

If Le'Veon Bell goes to the highest bidder, let it be us.
Please, no stupid comments about his staying with Steelers.

Now if a top RB is on the Colts mind why spend anything on Bell?  If that is their mindset go ahead and draft Barkley and pay him rookie wage scale. You bring up stupid? That is exactly what the Colts would be if they signed Bell.

[BlueShoe]

23 hours ago, NorthernBlue said:

This is pretty much gonna be the debate all till April. Whether or not we should take Barkley at 3, and specifically if an RBs value is worth  it in the first. 

 

For those that are in the take Barkley camp, consider this. This is a comment I found on Stampede Blue by user FatDT. Just cutting and pasting a portion (everything in bold is his comment).

 

Top 20 in rushing yardage:
Kareem Hunt – Round 3
Todd Gurley – Round 1
Le’Veon Bell – Round 2
Lesean McCoy – Round 2
Mark Ingram – Round 1
Jordan Howard – Round 5
Melvin Gordon – Round 1
Leonard Fournette – Round 1
CJ Anderson – Undrafted
Ezekiel Elliot – Round 1
Alex Collins – Round 5
Frank Gore – Round 3
Carlos Hyde – Round 2
Dion Lewis – Round 5
Marshawn Lynch – Round 1
Lamar Miller – Round 4
Devonta Freeman – Round 4
Isaiah Crowell – Undrafted
Latavius Murray – Round 6
Bilal Powell – Round 4

 

Top 20 in sacks:
Chandler Jones – Round 1
Calais Campbell – Round 2
Demarcus Lawrence – Round 2
Everson Griffin – Round 4
Cam Jordan – Round 1
Ryan Kerrigan – Round 1
Joey Bosa – Round 1
Ezekiel Ansah – Round 1
Cam Heyward – Round 1
Yannick Ngakoue – Round 3
Mario Addison – Undrafted
Aaron Donald – Round 1
Julius Peppers – Round 1
Terrell Suggs – Round 1
Melvin Ingram – Round 1
Khalil Mack – Round 1
Cam Wake – Undrafted
Von Miller – Round 1
Adrian Clayborn – Round 1
Jadaveon Clowney – Round 1

 

RBs – 6 in the 1st round, 5 in rounds 2-3, 9 in rounds 4-7 and UDFA
Pass Rushers – 14 in the 1st round, 3 in rounds 2-3, 3 in rounds 4-7 and UDFA

 

Barkley is a once in a generation, sure. But it's so much easier to find a late round RB than it is a pass rusher. And most of those pass rushers were taken top 10, a spot where the colts likely won't pick again for the next few years.

 

I like Saquon, but if the colts think Bradley Chubb is a stud, they can't pass on him for a position that simply isn't used as much in the NFL anymore.

 

If any y'all's trying to read the full thread, here.

https://www.stampedeblue.com/2018/1/22/16913018/better-option-for-the-colts-signing-leveon-bell-or-drafting-saquon-barkley

 

Doesn't matter where we pick a running back, eh?

 

Yeah, because every one of these running backs made it big in the NFL:

 

http://footballdungeon.com/draft-results/2016-nfl-draft-results/

 

4	1	Cowboys	Ezekiel Elliott	RB	Ohio State	2
45	2	Titans	Derrick Henry	RB	Alabama	48
73	3	Dolphins	Kenyan Drake	RB	Alabama	86
90	3	Seahawks	C.J. Prosise	RB	Notre Dame	70
119	4	Texans	Tyler Ervin	RB	San Jose State	182
134	4	Ravens	Kenneth Dixon	RB	Louisiana Tech	71
136	4	Broncos	Devontae Booker	RB	Utah	89
143	5	Raiders	DeAndre Washington	RB	Texas Tech	107
149	5	Giants	Paul Perkins	RB	UCLA	66
150	5	Bears	Jordan Howard	RB	Indiana	44
153	5	Eagles	Wendell Smallwood	RB	West Virginia	111
156	5	Bills	Jonathan Williams	RB	Arkansas	170
171	5	Seahawks	Alex Collins	RB	Arkansas	109
182	6	Ravens	Keenan Reynolds	RB	Navy	283
211	6	49ers	Kelvin Taylor	RB	Florida	225
216	6	Cowboys	Darius Jackson	RB	Eastern Michigan	272
236	7	Lions	Dwayne Washington	RB	Washington	184
237	7	Saints	Daniel Lasco	RB	California	249
242	7	Redskins	Keith Marshall	RB	Georgia	269
247	7	Seahawks	Zac Brooks	RB	Clemson	300

[BlueShoe]

Saquon Barkley is more talented than any RB on that list.

 

Correct!

[Indy Fan]

4 hours ago, crazycolt1 said:

The thing with the Giants is they don't really have a RB on their roster who could be a starter for any other team in the NFL. Picking Barkley might be on their mind if he is there past the Browns.

Makes sense but they could also look to address the need through FA. Personally I hope they take him so our pick becomes more valuable. The only consensus on the board is resigning Fluker and shipping out Apple/JPP.

[crazycolt1]

6 hours ago, Gigc said:

Here's the thing. I don't think anyone is saying 'Hey, I got an idea, let's go RB at number 3!"

they're saying, hey, Barkley is considered the best player in the draft by many experts. LET'S TAKE BARKLEY at three. 

there's a difference. 

years ago we picked Marshall Faulk at number 2. was a pretty good pick (even if a lot of his career was in St. Louis)

 

[Dark Superman]

13 minutes ago, crazycolt1 said:

Now if a top RB is on the Colts mind why spend anything on Bell?  If that is their mindset go ahead and draft Barkley and pay him rookie wage scale. You bring up stupid? That is exactly what the Colts would be if they signed Bell.

People don't want the Colts using their 3rd overall pick on Saquon Barkley, but they are willing to throw $14 million a year in for Bell. The day the Colts pay a running back that much money is the day I stop watching this team.

Take Saquon and you get the younger and better back for one third the price.

 

[Dark Superman]

14 minutes ago, BlueShoe said:

 

Correct!

I mean, he's got the tools. He still needs to go out there and prove it, but I would take Barkley with the third pick way before overspending on an RB in free agency.

[BlueShoe]

1 minute ago, KING. said:

People don't want the Colts using their 3rd overall pick on Saquon Barkley, but they are willing to throw $14 million a year in for Bell. The day the Colts pay a running back that much money is the day I stop watching this team.

Take Saquon and you get the younger and better back for one third the price.

 

 

Stop making so much sense!!!!

 

You're going to give outsiders the wrong idea of this place. 

[Dark Superman]

The Colts could easily find their guy in the middle rounds of this draft. No need to go out and overpay for one.

[Dark Superman]

Just now, BlueShoe said:

 

Stop making so much sense!!!!

 

You're going to give outsiders the wrong idea of this place. 

It just kills me how some people think on here.

[BlueShoe]

8 minutes ago, KING. said:

I mean, he's got the tools. He still needs to go out there and prove it, but I would take Barkley with the third pick way before overspending on an RB in free agency.

 

I agree. He more than tools. He reminds me of Edgerrin James. Everything about him. 

 

A generational running back to go along with our generational quarterback.

 

It's not hard to think about. A child could make the Colts pick this April. 

[crazycolt1]

1 minute ago, BlueShoe said:

 

I agree. He more than tools. He reminds me of Edgerrin James. Everything about him. 

 

A generational running back to go along with our generational quarterback.

 

It's not hard to think about. A child could make the Colts pick this April. 

So if Ballard don't take him he is a child?  Very mature of you to say that.