The case for Jim Harbough

[NannyMcafee]

https://youtu.be/MtfF_hUDHyA

 

i can't say I disagree with the logic. 

[crazycolt1]

Jim Harbaugh is a college football coach, not an NFL coach.

[crazycolt1]

14 minutes ago, NannyMcafee said:

https://youtu.be/MtfF_hUDHyA

 

i can't say I disagree with the logic. 

It would be real illogical for Harbaugh to leave Michigan.

[NewColtsFan]

57 minutes ago, crazycolt1 said:

Jim Harbaugh is a college football coach, not an NFL coach.

 

This isn't the first time you've made this claim,  and I have no idea why you do?

 

Harbaugh was a huge success in SF.     Double digit wins in 3 of his 4 seasoon.    Went to the NFC championship game three straight years,   and one year,  went to the Super Bowl where he was 5 yards away from winning the game.

 

His one down year,   his one year where things fells apart,   the 49ers went 8-8.       Sound familiar?  

 

Where is the record that says he's not an NFL coach?

 

Yes, players get tired of him in the NFL,   but they do in college too.    But they leaave in college after 4-5 years,  so Harbaugh is somewhat protected in that environment.      But sooner or later,  he has worn out his welcome at every stop he's ever made,   and reportedly I've seen stories saying he's beginning to do that in Michigan.    

 

I'm not predicting he'll leave Michigan this off-season.     But I wouldn't be surprised if he leaves there in 4-5 more years.      And if our next HC isn't very good,   THEN Harbaugh might be the right coach at that point.      Maybe.

 

[crazycolt1]

1 hour ago, NewColtsFan said:

 

This isn't the first time you've made this claim,  and I have no idea why you do?

 

Harbaugh was a huge success in SF.     Double digit wins in 3 of his 4 seasoon.    Went to the NFC championship game three straight years,   and one year,  went to the Super Bowl where he was 5 yards away from winning the game.

 

His one down year,   his one year where things fells apart,   the 49ers went 8-8.       Sound familiar?  

 

Where is the record that says he's not an NFL coach?

 

Yes, players get tired of him in the NFL,   but they do in college too.    But they leaave in college after 4-5 years,  so Harbaugh is somewhat protected in that environment.      But sooner or later,  he has worn out his welcome at every stop he's ever made,   and reportedly I've seen stories saying he's beginning to do that in Michigan.    

 

I'm not predicting he'll leave Michigan this off-season.     But I wouldn't be surprised if he leaves there in 4-5 more years.      And if our next HC isn't very good,   THEN Harbaugh might be the right coach at that point.      Maybe.

 

I don't think Jim would want to take a position where he is not in charge of everything. We know that wouldn't happen here in Indy.

 It seems apparent he has a problem with having someone over him is the reason he wears his welcome out. As far as him having a problem at Michigan if he continues to win IMO they wouldn't replace him.

It was reported he treated his pro players like college players with some stuff you hear happens at the college level. Pro players are grown men and do not respond well not being treated as such.

I understand his level of the love and respect he receives here in Indy but IMO it just wouldn't work out any better than it did in Frisco.

Is that subject to change? Of coarse it is.

 

[NewColtsFan]

1 hour ago, crazycolt1 said:

I don't think Jim would want to take a position where he is not in charge of everything. We know that wouldn't happen here in Indy.

 It seems apparent he has a problem with having someone over him is the reason he wears his welcome out. As far as him having a problem at Michigan if he continues to win IMO they wouldn't replace him.

It was reported he treated his pro players like college players with some stuff you hear happens at the college level. Pro players are grown men and do not respond well not being treated as such.

I understand his level of the love and respect he receives here in Indy but IMO it just wouldn't work out any better than it did in Frisco.

Is that subject to change? Of coarse it is.

 

 

Your arguments are interesting,  but I would say they don't add up to Harbaugh not being a good NFL coach.

 

But it might add up to Harbaugh not being a good coach for Indy.     Not if he didn't want to be under Ballard.

 

Harbaugh might want a situation like Carroll in Seattle or what his brother John has in Baltimore.     Where your under a GM you either picked,  or is so good at his job,  that you'd be OK answering to him.

 

If Harbaugh wanted his own GM here in Indy,  and it would mean firing Ballard,  that likely wouldn't work for Irsay if Ballard keeps doing a good job.     But if Ballard flames out as Grigson did,  then Irsay might consider letting Harbaugh pick his own GM.     Might.     I wouldn't predict that,  but I wouldn't rule it out.

 

Anyway,   it's early in the Ballard years,  so I'm not expecting him to get shoved out the door quickly.    I think he's off to a good start that Irsay will support.      

 

I'm very curious which names will surface this winter?     A lot could happen between now and January......

 

 

[DaColts85]

I will say that Harbaugh is unlikely to leave Michigan within the time period to become our coach.  After Pagano is gone I am hoping his replacement remains here for a while obviously...optimistic!  As stated above, we just hired a new GM and IMO Harbaugh will come back to the NFL to either work under a GM that allows for Harbaugh to have a lot of say or go to a team that allows him to be similar to BB in NE.  Letting him be the main voice on all decisions.

 

I can see Jim heading back to the NFL within the next 5 years though, mainly because he had success but did not win the big game.  He was beat by his brother and that has to leave a bitter taste in his mouth and a drive to compete against John again. 

[Valpo2004]

I don't think Jim is coming back to the NFL.

 

As far as I can tell his time in the NFL soured his taste to it and he immediately took the Michigan job.  

 

The guy could have easily waited on an NFL job.  He would have gotten one right away.  

 

To me the taking of the Michigan job signals either

A: It's his dream job.  Which means he's not likely to leave.  

B: After doing both he prefers college coaching.  

 

And given his experience I can see why he might prefer college coaching.

 

Here is a dose of reality.  Harbaugh got fired because the owner of the 49'ers didn't like him.  He was doing his job, he was winning games.  He was #5 all time in win% for NFL coaches who've coached more then 50 games.  

 

On the hand on a college campus, even if the AD technically outranks a college football coach. . . MORALLY SPEAKING a winning college football coach outranks everyone else.  

 

If Harbaugh keeps winning Michigan will fire it's AD long before they fire their prize head coach.  

 

Heck they will fire the university president before they fire their prize head coach.  

 

If he keeps winning he doesn't have to make ANYONE there like him personally.  

 

A big program like Michigan pays it's coaches just as much as NFL teams, has a fan base that is as big as many NFL teams, has a bigger stadium then all NFL teams, has probably at least similar facilities to NFL teams.  

 

Being head coach of a big time college football team and being head coach of an NFL team is a lateral move.  On top of that college football coaches are in control of nearly everything (He recruits his own guys, no GM's to worry about.)  

[AustexColt]

IF JIM GETS ON BOARD .... WE WILL GET TO THE PROMISE LAND. HE TAKES NO PRISONERS: PLAYERS OR COACHES. I CAN SEE HIM WORKING WELL WITH BALLARD. 

 

I JUST DON'T THINK HE WILL COACH THE COLTS BECAUSE OF IRSAY. 

[pgt_rob]

22 minutes ago, AustexColt said:

IF JIM GETS ON BOARD .... WE WILL GET TO THE PROMISE LAND. HE TAKES NO PRISONERS: PLAYERS OR COACHES. I CAN SEE HIM WORKING WELL WITH BALLARD. 

 

I JUST DON'T THINK HE WILL COACH THE COLTS BECAUSE OF IRSAY. 

 

No need to yell. lol I'm not sure where your last sentence comes from. Why do you say that?

[GwinnettColt]

He did well in SF and took the team to the SB and he already has developed a professional relationship with Luck.   He could really develop the talent that we already have here, while drafting and signing more talent along the way.  

 

I find his antics  bit funny but I think he'd do ok here.  

 

I'm not sure he'd want to leave Michigan.  

[aReggie7]

I'd love to see Harbaugh become the Colts head coach after this season. While I think he will come back to the NFL at some point i'm not sure it will be for next season. I haven't read anything to make me believe that Harbaugh will look to leave Michigan after this season. Michigan certainly isn't going to look to fire him either.

 

I do think Jim Irsay will want a head coach with a proven track record. I still think Jon Gruden or Sean Payton (he might get fired after this season) are more likely than Jim Harbaugh.

[jameszeigler834]

On ‎9‎/‎21‎/‎2017 at 9:29 PM, NewColtsFan said:

 

This isn't the first time you've made this claim,  and I have no idea why you do?

 

Harbaugh was a huge success in SF.     Double digit wins in 3 of his 4 seasoon.    Went to the NFC championship game three straight years,   and one year,  went to the Super Bowl where he was 5 yards away from winning the game.

 

His one down year,   his one year where things fells apart,   the 49ers went 8-8.       Sound familiar?  

 

Where is the record that says he's not an NFL coach?

 

Yes, players get tired of him in the NFL,   but they do in college too.    But they leaave in college after 4-5 years,  so Harbaugh is somewhat protected in that environment.      But sooner or later,  he has worn out his welcome at every stop he's ever made,   and reportedly I've seen stories saying he's beginning to do that in Michigan.    

 

I'm not predicting he'll leave Michigan this off-season.     But I wouldn't be surprised if he leaves there in 4-5 more years.      And if our next HC isn't very good,   THEN Harbaugh might be the right coach at that point.      Maybe.

 

Yes Harbaugh can get annoying for players but that doesn't change the fact that he is a great coach.

[2006Coltsbestever]

1 minute ago, jameszeigler834 said:

Yes Harbaugh can get annoying for players but that doesn't change the fact that he is a great coach.

If Harbaugh was named our next Coach I would get celebrate like we won the SB. Let the games begin then.

[Dark Superman]

Wouldn't Harbaugh want full control of this team? Would he and Chris Ballard be able to work together?

[2006Coltsbestever]

Just now, Blue Shoe Savior 12 said:

Wouldn't Harbaugh want full control of this team? Would he and Chris Ballard be able to work together?

I don't know that is a great question. Maybe, maybe not

[Dark Superman]

Ballard is the one who decides our next HC.

I believe he would allow Harbaugh to the team the way he wants, but when it comes to picking and choosing who we draft, sign or release.. They may not always see eye to eye, which could cause animosity between the two.

[2006Coltsbestever]

1 minute ago, Blue Shoe Savior 12 said:

Ballard is the one who decides our next HC.

I believe he would allow Harbaugh to the team the way he wants, but when it comes to picking and choosing who we draft, sign or release.. They may not always see eye to eye, which could cause animosity between the two.

Could be but Harbaugh knowing he has Luck again may be enough to bring him to Indy. Harbaugh also has ties here. I still have my autographed 1995 picture of him framed. Will always keep it, our first Final 4. My mom even loved him  She got into Football during that payoff run.

[2006Coltsbestever]

This is how much faith I have in Harbaugh, I guarantee if he Coaches us with a healthy Luck we win a SB.

[NewColtsFan]

1 hour ago, jameszeigler834 said:

Yes Harbaugh can get annoying for players but that doesn't change the fact that he is a great coach.

 

Yup...   no argument from me.    Not sure you want him for 10 years,  but if you think you have a 3-5 year window,  JIM Harbaugh is your guy.   

 

I like John too.    But he just signed an extension with Baltimore.    

 

The Harbaughs understand coaching.  

 

[Dark Superman]

You never really know with someone like Harbaugh.

He would be loved here in Indianapolis, and I know if Irsay wanted him back enough, he would pay top dollar for the guy.

He already has a team with a young stud QB that he's already coached at Stanford. This team has some nice pieces, but they need someone like Harbaugh who can bring the best out of his players. Plus, the guy actually shows emotion on the sidelines, something Pagano lacks.

But we will need a lot of Luck for this to happen obviously.

 

[Dark Superman]

12 hours ago, NewColtsFan said:

 

Yup...   no argument from me.    Not sure you want him for 10 years,  but if you think you have a 3-5 year window,  JIM Harbaugh is your guy.   

 

I like John too.    But he just signed an extension with Baltimore.    

 

The Harbaughs understand coaching.  

 

I wish we had Jim as our HC and John as our DC.

Welcome to Harbaugh City.

[Dark Superman]

13 hours ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

I don't know that is a great question. Maybe, maybe not

That's something to think about. Plus, Harbaugh would need to leave Michigan and want to come here. He will also need Jim Irsay to open up his wallet, as well as allow him to run the show.

I guess only time will tell.

[Dark Superman]

Jim Harbaugh was the Colts QB when I first started watch Indianapolis back in 1994. He was one of the biggest influences towards me becoming a fan of the blue shoe. I love his passion for the game and his desire to win. I always wanted Manning and Harbaugh to return to Indy in some type of coaching or GM role. Andrew Luck needs the 'Comeback Kid' to be his guiding light.

[Dark Superman]

Does Luck really dislike Harbaugh?

[ColtsBlueFL]

On 9/22/2017 at 2:44 PM, AustexColt said:

IF JIM GETS ON BOARD .... WE WILL GET TO THE PROMISE LAND. HE TAKES NO PRISONERS: PLAYERS OR COACHES. I CAN SEE HIM WORKING WELL WITH BALLARD. 

 

I JUST DON'T THINK HE WILL COACH THE COLTS BECAUSE OF IRSAY. 

 

 

 

[NewColtsFan]

On 9/25/2017 at 6:30 AM, Blue Shoe Savior 12 said:

Does Luck really dislike Harbaugh?

 

 

I wouldn't say Luck dislikes him (though I don't know for sure)  but I'd say Luck knows Harbaugh's strengths and his weaknesses/limitations and knows that things with Harbaugh can get very, very complicated very quickly.....

 

By the time Harbaugh left Stanford for the 49ers,  there were NOT a lot of people who were sad to see him go.

 

Harbaugh's wares out his welcome everywhere he goes pretty quickly.      It will take longer at Michigan,  but sooner or later,  it will likely happen.