Already tired of Pagano

[Zoltan]

Is it just me or is anyone else already tired of Pagano and his complaining. He can't blame his GM anymore so he's looking for a new scapegoat to cover his butt, he's a defensive coach with a consistently bad defense and has made poor hirings for offensive coordinator (not counting Arians) and after his last rant blaming his young players for there injuries and lack of production just amazes me, with that attitude he is gonna lose the locker room. I do think Ballard has improved the defense and offense (the addition of Mack at Rb is promising) but I do believe we will not improve as a team until we have a real leader at Head Coach, I don't know who that is but I trust Ballard to make smart decisions moving forward.

[NannyMcafee]

This is the first preseason I have seen people be so judgmental. The colts never do good in preseason. Ever. 

[Jason_]

Just now, NannyMcafee said:

This is the first preseason I have seen people be so judgmental. The colts never do good in preseason. Ever. 

 

Then this has to be the first preseason since you've joined because this is absolutely nothing new. Lol

[indyagent17]

I bet the Colts have only won 6 preseason games in the last 10 years

[Zoltan]

3 minutes ago, NannyMcafee said:

This is the first preseason I have seen people be so judgmental. The colts never do good in preseason. Ever. 

It's nothing about the preseason games for me, after last season my tolerance of his shenanigans has gotten short, and that tantrum he had about his players just annoyed the % out of me. you don't see well respected coaches go off on a "its not my fault" tantrum like a child.

[jameszeigler834]

12 minutes ago, Colton Stenger said:

Is it just me or is anyone else already tired of Pagano and his complaining. He can't blame his GM anymore so he's looking for a new scapegoat to cover his butt, he's a defensive coach with a consistently bad defense and has made poor hirings for offensive coordinator (not counting Arians) and after his last rant blaming his young players for there injuries and lack of production just amazes me, with that attitude he is gonna lose the locker room. I do think Ballard has improved the defense and offense (the addition of Mack at Rb is promising) but I do believe we will not improve as a team until we have a real leader at Head Coach, I don't know who that is but I trust Ballard to make smart decisions moving forward.

Pagano should have been fired 2 years ago.

[Zoltan]

3 minutes ago, indyagent17 said:

I bet the Colts have only won 6 preseason games in the last 10 years

6 games I think that is estimating a little high haha. Did we win a single preseason game when we had manning?

[Mr.Debonair]

Ppl keep talking about the preseason. Ppl who are down on Pagano and this team moving forward aren't basing it off the preseason. It's based on the consistent struggles we've had with Pagano at the helm

 

[Zoltan]

Just now, Mr.Debonair said:

Ppl keep talking about the preseason. Ppl who are down on Pagano and this team moving forward aren't basing it off the preseason. It's based on the consistent struggles we've had with Pagano at the helm

 

I completely agree, the easiest thing to point to is that we hired a Defensive coach and our defense has gotten progressively worse

 

[rockywoj]

14 minutes ago, indyagent17 said:

I bet the Colts have only won 6 preseason games in the last 10 years

Okay, it's a bet.  

 

Pre-Season     Wins

2016 ... 2

2015 ... 1

2014 ... 0

2013 ... 2

2012 ... 2

2011 ... 1

2010 ... 0

2009 ... 1

2008 ... 1

2007 ... 1

 

Total pre-season wins previous 10 years = 11.

 

I win!  Pay up!

 

Note, the eight years previous to the above, 1999 - 2006, the Colts had 16 preseason wins.

 

(Source = NFL.com)

[indyagent17]

1 minute ago, rockywoj said:

Okay, it's a bet.  

 

Pre-Season     Wins

2016 ... 2

2015 ... 1

2014 ... 0

2013 ... 2

2012 ... 2

2011 ... 1

2010 ... 0

2009 ... 1

2008 ... 1

2007 ... 1

 

Total pre-season wins previous 10 years = 11.

 

I win!  Pay up!

I was being facetious brother but averaging 1.1 wins a preseason is funny because we were the winnigest team in the NFL. I still makes me sick the couldn't win more that 1 Superbowl in the period of the 200's

 

[rockywoj]

1 minute ago, indyagent17 said:

I was being facetious brother but averaging 1.1 wins a preseason is funny because we were the winnigest team in the NFL. I still makes me sick the couldn't win more that 1 Superbowl in the period of the 200's

 

lol, of course you were.  In turn, I was being literal.  ;)

 

All tongue in cheek.

 

As for # of Super Bowl wins, I agree.  We should have at least two more, in 2005 and in 2009.

[TKnight24]

19 minutes ago, NannyMcafee said:

This is the first preseason I have seen people be so judgmental. The colts never do good in preseason. Ever. 

Nanny, I never really cared about preseason. But this year is different cause that team we've seen on get outmatched 2 weeks straight is the same team you'll see for at least the first 5 weeks of the real season. Until Luck comes back, this is the reality and reality isn't looking good 

[indyagent17]

11 minutes ago, Colton Stenger said:

6 games I think that is estimating a little high haha. Did we win a single preseason game when we had manning?

I was informed we have won 11 since 2007

[rockywoj]

16 minutes ago, Colton Stenger said:

6 games I think that is estimating a little high haha. Did we win a single preseason game when we had manning?

From 1999 to 2010, we had 19 pre-season wins.  I am not counting 2011, when Manning was out for the entire year, not playing at all.  Just checked, in 1998 Colts won 2 pre-season games.  So the official count during the Manning era would appear to be 21 wins. Over 13 years, that is an average of 1.615 per year.

[HarryTheCat]

And yet you still have to buy those stupid games when you buy a season ticket. At least you don't have to buy three of them like you did in the "olden days" of six preseason games instead of four. 

[Colt Overseas]

Pre season is still relevant imo. We have got off to slow starts going 0-2 in the last two or three seasons because the coaches have not got this team up to speed. 

 

Thats on the coaches and there summer pre season programme.

[dudley dawson]

[csmopar]

1 hour ago, Colton Stenger said:

Is it just me or is anyone else already tired of Pagano and his complaining. He can't blame his GM anymore so he's looking for a new scapegoat to cover his butt, he's a defensive coach with a consistently bad defense and has made poor hirings for offensive coordinator (not counting Arians) and after his last rant blaming his young players for there injuries and lack of production just amazes me, with that attitude he is gonna lose the locker room. I do think Ballard has improved the defense and offense (the addition of Mack at Rb is promising) but I do believe we will not improve as a team until we have a real leader at Head Coach, I don't know who that is but I trust Ballard to make smart decisions moving forward.

 

 

 

 

15 minutes ago, dudley dawson said:

Interesting

[life long]

24 minutes ago, dudley dawson said:

Would chud or philbin become the interim HC in a scenario where pags is fired mid-season?

[IinD]

43 minutes ago, dudley dawson said:

I can't even remember the last time we've fired a coach in season honestly??

[GwinnettColt]

I look at it this way:

 

Make or break year.  

 

GM has been replaced and the  O-line and most of the defense has been replaced. There isn't much else to do.  

 

 

[IndyScribe]

If Pagano is fired, I'd like Dave Toub to be hired.

[NannyMcafee]

1 hour ago, TKnight24 said:

Nanny, I never really cared about preseason. But this year is different cause that team we've seen on get outmatched 2 weeks straight is the same team you'll see for at least the first 5 weeks of the real season. Until Luck comes back, this is the reality and reality isn't looking good 

 

The last two years have been pretty hard to watch. But my issue isn't with the past. The colts have never looked prepared in preseason, as long as I can remember. They didn't stink it up this year. But they're preparing to showcase their skills. Not a lot of scheme involved there. So to have issues with the past is one thing, but to act like this is the regular season of the last two years, just because it compares well, still isn't fair. 

 

I wanted pagano gone. But I'm ok with it just being Grigson this season. I just prefer to keep my pitchfork in the closet until regular season. 

 

If pagano fails then he will be sent packing. it's what we all wanted anyway. We weren't going to do anything this year to be completely honest. 

[Superman]

Pagano can't win. People call him soft and complain because he never calls players out when they don't play well. Then he engages in some relatively tough talk -- for him, not compared to the rest of the league; this is the kind of stuff coaches say routinely in the NFL -- and now he's whining and scapegoating.

 

Double standard. 

 

Just say you hate Pagano no matter what, stake your position, and be done with it. You don't have to make up reasons for it. 

[NorthernBlue]

Okay wait wait wait wait wait. This whole time we're complaining that pagano is a soft coach that doesn't discipline his players.

 

But the moment he gives it to some guys, he's suddenly deflecting blame? Wow.

[crazycolt1]

Wrong title for the thread. Might as well be "For those who  all hate Pagano start your whine fest here".

[Superman]

47 minutes ago, life long said:

Would chud or philbin become the interim HC in a scenario where pags is fired mid-season?

 

I would prefer Philbin, but I think it would be Chud.

[will426]

I honestly just hate the fact that our offense can never come out scoring lol..it gets tiring even discussing the defense at this point it's been a simple thing vs the colts since manning era just RUN THE BALL VS COLTS and you win...and what do you know every team in the division has a star Rb  and they're all clearly planning on Running through us to win

[#12.]

2 hours ago, NannyMcafee said:

 The colts never do good in preseason. Ever. 

 

That's because, generally speaking, they have been weak/thin teams that, without their QBs, would have gone nowhere.  When Manning and Luck play sparingly in preseason, they have no prayer.  

 

Be prepared for it to spill over to the regular season.  If Luck misses the first 4-5 games, it will be a repeat of 2011.

 

As for Chuck, it doesn't matter if he's tough or the players' best friend.  Either way, he's still a bad coach.

[BR-549]

How many threads do we need on this subject?  One per week enough?

 

 

[#12.]

38 minutes ago, GwinnettColt said:

GM has been replaced and the  O-line and most of the defense has been replaced. There isn't much else to do.  

 

 

It is a make or break year for Chuck, no doubt, but this roster is still far, far away from one that could compete for a title..

[GwinnettColt]

1 minute ago, #12. said:

It is a make or break year for Chuck, no doubt, but this roster is still far, far away from one that could compete for a title..

 

I would agree but they've addressed every position through either draft or FA.  

[azcolt]

2 hours ago, NannyMcafee said:

This is the first preseason I have seen people be so judgmental. The colts never do good in preseason. Ever. 

The coach has been judgmental this preseason so why not us?

[dudley dawson]

Prediction: Jon Gruden will be HC next season.

[richard pallo]

This is hilarious!  It's preseason and Luck hasn't taken a snap and most likely won't start the season.  Without Luck we will be expected to lose.  If we win Chuck will probably get a lot of the credit.   I really hope we open up with a win.  

[richard pallo]

2 minutes ago, azcolt said:

The coach has been judgmental this preseason so why not us?

I would hope he would be judgmental. I think that's part of the job description.

[Zoltan]

29 minutes ago, Superman said:

Pagano can't win. People call him soft and complain because he never calls players out when they don't play well. Then he engages in some relatively tough talk -- for him, not compared to the rest of the league; this is the kind of stuff coaches say routinely in the NFL -- and now he's whining and scapegoating.

 

Double standard. 

 

Just say you hate Pagano no matter what, stake your position, and be done with it. You don't have to make up reasons for it. 

While I was down on him last year, I was giving him a second chance and this last press conference I wouldn't call that being tough on his players watching his mannerisms and the phrasing he was using it sounds like he's being a cry baby, yes other coaches are tough on there players but when you compare to like how bruce Arians called out his receiving core vs Pagano trying to call out his young players. I think Arians got his point across while Pagano sounded like he was having a tantrum

[crazycolt1]

20 minutes ago, Colton Stenger said:

While I was down on him last year, I was giving him a second chance and this last press conference I wouldn't call that being tough on his players watching his mannerisms and the phrasing he was using it sounds like he's being a cry baby, yes other coaches are tough on there players but when you compare to like how bruce Arians called out his receiving core vs Pagano trying to call out his young players. I think Arians got his point across while Pagano sounded like he was having a tantrum

After reading the things you have said in this thread I find it hipocritical you call Pagano a cry baby.

[colts8718]

3 hours ago, Colton Stenger said:

I completely agree, the easiest thing to point to is that we hired a Defensive coach and our defense has gotten progressively worse

 

You mean his MONSTER D he is a joke