A random question

[Trace Pyott]

This is kind of a silly question and I'm not sure if this is the right place to ask it but anyways with our quarterbacks always getting hammered because of the o line I was wondering is there a certain distance that qb has to be from the center in order for the ball to be snapped?  I was just wondering if our qb move back 2 or 3 yards bAck from where he gets it in shotgun that might give him half a second longer to throw the ball lol.  I mean it's not much further than where he would throw it if he was in shotgun and did a 5 step drop. I'm sure they do what they do for a reason I was just wondering if there was a rule in place. Also, is there a rule saying how many receivers a play can have at one time going out for a pass?  Like could a team take out a linemen and put an extra receiver on the field?

[csmopar]

4 minutes ago, Trace Pyott said:

This is kind of a silly question and I'm not sure if this is the right place to ask it but anyways with our quarterbacks always getting hammered because of the o line I was wondering is there a certain distance that qb has to be from the center in order for the ball to be snapped?  I was just wondering if our qb move back 2 or 3 yards bAck from where he gets it in shotgun that might give him half a second longer to throw the ball lol.  I mean it's not much further than where he would throw it if he was in shotgun and did a 5 step drop. I'm sure they do what they do for a reason I was just wondering if there was a rule in place. Also, is there a rule saying how many receivers a play can have at one time going out for a pass?  Like could a team take out a linemen and put an extra receiver on the field?

it'll vary depending on formations. and yes, they can run an extra WR or two as they want, but its normally taking either a TE or a RB out of the formation, or using them as the extra WR.  You dont want to take a lineman out..... EVER. 

[WERC82]

a consistently reliable running game that averaged 4+ a carry would fix the issue. We need guards and 5 lineman that start next to each other every week. 89 different OL combos since Luck came, not counting this year.

[Trace Pyott]

So can the qb line up as far back as he wanted?  So theoretically can he line up 15 yards behind the center?

[ColtsBlitz]

5 minutes ago, Trace Pyott said:

So can the qb line up as far back as he wanted?  So theoretically can he line up 15 yards behind the center?

Yes, but then the edge rushers can just run right past the oline. 

[RollerColt]

5 minutes ago, Trace Pyott said:

So can the qb line up as far back as he wanted?  So theoretically can he line up 15 yards behind the center?

They could, but then fast cornerbacks could blitz past our ends and sack our QBs in open space. That's why the pocket is generally better. Plus the closer to the line of scrimmage the shorter the passes are meaning a better chance of accuracy.

[DaveA1102]

1 minute ago, ColtsBlitz said:

Yes, but then the edge rushers can just run right past the oline. 

 

Would also mean replacing Ryan Kelly with a long snapper.

[P Son]

2 hours ago, WERC82 said:

a consistently reliable running game that averaged 4+ a carry would fix the issue. We need guards and 5 lineman that start next to each other every week. 89 different OL combos since Luck came, not counting this year.

I agree.  If we ran better (and mixed in some passes on 1st and 2nd down) or pass prtection woes would be minimized.

Go Colts!

[coltsva]

2 hours ago, Trace Pyott said:

So can the qb line up as far back as he wanted?  So theoretically can he line up 15 yards behind the center?

Please don’t give Pagano and his staff any more trick play ideas. 

[aaron11]

3 hours ago, Trace Pyott said:

Also, is there a rule saying how many receivers a play can have at one time going out for a pass?  

yes there is a rule and it is no more than 5 receivers.  it counts for running backs, tight ends and WRs combined  

 

you can have an oline be a receiver but then he will count as one of the 5 and somebody else has to stay in and block 

[lollygagger8]

I want some more bootlegs and QB rollouts. Jacoby throws pretty darn well on the run. 

 

Also, MORE PLAY ACTION, screens, and quick throws/slants. Help the dude out by getting the ball out quicker. 

 

None of this seems like rocket science, but apparently is to the ones calling plays. 

[Trace Pyott]

I had to lol at the guy who said please don't give this staff any more bad ideas hahahah.  Thanks for answering my questions guys. I've always wondered about little rules in sports many people don't think of.  I've always wondered in baseball if there is a league mandate that fields have to be a certain length?  Like could a decent hitting team make their field 350 feet to center field or something silly like that to allow more hr and maybe bring in more fans because their players put up ungodly numbers? Or it could go the opposite direction. Could a good pitching team make the field 480feet to the center field wall?  ,

[ProblChld32]

5 hours ago, Trace Pyott said:

This is kind of a silly question and I'm not sure if this is the right place to ask it but anyways with our quarterbacks always getting hammered because of the o line I was wondering is there a certain distance that qb has to be from the center in order for the ball to be snapped?  I was just wondering if our qb move back 2 or 3 yards bAck from where he gets it in shotgun that might give him half a second longer to throw the ball lol.  I mean it's not much further than where he would throw it if he was in shotgun and did a 5 step drop. I'm sure they do what they do for a reason I was just wondering if there was a rule in place. Also, is there a rule saying how many receivers a play can have at one time going out for a pass?  Like could a team take out a linemen and put an extra receiver on the field?

 

If he moves back further it takes a longer time for the ball to get into his hands, you kinda want to get him the ball sooner so he can make reads and go through his progressions quicker.

[throwing BBZ]

2 hours ago, lollygagger8 said:

I want some more bootlegs and QB rollouts. Jacoby throws pretty darn well on the run. 

 

Also, MORE PLAY ACTION, screens, and quick throws/slants. Help the dude out by getting the ball out quicker. 

 

None of this seems like rocket science, but apparently is to the ones calling plays. 

 

 No, and it isn't rocket science knowing why they don't call those plays.

 

[Valpo2004]

6 hours ago, Trace Pyott said:

This is kind of a silly question and I'm not sure if this is the right place to ask it but anyways with our quarterbacks always getting hammered because of the o line I was wondering is there a certain distance that qb has to be from the center in order for the ball to be snapped?  I was just wondering if our qb move back 2 or 3 yards bAck from where he gets it in shotgun that might give him half a second longer to throw the ball lol.  I mean it's not much further than where he would throw it if he was in shotgun and did a 5 step drop. I'm sure they do what they do for a reason I was just wondering if there was a rule in place. Also, is there a rule saying how many receivers a play can have at one time going out for a pass?  Like could a team take out a linemen and put an extra receiver on the field?

 

He could line up further back but that would actually help the opposing team.  

 

The idea here is that you want to be far enough back that the guards and center can give a little bit of ground but not so far back that the edge rushers have nearly a straight line path to you.  

 

In order to sack you they have to curve around the tackles.  If the tackles can follow them and keep themselves between the rusher and the QB then they are ok.  The further back the QB lines up the less curve they need to take which makes it harder on the tackles.  Punters line up much further back then QB's and look how quickly a lot of players get close to them.  Only reason more punts arn't blocked is that they don't hold the ball as long as a QB they just catch it and punt it.  No looking down field for an open man.  

 

If you've ever heard a play by play guy say that such and such QB is "stepping up into the pocket" he's referring to a QB taking one or 2 steps forward to help their tackles stay between the rusher and the QB.  

 

Anyways lining up further back isn't going to help Brissett get more time.  It will actually give him less time.  

[Trace Pyott]

24 minutes ago, Valpo2004 said:

 

He could line up further back but that would actually help the opposing team.  

 

The idea here is that you want to be far enough back that the guards and center can give a little bit of ground but not so far back that the edge rushers have nearly a straight line path to you.  

 

In order to sack you they have to curve around the tackles.  If the tackles can follow them and keep themselves between the rusher and the QB then they are ok.  The further back the QB lines up the less curve they need to take which makes it harder on the tackles.  Punters line up much further back then QB's and look how quickly a lot of players get close to them.  Only reason more punts arn't blocked is that they don't hold the ball as long as a QB they just catch it and punt it.  No looking down field for an open man.  

 

If you've ever heard a play by play guy say that such and such QB is "stepping up into the pocket" he's referring to a QB taking one or 2 steps forward to help their tackles stay between the rusher and the QB.  

 

Anyways lining up further back isn't going to help Brissett get more time.  It will actually give him less time.  

 

 

Thanks a lot for explaining that to me. It totally makes sense. I never thought about it that way. 

[Valpo2004]

29 minutes ago, Trace Pyott said:

 

 

Thanks a lot for explaining that to me. It totally makes sense. I never thought about it that way. 

 

Yeah our problem is that the tackles can't always stay between the rusher and the QB for very long.  

 

There are only a few things you can do about that.  One is to throw short quick routes, give help, or to roll the QB out.  

 

Short quick routes bring more players into the box and can open up the receiver to punishing hits.  

 

Help either takes up an eligible receiver or if you chip slows down their route significantly.  On top of that if they stay back to help the entire time the player who was assigned coverage on them can then feel free to blitz.  

 

Rolling the QB out has the problem of shutting off half the field because throws across the body are usually inaccurate and are extremely risky.

 

 

[JaguarsWoman]

This is ironic Peyton Manning was a shotgun specialist and you guys want the QB to take most snaps under center? It is totally different with Jacoby Brissett, but you have seen the advantages of a QB lining up in the shotgun.

[Wes Heilman]

21 hours ago, JaguarsWoman said:

This is ironic Peyton Manning was a shotgun specialist and you guys want the QB to take most snaps under center? It is totally different with Jacoby Brissett, but you have seen the advantages of a QB lining up in the shotgun.

 

Manning was a shotgun specialist, but he was so in tune with his receivers that if you blitzed him he had open receivers right behind you. They all knew what to do if they saw a blitz coming, and the players and the organization had no patience for a receiver who didn't.

 

You can keep a team from blitzing by having a running game or the Manning short pass erzatz running game that forces teams to play honest defense.

[DaColts85]

19 hours ago, Wes Heilman said:

 

Manning was a shotgun specialist, but he was so in tune with his receivers that if you blitzed him he had open receivers right behind you. They all knew what to do if they saw a blitz coming, and the players and the organization had no patience for a receiver who didn't.

 

You can keep a team from blitzing by having a running game or the Manning short pass erzatz running game that forces teams to play honest defense.

And Manning constantly worked with his WR's.  After practice and everything.  This is why I hated TY during his interview when he said an off day is an off day.  Shows little class to me.  During the Manning days, Weezy and Harrison, let alone all the other guys had no choice but to constantly work until it was perfection.  

[aaron11]

On 11/15/2017 at 4:41 PM, JaguarsWoman said:

This is ironic Peyton Manning was a shotgun specialist and you guys want the QB to take most snaps under center? It is totally different with Jacoby Brissett, but you have seen the advantages of a QB lining up in the shotgun.

i like under center because its less predictable and keeps the defense guessing more

 

plus it can be hard for them to see the ball under center too

[DaColts85]

On 11/15/2017 at 4:41 PM, JaguarsWoman said:

This is ironic Peyton Manning was a shotgun specialist and you guys want the QB to take most snaps under center? It is totally different with Jacoby Brissett, but you have seen the advantages of a QB lining up in the shotgun.

What is ironic is your comment...Peyton Manning had some of the best play action passes while starting under the center.  This is the key to play action, making it actually look like a run play.

[Wes Heilman]

2 hours ago, DaColts85 said:

And Manning constantly worked with his WR's.  After practice and everything.  This is why I hated TY during his interview when he said an off day is an off day.  Shows little class to me.  During the Manning days, Weezy and Harrison, let alone all the other guys had no choice but to constantly work until it was perfection.  

All about expectations. Manning expected the rest of the team to do their jobs precisely. You can't play at the highest level wondering if your receivers are going to run the route right, if your linemen are going to block right or the running back is going to pick up the blitzer. You have to expect them to do their jobs and coaches have to hold them to it.

[DaColts85]

11 minutes ago, Wes Heilman said:

All about expectations. Manning expected the rest of the team to do their jobs precisely. You can't play at the highest level wondering if your receivers are going to run the route right, if your linemen are going to block right or the running back is going to pick up the blitzer. You have to expect them to do their jobs and coaches have to hold them to it.

Completely agree and wish we could bring that thought back into the locker room.