RIP Y. A. Tittle

[PrincetonTiger]

The legendary NFL QB has died at 90

[ColtsBlitz]

Too young to remember him, but I know he set some records in his day. God bless his family and be with them through this rough time. Never easy losing a loved one. 

[King Colt]

Just remember how brutal football was back then yet he lived to be 90! One tough hombre.

[BloodyChamp]

Dang! Y.A Tittle was my favorite football player that I'd only read about. Anybody who doesn't know the story behind that picture should look it up. It's considered by many to be the the most iconic picture in football, or even if sports.

[King Colt]

1 hour ago, BloodyChamp said:

Dang! Y.A Tittle was my favorite football player that I'd only read about. Anybody who doesn't know the story behind that picture should look it up. It's considered by many to be the the most iconic picture in football, or even if sports.

All I recall is it was after a hit by someone on the Steelers. No helmet cage in those days folks.

[BloodyChamp]

It was from his last season after the last game that the Giants posed as a threat. That season was supposed to be his ride off into the sunset with a trophy in hand. Instead that was the image his last season is remembered by, over no fault of his own besides his age. It was 1 of the first examples of the game not sparing an old player a single inch no matter how many people love him.

[dgambill]

On ‎10‎/‎9‎/‎2017 at 3:16 PM, King Colt said:

Just remember how brutal football was back then yet he lived to be 90! One tough hombre.

Wonder if he will be tested for CTE. I mean like 99% of football players that die have it according to the studies. Oh wait, he lived to 90...we won't factor him or any other players that make it to normal life expectancy.

[crazycolt1]

1 hour ago, dgambill said:

Wonder if he will be tested for CTE. I mean like 99% of football players that die have it according to the studies. Oh wait, he lived to 90...we won't factor him or any other players that make it to normal life expectancy.

How do we know what kind of life he had after football till 90? Living till 90 does not mean he had a fully functional life. Lots of people live to ripe old ages but don't even know who they are.

[HarryTheCat]

He came to an elementary school PTA function when I was a kid and he was playing for the 49ers. He autographed a picture for me, which I lost somewhere along the way. I met him again, years later at a Chinese restaurant in Palo Alto, after he retired and was selling insurance. Nice guy.

[2006Coltsbestever]

RIP, not many football players live to be 90, looks like he lived a nice long life.

[King Colt]

15 hours ago, crazycolt1 said:

How do we know what kind of life he had after football till 90? Living till 90 does not mean he had a fully functional life. Lots of people live to ripe old ages but don't even know who they are.

Perhaps he was fully functional with no signs of brain issues.

[King Colt]

12 hours ago, HarryTheCat said:

He came to an elementary school PTA function when I was a kid and he was playing for the 49ers. He autographed a picture for me, which I lost somewhere along the way. I met him again, years later at a Chinese restaurant in Palo Alto, after he retired and was selling insurance. Nice guy.

I wonder what the pensions looked like back then.

[crazycolt1]

1 hour ago, King Colt said:

Perhaps he was fully functional with no signs of brain issues.

Matter of fact he died with severe dementia. His 64 year old daughter had to take care of him.

[dgambill]

43 minutes ago, crazycolt1 said:

Matter of fact he died with severe dementia. His 64 year old daughter had to take care of him.

And yet many people that die in their 90s die of dementia with no link to concussions in their history. Not saying CTE is not a real thing...but I feel like the fact that they try to make it like its almost a certainty these concussions are causing it and not looking at the fact that in the US we have a huge amount of depression and brain disorders before we even bring in this concusion thing...its not unrealistic that a lot of these players were predisposed to some of these brain issues before being exposed to concussions. Just a lot of money in the business....so there is a lot of incentive for those working to prove CTE link to keep these jobs and money alive. Its like if you even raise any small questions around it..they act like you don't believe in science or you think the world is flat too. All I'm saying is right now its still people trying to prove their hypothesis but they are acting like its already a given and working backwards.

 

That all said I want to protect the players and keep the sport alive...but I just think the link is not so cut and dry.

[crazycolt1]

33 minutes ago, dgambill said:

And yet many people that die in their 90s die of dementia with no link to concussions in their history. Not saying CTE is not a real thing...but I feel like the fact that they try to make it like its almost a certainty these concussions are causing it and not looking at the fact that in the US we have a huge amount of depression and brain disorders before we even bring in this concusion thing...its not unrealistic that a lot of these players were predisposed to some of these brain issues before being exposed to concussions. Just a lot of money in the business....so there is a lot of incentive for those working to prove CTE link to keep these jobs and money alive. Its like if you even raise any small questions around it..they act like you don't believe in science or you think the world is flat too. All I'm saying is right now its still people trying to prove their hypothesis but they are acting like its already a given and working backwards.

 

That all said I want to protect the players and keep the sport alive...but I just think the link is not so cut and dry.

It has already been established that when you receive repetitive blows to your head there is an increase in brain trama  and CTE. That is not coming from anyone looking to make money off the issue.

There is nothing to prove, it's already been established. It is not a hypothesis, it has been proven.

Why you refuse to accept the truth I have no clue.

[dgambill]

33 minutes ago, crazycolt1 said:

It has already been established that when you receive repetitive blows to your head there is an increase in brain trama  and CTE. That is not coming from anyone looking to make money off the issue.

There is nothing to prove, it's already been established. It is not a hypothesis, it has been proven.

Why you refuse to accept the truth I have no clue.

Just like its already been "proved" that global warming is the direct result of human influences. Sure...there's a result and a correlation...but what percentage and to what effect....100%?? That and this is open to much debate and scrutiny from scientist much more knowledgable then myself or probably most on this board. There is a lot of money put into the study and pushing agendas...and sometimes they let their agenda and the money drive their hypothesis and studies instead of just letting the science lead these investigations etc. They throw out or ignore things that don't fit what they are trying to prove. I do feel that they ignore evidence to the contrary and aren't open minded at times and let the evidence lead them in their journey. I don't just let some studies stand as fact..I try to be objective and look at all evidence and there is plenty on the other side that say the numbers are skewed because of how the studies are being run. So...I'm just saying I'm remaining open minded until I have enough evidence to make me feel comfortable with the narrative. Until then I recognize the evidence for what it is but I am not going to come to a conclusion. I'm just not satisfied with the way the studies have been done. Doesn't mean I think its all a hoax or anything..just I think what is being pushed out there is not the whole story...its one that benefits the one pushing it right now.

 

 Look not trying to derail thread or subject..and I won't respond because this isn't the place for that. From what it seemed he was a good man...and definitely a great player. Sad to see the game lose such a distinguished member.

[crazycolt1]

53 minutes ago, dgambill said:

Just like its already been "proved" that global warming is the direct result of human influences. Sure...there's a result and a correlation...but what percentage and to what effect....100%?? That and this is open to much debate and scrutiny from scientist much more knowledgable then myself or probably most on this board. There is a lot of money put into the study and pushing agendas...and sometimes they let their agenda and the money drive their hypothesis and studies instead of just letting the science lead these investigations etc. They throw out or ignore things that don't fit what they are trying to prove. I do feel that they ignore evidence to the contrary and aren't open minded at times and let the evidence lead them in their journey. I don't just let some studies stand as fact..I try to be objective and look at all evidence and there is plenty on the other side that say the numbers are skewed because of how the studies are being run. So...I'm just saying I'm remaining open minded until I have enough evidence to make me feel comfortable with the narrative. Until then I recognize the evidence for what it is but I am not going to come to a conclusion. I'm just not satisfied with the way the studies have been done. Doesn't mean I think its all a hoax or anything..just I think what is being pushed out there is not the whole story...its one that benefits the one pushing it right now.

 

 Look not trying to derail thread or subject..and I won't respond because this isn't the place for that. From what it seemed he was a good man...and definitely a great player. Sad to see the game lose such a distinguished member.

What I don't understand is your comment about coming to a conclusion when the evidence is there. I am not a specialist by no means but it stands to reason that the human body being put into unnatural blows to the head does have negative effects that include CTE. The human body was not designed to play football or take blows to the head.

 All the safety gear in the world will not stop the brain from being injured inside the skull.

CTE can't be diagnosed till after death but the percentage of positive results can't be dismissed because you want it tied to money.

[crazycolt1]

53 minutes ago, dgambill said:

Just like its already been "proved" that global warming is the direct result of human influences. Sure...there's a result and a correlation...but what percentage and to what effect....100%?? That and this is open to much debate and scrutiny from scientist much more knowledgable then myself or probably most on this board. There is a lot of money put into the study and pushing agendas...and sometimes they let their agenda and the money drive their hypothesis and studies instead of just letting the science lead these investigations etc. They throw out or ignore thin

[BloodyChamp]

When my Grandmother had to have her uterus removed, the doctor jokingly told her after the procedure that everything went perfectly but there was 1 problem...she can't have any more children. If certain members of this place were in that situation I swear they would take the doctor seriously.

[jvan1973]

On 10/12/2017 at 8:57 AM, crazycolt1 said:

Matter of fact he died with severe dementia. His 64 year old daughter had to take care of him.

My mother died with severe dementia as well.   She never played one down of football

[RockThatBlue]

18 minutes ago, jvan1973 said:

My mother died with severe dementia as well.   She never played one down of football

Yup, I had an uncle die of dementia a few years ago. Not only never played football but he never played any sport. And he got it in his 40s, not even old age. He had it only for about a year and it killed him.

[crazycolt1]

3 hours ago, jvan1973 said:

My mother died with severe dementia as well.   She never played one down of football

 

3 hours ago, RockThatBlue said:

Yup, I had an uncle die of dementia a few years ago. Not only never played football but he never played any sport. And he got it in his 40s, not even old age. He had it only for about a year and it killed him.

Yes that happens in everyday life but the percentage of those who took repeated blows to the head are greater. It is quite common in boxers also.

One example is Jerry Quarry. His had to be one of the saddest cases I can recall. (Of coarse not over looking death from a blow to the head.)

[NFLfan]

6 hours ago, jvan1973 said:

My mother died with severe dementia as well.   She never played one down of football

 

Sure, but that does not mean that playing football does not contribute to one of the causes of dementia (CTE). Repetitive blows to the head cause brain injury and lead to decline in cognitive functioning.

 

A higher than normal number of former football players in their 50s or younger appear to show clinical symptoms of dementia; the rates are much higher than those in the general population of the same age. Someone like your mother most likely was not showing clinical signs of dementia at 40 or 50. There are too many football players showing signs of dementia at 40 or earlier for there not to be some link. JMO

 

(Btw, I don't believe CTE is the cause of YA Tittle's dementia. He was over 90. Being older is the top risk factor for getting dementia.)

[HarryTheCat]

On 10/12/2017 at 6:41 AM, King Colt said:

I wonder what the pensions looked like back then.

They may have been "grandfathered" into the NFLPA pension plan, but salaries were pretty anemic back then too. A lot of players had to have off-season jobs just to survive. Although he was initially drafted by the Browns (AAFC back then) Tittle was traded before the season began -- to the Colts. Well, not exactly the same franchise we know as the Colts today, but their predecessor that went bankrupt. 

[crazycolt1]

5 hours ago, NFLfan said:

 

Sure, but that does not mean that playing football does not contribute to one of the causes of dementia (CTE). Repetitive blows to the head cause brain injury and lead to decline in cognitive functioning.

 

A higher than normal number of former football players in their 50s or younger appear to show clinical symptoms of dementia; the rates are much higher than those in the general population of the same age. Someone like your mother most likely was not showing clinical signs of dementia at 40 or 50. There are too many football players showing signs of dementia at 40 or earlier for there not to be some link. JMO

 

(Btw, I don't believe CTE is the cause of YA Tittle's dementia. He was over 90. Being older is the top risk factor for getting dementia.)

Without his brain being examined no one will know for sure one way or another.

 

[BloodyChamp]

You're not going to win anybody over on this brain damage thing when you start with a 90 year old man the *$@!

 

[crazycolt1]

3 hours ago, BloodyChamp said:

You're not going to win anybody over on this brain damage thing when you start with a 90 year old man the *$@!

 

If you are responding to me I am not trying to win nothing. What are you even talking about? Where did you even come up with that horse crap?

Beside what does 90 year old matter if he would have had CTE?  My comment was we wouldn't know without his brain being tested. I don't know what his timeline was as far as when and what age his dementia started and if CTE had anything to do with it. It was a general comment so there is no need to make it into something you make an issue over.

[oldunclemark]

Y.A. was one of the greatest of all time

I did not know he held the single season TD pass record before Marino and Brady and Peyton

[BloodyChamp]

You came up with the horse crap wth

[crazycolt1]

56 minutes ago, BloodyChamp said:

You came up with the horse crap wth

You read something into a general comment I made and put your own narrative to it. Thus making it horse crap.

[BloodyChamp]

Generally...

On 10/11/2017 at 4:13 PM, crazycolt1 said:

How do we know what kind of life he had after football till 90? Living till 90 does not mean he had a fully functional life. Lots of people live to ripe old ages but don't even know who they are.

 

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