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Browns trying to trade Joe Haden??

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http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/browns-rumored-to-have-joe-haden-on-the-trade-block/ar-AAqWeHY?li=BBnba9I

 

If so I think this might be a good trade for the Colts presuming it doesn't cost too much.  Considering we have to take on most his contract I would say a 5th round pick would be fair.  If they want much more then that then forget it. 

 

Browns would have to pay his signing bonus which would leave the Cap hit to the Colts to be 11.2M with 4M in guaranteed salary for this year.

 

https://overthecap.com/player/joe-haden/284

 

With Davis hurt and our secondary weak even with him, it would improve our secondary quickly.  Haden can play in Davis's place if necessary or the two of them can play together.

 

After this year, Davis's contract expires, plus Haden would have no guaranteed money left on his contract and still be under contract for the next 2 years.  This gives us plenty of flexibility as the Colts will not be financially tied to either Davis or Haden beyond this year.  

 

And quite frankly I'm just not looking forward to watching Melvin play CB#1 for a good deal of time this year.  

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I could get on-board with that idea

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I'm good. Declining talent with a massive salary and we need all the draft picks we can get. Let Quincy and Hairston show what they have. We aren't in win now mode at the moment.

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5 minutes ago, Valpo2004 said:

http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/browns-rumored-to-have-joe-haden-on-the-trade-block/ar-AAqWeHY?li=BBnba9I

 

If so I think this might be a good trade for the Colts presuming it doesn't cost too much.  Considering we have to take on most his contract I would say a 5th round pick would be fair.  If they want much more then that then forget it. 

 

Browns would have to pay his signing bonus which would leave the Cap hit to the Colts to be 11.2M with 4M in guaranteed salary for this year.

 

https://overthecap.com/player/joe-haden/284

 

With Davis hurt and our secondary weak even with him, it would improve our secondary quickly.  Haden can play in Davis's place if necessary or the two of them can play together.

 

After this year, Davis's contract expires, plus Haden would have no guaranteed money left on his contract and still be under contract for the next 2 years.  This gives us plenty of flexibility as the Colts will not be financially tied to either Davis or Haden beyond this year.  

 

And quite frankly I'm just not looking forward to watching Melvin play CB#1 for a good deal of time this year.  

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I was wondering when this topic would pop up. No, don't want him. Browns want to get rid of his salary and won't get rid of him for cheap. Not to mention he's injured(only played 1 full season) and isn't very good anymore. He's paid like a top 10 CB but doesn't play like one. He's 28 as well. Hard pass.

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He's not good anymore. Looking at the roster I wouldn't get him; but if the team thinks they can compete when people get healthy, they may look at him. Would be ridiculously expensive though...

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Declining performance, nagging injury issues, and a big salary. I got excited when I heard they were shopping him, but as much as we need help at corner, I don't think this is the right move. If they'd give him up for a late conditional pick and pay part of his $11m salary, I'd consider it. 

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Just wait them out. Maybe they end up cutting him just to get him off the books...and then he would cost very little. 

 

But aside from Haden, there are going to be a handful of CBs available after cut downs I think. I would expect the Colts to sign at least two.

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If we were contenders and Haden was still good, sure. Sadly, neither is the case at this current juncture.

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A couple of years ago, been jumping up and down to trade for Haden, but wouldn't give up a draft pick for him higher than a 7th now. There are some veterans out there who can be signed to cover for a few weeks that won't cost us a draft pick and probably be just as good as Haden- Leodis McKelvin, Sam Sheilds (if he can play), Kyle Arrington, Kyle Wilson.

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It's an interesting idea, but I'm not sure we can afford it TBH.  

  

If Luck is going to be healthy most of the season, I'd push more for it. 

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Package Rogers and Aiken and trade for Haden and a 4th round pick.  Haden may be declining but in 13 games last year he still had more PDs and INTs than anyone on the Colts roster.  And it's not like the Colts are stacked at CB depth.

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I would rather go for TJ Ward. He is on the trade block according to rumors. I know we need a cb, but would anyone argue haden is better than ward?

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1 hour ago, DaColts85 said:

He has a 14mil cap hit...we only have like 16 left??

I was hearing we had like 21.6 million left I would try to restructure that contract though.

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5 minutes ago, life long said:

I would rather go for TJ Ward. He is on the trade block according to rumors. I know we need a cb, but would anyone argue haden is better than ward?

He was before he started getting concussions and other injuries.

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12 minutes ago, life long said:

I would rather go for TJ Ward. He is on the trade block according to rumors. I know we need a cb, but would anyone argue haden is better than ward?

Ward is a safety

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6 minutes ago, jameszeigler834 said:

He was before he started getting concussions and other injuries.

He is way cheaper at least. Lol

 

Also fills a current need, just not CB...

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4 minutes ago, colts2dasuperbowl said:

i would rather take darrelle revis or someone in the free agent pool for cheaper price than Joe Haden.

Melvin is better than Revis at the moment. Sad, but true. 

 

Revis can't keep up with the speed of the game anymore. 

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4 minutes ago, colts2dasuperbowl said:

i would rather take darrelle revis or someone in the free agent pool for cheaper price than Joe Haden.

I would bring Revis in and see what he has.  If he still expects a large sum of money let him walk.

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Just now, jvan1973 said:

Ward is a safety

We may need a strong safety..... Geathers is less likely to come back imo

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Just now, AustinnKaine said:

Melvin is better than Revis at the moment. Sad, but true. 

 

Revis can't keep up with the speed of the game anymore. 

I can gamble on revis for cheap price than joe haden. revis can bounce back from horrible 2016 and be decent for us.

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10 minutes ago, jameszeigler834 said:

I was hearing we had like 21.6 million left I would try to restructure that contract though.

 

It's not worth trying to figure out cap space until after this weekend. We don't know who will be cut. 

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2 minutes ago, DaColts85 said:

I would bring Revis in and see what he has.  If he still expects a large sum of money let him walk.

Yes, that is exactly what I'm thinking. =)

 

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Just now, colts2dasuperbowl said:

I can gamble on revis for cheap price than joe haden. revis can bounce back from horrible 2016 and be decent for us.

We don't need Joe or Revis. PERIOD.

 

Let the rookies play. 

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1 minute ago, AustinnKaine said:

We don't need Joe or Revis. PERIOD.

 

Let the rookies play. 

Our secondary is already bad with all these injuries and without a veteran presence, we would really suck. It's just an idea of bringing in a guy like Revis and let the rookies learn from him. That's all. =)

 

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2 minutes ago, colts2dasuperbowl said:

Our secondary is already bad with all these injuries and without a veteran presence, we would really suck. It's just an idea of bringing in a guy like Revis and let the rookies learn from him. That's all. =)

 

Nope.

 

Pagano can teach our corners how to play. We don't pay players and use roster spots for coaches. That's why Grigson was fired. 

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Just now, AustinnKaine said:

Nope.

 

Pagano can teach our corners how to play. We don't pay players and use roster spots for coaches. That's why Grigson was fired. 

Pagano didn't do a good job with secondary in recent years. 

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1 hour ago, DaColts85 said:

He has a 14mil cap hit...we only have like 16 left??

 

Cap hit would be 11.2 to us.  When a player is traded away the team trading him has to take the cap hit on any remaining signing bonus that hasn't been pro-rated.

 

And our cap space is 21.5 M according to overthecap.com

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I really just hope I'm not going to have to spend this year watching Melvin try to D-up on #1 receivers.  

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2 minutes ago, Valpo2004 said:

I really just hope I'm not going to have to spend this year watching Melvin try to D-up on #1 receivers.  

I wouldn't see this as being much worse than watching Haden being beat...but yet his paycheck is larger so that would be worse.

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Welp, at least they have Hairston lol.  Hopefully he can be good, he's just going to get thrown to the wolves though,  same with Quincy.  

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A lot of the players you hear being shopped now are players with high salaries.   I think we could wait until they are released and then try to get them at a lower salary if we are interested.  Haden, Ward, Osweiler, maybe even Wilkerson could be released.  Maybe more surprises yet to come.   It's going to be an interesting week watching Ballard at work.

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2 hours ago, UKColt13 said:

I'm good. Declining talent with a massive salary and we need all the draft picks we can get. Let Quincy and Hairston show what they have. We aren't in win now mode at the moment.

Agreed. This team is a few years away...keep to the plan. With the issues surrounding Luck and Kelly and now Vontae...lets just focus on playing the youngsters and getting better. Hopefully in a couple years with some more additions we will be ready to compete for a championship....even with some drastic moves we would be lucky to be a playoff contender. That cap space is valuable...and I think Haden is a troubled player that is not on the upswing.

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1 hour ago, colts2dasuperbowl said:

Our secondary is already bad with all these injuries and without a veteran presence, we would really suck. It's just an idea of bringing in a guy like Revis and let the rookies learn from him. That's all. =)

 

Revis is guaranteed 6 million dollars just to sit at home. Anything he gets over that is what it would take to get him off his butt...one that I'm sure is getting fatter by the day with him not working out. He was old and out of shape last year....it would be a disaster trying to bring him in now. Maybe he can help coach the secondary...but he certainly isn't playing.

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1 minute ago, dgambill said:

Revis is guaranteed 6 million dollars just to sit at home. Anything he gets over that is what it would take to get him off his butt...one that I'm sure is getting fatter by the day with him not working out. He was old and out of shape last year....it would be a disaster trying to bring him in now. Maybe he can help coach the secondary...but he certainly isn't playing.

Actually...the Jets owe him the $6 mil so if a team offers something low he would still have the incentive to play because it is money on top of what the Jets are paying (depending on the amount).  He is also been linked to teams, such as, the Eagles and Giants.  He has been consistently working out in hopes to be signed to redeem last year.  He is one of the best to play the position and he wants to show that again, can he, that remains to be seen.  

 

But to randomly say he is sitting and getting fat...read first then comment! 

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