Quincy Wilson played well

[zvich]

Yes the 2nd and 3rd string QB's were playing, yes it was also a blizzard but take a look at this.

CB Quincy Wilson, 86.2 overall grade

Even though six of the Bills’ 15 pass attempts targeted Wilson, the rookie cornerback held his ground and allowed just two receptions for a total of 18 yards. Wilson appeared to match the phisicality of wide receiver Kelvin Benjamin as he allowed him just one reception on five targets and also recorded a pass breakup against Benjamin.

 

So why does Chuck insist on not playing him every week?

[B~Town]

How did he grade out last week .

[ColtsBlitz]

I really like him. Think he could be good with a bit more work on getting his head around. 

 

15 minutes ago, B~Town said:

How did he grade out last week .

Pretty sure he had 2 PD. Wasn’t great, but expected after not playing for X amount of weeks. 

 

Edit: he had 3 PD against Buffalo. 

[Guest]

Making a late surge for DROY. Lol

[Nesjan3]

I wouldnt take one game in a blizzard against the Bills backup quarterbacks as any kind of gauge for Q. Wilson

[GoColts8818]

I don’t know how much you can take away from today’s game good or bad.

[John Waylon]

22 minutes ago, GoColts8818 said:

I don’t know how much you can take away from today’s game good or bad.

 

Pretty much. There was nothing routine about today. It's in a category all its own and it's not indicative of anything else. 

[The Peytonator]

Yeah as big a fan of Quincy as I am, yesterday was not the type of game where you can evaluate anyone. But it was fun as hell to watch. 

[lollygagger8]

10 hours ago, zvich said:

 

 

So why does Chuck insist on not playing him every week?

 

Because Chuck. 

[richard pallo]

12 hours ago, zvich said:

Yes the 2nd and 3rd string QB's were playing, yes it was also a blizzard but take a look at this.

CB Quincy Wilson, 86.2 overall grade

Even though six of the Bills’ 15 pass attempts targeted Wilson, the rookie cornerback held his ground and allowed just two receptions for a total of 18 yards. Wilson appeared to match the phisicality of wide receiver Kelvin Benjamin as he allowed him just one reception on five targets and also recorded a pass breakup against Benjamin.

 

So why does Chuck insist on not playing him every week?

It has been well documented that he is not putting out in practice.  They are disappointed in his effort and other players have earned the playing time. 

[Crunked]

Quincy Wilson played well in a blizzard, with a foot of snow on the ground against the emergency 3rd string QB is sort of like saying, "I have Syphillis the best of the sexually transmitted diseases. " (quote courtesy of the British version of Top Gear).....thank you Jeremy Clarkson  

[twfish]

11 hours ago, Nesjan3 said:

I wouldnt take one game in a blizzard against the Bills backup quarterbacks as any kind of gauge for Q. Wilson

Covering a 6'5 WR in the snow is no easy task even with a back up back up QB

[aaron11]

 how can you garner much of anything from that game yesterday?  the conditions obviously favored the coverage 

 

the ball went right through his hands on the one play, wasnt as good as it looked at first

 

he seems to be in the right spot often, but fails to actually make the play 

[throwing BBZ]

13 hours ago, zvich said:

Yes the 2nd and 3rd string QB's were playing, yes it was also a blizzard but take a look at this.

CB Quincy Wilson, 86.2 overall grade

Even though six of the Bills’ 15 pass attempts targeted Wilson, the rookie cornerback held his ground and allowed just two receptions for a total of 18 yards. Wilson appeared to match the phisicality of wide receiver Kelvin Benjamin as he allowed him just one reception on five targets and also recorded a pass breakup against Benjamin.

 

So why does Chuck insist on not playing him every week?

 

 

  Some folks just can't get it.  

[jameszeigler834]

13 hours ago, zvich said:

Yes the 2nd and 3rd string QB's were playing, yes it was also a blizzard but take a look at this.

CB Quincy Wilson, 86.2 overall grade

Even though six of the Bills’ 15 pass attempts targeted Wilson, the rookie cornerback held his ground and allowed just two receptions for a total of 18 yards. Wilson appeared to match the phisicality of wide receiver Kelvin Benjamin as he allowed him just one reception on five targets and also recorded a pass breakup against Benjamin.

 

So why does Chuck insist on not playing him every week?

Because Pagano sucks.

[Steamboat_Shaun]

2 hours ago, richard pallo said:

It has been well documented that he is not putting out in practice.  They are disappointed in his effort and other players have earned the playing time. 

 

Well documented by who?

[Steamboat_Shaun]

5 hours ago, The Peytonator said:

Yeah as big a fan of Quincy as I am, yesterday was not the type of game where you can evaluate anyone. But it was fun as hell to watch. 

 

This is true, but Wilson had played poorly, there'd be plenty of people in here pouring on the criticism.

[NewColtsFan]

30 minutes ago, Steamboat_Shaun said:

 

Well documented by who?

 

Well documentede by Monachino and Pagano and those of us who are reading the stories that are out there.....

 

Here's a story from a few weeks back.....      Pagano went easy on Wilson.       Monachino did not.      He did say Wilson played well in the Arizona game and they have no doubt he's a good player.     But that he doesn't know how to be a pro on a day to day basis.

 

Imagine what Wilson's behavior must be like Monday thru Friday in order to be inactive on Sunday.      They are trying to teach him how to be a pro.

 

Here's your story.      This is from ESPN,  but Colts.com had it too,  though I can't find it now...

 

http://www.espn.com/blog/indianapolis-colts/post/_/id/22232/second-round-pick-quincy-wilsons-inactivity-has-been-one-of-colts-biggest-mysteries

[JaguarsWoman]

2 hours ago, aaron11 said:

How can you garner much of anything from that game yesterday? The conditions obviously favored the coverage 

 

The ball went right through his hands on the one play, Wasn't as good as it looked at first.

 

He seems to be in the right spot often, but fails to actually make the play 

 

One game is never enough to gauge anything, even if it is indoors. You need to watch him play every week he does if you want a good sample size.

 

Watching a player's performance in bad weather conditions can tell you what he can do with a wet football.

[aaron11]

4 minutes ago, JaguarsWoman said:

 

One game is never enough to gauge anything, even if it is indoors. You need to watch him play every week he does if you want a good sample size.

 

Watching a player's performance in bad weather conditions can tell you what he can do with a wet football.

overall he hasnt done much really.  

 

played in like 5 games with 8 tackles and 5 passes defended.  some of those were in the snow yesterday 

 

 

[Steamboat_Shaun]

5 minutes ago, NewColtsFan said:

 

Well documentede by Monachino and Pagano and those of us who are reading the stories that are out there.....

 

Here's a story from a few weeks back.....      Pagano went easy on Wilson.       Monachino did not.      He did say Wilson played well in the Arizona game and they have no doubt he's a good player.     But that he doesn't know how to be a pro on a day to day basis.

 

Imagine what Wilson's behavior must be like Monday thru Friday in order to be inactive on Sunday.      They are trying to teach him how to be a pro.

 

Here's your story.      This is from ESPN,  but Colts.com had it too,  though I can't find it now...

 

http://www.espn.com/blog/indianapolis-colts/post/_/id/22232/second-round-pick-quincy-wilsons-inactivity-has-been-one-of-colts-biggest-mysteries

 

I've read all that stuff and listened to Chuck and Ted spew their nonsense about how he needs to be a better pro or whatever, but I can't take anything those 2 say seriously anymore, especially when they won't hesitate to trot TJ Green out there as a starter.

[NewColtsFan]

4 minutes ago, Steamboat_Shaun said:

 

I've read all that stuff and listened to Chuck and Ted spew their nonsense about how he needs to be a better pro or whatever, but I can't take anything those 2 say seriously anymore, especially when they won't hesitate to trot TJ Green out there as a starter.

 

Well....

 

You asked the question....     who is documenting it?      I simply provided the answer.

 

And I think your response here makes my argument more than it does yours.      They know Wilson is a better player than Green and others.       And yet they're playig other players.      And Ballard does NOT intervine...

 

What does that tell you?

 

That Wilson,  for as talented as he is,  is young, immature, and is still learning how to be an NFL player.

 

And they're not going to reward his behavior.    And they're going to reward lesser players who are trying harder and paying more attention.

 

Wilson is playing now....   he'll get some reps and likely be a starter next year.     But I have zero problems with how Pagano (a players coach) and Monachino (the DC) have handled this.      I hope someday Wilson will thank them for this tough love....

 

[ColtsBlitz]

1 hour ago, Steamboat_Shaun said:

 

This is true, but Wilson had played poorly, there'd be plenty of people in here pouring on the criticism.

Dilly Dilly!

[rock8591]

On 12/10/2017 at 10:56 PM, Nesjan3 said:

I wouldnt take one game in a blizzard against the Bills backup quarterbacks as any kind of gauge for Q. Wilson

 

Pagano clearly has favorites, just like how he was infatuated with Ricardo Matthews over Lawrence Guy.

 

Personally, I don't think Wilson has any attitude or behavior problems, just not one of Pagano's favorites.

[Dark Superman]

I'll wait until we play Denver this week to evaluate Wilson.

I like him, but thought we reached for the guy.

I hope he proves me wrong.

[Dark Superman]

Colts still gotta draft or bring in someone in FA.

 

[NewColtsFan]

15 hours ago, rock8591 said:

 

Pagano clearly has favorites, just like how he was infatuated with Ricardo Matthews over Lawrence Guy.

 

Personally, I don't think Wilson has any attitude or behavior problems, just not one of Pagano's favorites.

 

Couple of points....

 

First,  Lawrence Guy, who I like a lot,  wasn't Lawrence Guy when we got him.  

 

He's been with 5 teams in a short span of time.    The Colts were #2.

 

The Colts signed him off the PS from Green Bay.      We waived him after about a year.

 

Then San Diego signed him and waived him after about a year.

 

Then Baltimore signed him,  and THAT'S when he began to play better.

 

And even Baltimore didn't keep him,  and New England signed him to a good 4-year deal.     His 5th team.

 

So lots of teams didn't see enough in Lawrence Guy to keep him,  it wasn't just the Colts.

 

The other point to make,  is Guy's time with the Colts overlaps with Grigson.    And no one is quite sure who was making decisions on who starts and who plays much,  Pagano or Grigson.     There were all sorts of stories back then about Grigson making the decisions.

 

I don't think anyone knows for sure what happened during those years.      As Superman often points out,  coaches don't play favorites as often as fans think they do.     To play a lesser player instead of a better player puts winning at risk, and that puts their job at risk.     Coaches do NOT want to put their own jobs at risk.

 

[Valpo2004]

On 12/11/2017 at 7:50 AM, The Peytonator said:

Yeah as big a fan of Quincy as I am, yesterday was not the type of game where you can evaluate anyone. But it was fun as hell to watch. 

 

I was thinking that myself.  That blizzard probably made every DB on the field look good.  

 

Not to mention Buffalo's QB isn't good in good or bad weather. 

[JaguarsWoman]

16 hours ago, rock8591 said:

Pagano clearly has favorites, just like how he was infatuated with Ricardo Matthews over Lawrence Guy.

 

Personally, I don't think Wilson has any attitude or behavior problems, just not one of Pagano's favorites.

 

If this is the case, you have tol wonder if Chris Ballard drafted Quincy Wilson without talking to Chuck Pagano about it. The coach is supposed to tell the GM, "I like/dislike this guy and here's why." If that kind of conversation happened, it probably should have ended with Pagano and Ballard agreeing on Quincy Wilson's work ethic.

[NorthernBlue]

This stuff about paganos favourites is stupid. Why the heck would a coach whose on the hot seat play a certain player over another simply because he 'likes him more'? Chucks not in a position to do stuff like that.

 

The coaching staff are playing the players who they think gives them the best chance to win games. Simple as that.

[Fisticuffs111]

Count me as somebody who thinks Pagano/Ted are just playing guys who he thinks can help win. The only time I've ever considered him possibly playing favorites is when it comes to Green, mostly since it's been rumored that Chuck was infatuated with him even before the draft.

It is interesting that he's been so adamant about keeping Wilson off the field though. Ever since Ballard talked about our young players' development and that being key for our coaching staff, I thought his best bet at keeping his job was to really show development in young guys who were struggling. Quincy Wilson would've been the perfect candidate, a DB (Pagano's specialty) who was struggling in practice, something Ballard no doubt would notice as he even talked at length about watching Chiefs' rookies practice for the first time. Then again it could be argued that he has helped with Hairston's transition. 

[NewColtsFan]

3 hours ago, Valpo2004 said:

 

I was thinking that myself.  That blizzard probably made every DB on the field look good.  

 

Not to mention Buffalo's QB isn't good in good or bad weather. 

 

For whatever it's worth....

 

Within football circles, the rule of thumb regarding terrible weather is that it favors the offense over the defense?

 

Why?

 

Because with bad footing,  the offense is going forward and the players know where they want to go.

 

The defense is going backwards first,  and doesn't know where the offensive players are going and have to react.   And reacting on a slippery field is a nightmare.        

 

So, I don't think you can say the bad weather made DB's look good.     

 

[Fisticuffs111]

4 minutes ago, NewColtsFan said:

 

For whatever it's worth....

 

Within football circles, the rule of thumb regarding terrible weather is that it favors the offense over the defense?

 

Why?

 

Because with bad footing,  the offense is going forward and the players know where they want to go.

 

The defense is going backwards first,  and doesn't know where the offensive players are going and have to react.   And reacting on a slippery field is a nightmare.        

 

So, I don't think you can say the bad weather made DB's look good.     

 

Yup, I'd say DB's probably have it the toughest out of any position in the snow (no fun for kickers either). Their position hinges so much on reacting, cutting.

[richard pallo]

3 minutes ago, Fisticuffs111 said:

Count me as somebody who thinks Pagano/Ted are just playing guys who he thinks can help win. The only time I've ever considered him possibly playing favorites is when it comes to Green, mostly since it's been rumored that Chuck was infatuated with him even before the draft.

It is interesting that he's been so adamant about keeping Wilson off the field though. Ever since Ballard talked about our young players' development and that being key for our coaching staff, I thought his best bet at keeping his job was to really show development in guys who were struggling. Quincy Wilson would've been the perfect candidate, a DB (Pagano's specialty) who was struggling in practice, something Ballard no doubt would notice as he even talked at length about watching Chiefs' rookies practice for the first time. Then again it could be argued that he has helped with Hairston's transition. 

Wilson is a very young player who has suddenly found himself up against some very good players.  He is quickly learning, I hope, that you have to earn your playing time in this league.  Hopefully he accepts the competition and gets his act together.  All the coaching in the world isn't going to help a player who doesn't want to help himself.  Come on Quincy pick yourself up and get after it.  

[aaron11]

16 minutes ago, NewColtsFan said:

 

For whatever it's worth....

 

Within football circles, the rule of thumb regarding terrible weather is that it favors the offense over the defense?

 

Why?

 

Because with bad footing,  the offense is going forward and the players know where they want to go.

 

The defense is going backwards first,  and doesn't know where the offensive players are going and have to react.   And reacting on a slippery field is a nightmare.        

 

So, I don't think you can say the bad weather made DB's look good.     

 

but then why were hardly any points scored?

 

id think it favors the defense more, we had a 7-7 game at the end of regulation 

[Fisticuffs111]

25 minutes ago, richard pallo said:

Wilson is a very young player who has suddenly found himself up against some very good players.  He is quickly learning, I hope, that you have to earn your playing time in this league.  Hopefully he accepts the competition and gets his act together.  All the coaching in the world isn't going to help a player who doesn't want to help himself.  Come on Quincy pick yourself up and get after it.  

Yeah, I remember thinking that he would struggle coming into the league particularly because he was such a physical CB in college. And yeah, it's crazy that he's only 21, so young for the NFL. And CB is IMO one of the hardest positions in the league.

It's a relief that he'll have a few more years of experience in the league and only be 25.

[NewColtsFan]

1 hour ago, aaron11 said:

but then why were hardly any points scored?

 

id think it favors the defense more, we had a 7-7 game at the end of regulation 

 

The bad weather holds down the offense.    Honestly, the bad weather hurts everyone.     We're speaking in relative terms.      I think we'd all agree that without the bad weather both sides would've scored more.

 

But football people believe weather as bad as what we had Sunday hurts the defense more for the reasons stated above....

 

[IinD]

Won't panic until the second half of next season.

 

I knew he was young, but he wasn't even 21 when training camp started.

 

That's baby young in the nfl. He's got the intangibles thing pundits always talk about. Can't teach his size and strength.

 

I'd say it's a mix of growing pains and he definitely had the knee thing early in the season.

 

If he can play the rest of the year, regardless if it's because of injuries or not, it's something we can build on. 

I'd be a lot more concerned if he was a healthy scratch every week with the injuries we've had.

 

I'm hopeful for Quincy. 

[chad72]

22 minutes ago, IinD said:

Won't panic until the second half of next season.

 

I knew he was young, but he wasn't even 21 when training camp started.

 

That's baby young in the nfl. He's got the intangibles thing pundits always talk about. Can't teach his size and strength.

 

I'd say it's a mix of growing pains and he definitely had the knee thing early in the season.

 

If he can play the rest of the year, regardless if it's because of injuries or not, it's something we can build on. 

I'd be a lot more concerned if he was a healthy scratch every week with the injuries we've had.

 

I'm hopeful for Quincy. 

 

I am hopeful he shuts down DeMaryius Thomas the same way, DT has issues with physical big CBs that can keep up. The one I am most concerned about would be Sanders in this Broncos game, he is the kind who will give us fits.

[IinD]

5 minutes ago, chad72 said:

 

I am hopeful he shuts down DeMaryius Thomas the same way, DT has issues with physical big CBs that can keep up. The one I am most concerned about would be Sanders in this Broncos game, he is the kind who will give us fits.

Agreed. If he can play well against a 'name' guy or two I'd definitely be hopeful heading into 18'.