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2 minutes ago, krunk said:

I don't like the knee scope on Swoope.   They said Kendall Langfords knee scope was "Minor" last year and he was handicapped all year long because of that "Minor" procedure.

 

I don't like it either. But Langford was much older than Swoope. There are players who have come back from knee scopes (Ryan Kerrigan comes to mind). And not all arthroscopic surgeries are the same.

 

Pagano said he thinks Swoope will be back by the first game. I have no reason to believe Pagano...but I am hopeful. I am one of the Swoope's biggest fans and I think he could have a breakout season.

 

 

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40 minutes ago, shastamasta said:

 

I don't like it either. But Langford was much older than Swoope. There are players who have come back from knee scopes (Ryan Kerrigan comes to mind). And not all arthroscopic surgeries are the same.

 

Pagano said he thinks Swoope will be back by the first game. I have no reason to believe Pagano...but I am hopeful. I am one of the Swoope's biggest fans and I think he could have a breakout season.

 

 

So what is your reason Pagano would lie about Swoop? Pagano gave his opinion, he is not a doctor.

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40 minutes ago, krunk said:

I don't like the knee scope on Swoope.   They said Kendall Langfords knee scope was "Minor" last year and he was handicapped all year long because of that "Minor" procedure.

 

All knee scopes aren't the same. They could simply be removing scar tissue, which is best case scenario. Even if they're removing loose bodies -- pieces of bone or cartilage that have come loose -- that's typically a quick recovery, even if it has long term implications that are more concerning.

 

Langford had a chondral defect, which means the knee cartilage was significantly damaged. Not only does that have to be repaired (which means removing cartilage from the knee joint) and heal, which is, at best, a 4-6 recovery, there are definite long term implications, since you can't replace damaged cartilage. He has less cushion in his knee, which means he's going to have future knee issues, most likely, including arthritis. Several months later, he still wasn't ready to play. I think he had a pretty serious condition, and they didn't expect him to get fully healthy at any point.

 

By the way, Mewhort also had a chondral defect. It's assumed that his wasn't as severe as Langford's, since he was able to recover faster. We can also assume that, being younger, he bounced back stronger. But it's also likely that he'll have future issues with the same knee, which is something the Colts need to be careful about if they intend to re-sign him.

 

So, we don't know what kind of issue Swoope had, or the extent of it. If we could take Pagano at his word that it's a week to week issue, and not a month to month issue, then I'd say that's a good indication, but the Colts hold back a lot of information when they're not required to share it, so we don't know anything at this point. Hopefully is a minor thing that doesn't cause long term issues. 

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2 hours ago, crazycolt1 said:

So what is your reason Pagano would lie about Swoop? Pagano gave his opinion, he is not a doctor.

 

I don't know if he's lying...I am just saying I don't trust that he's right...given all of the "opinions" he (and this team) have had in the past.

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20 minutes ago, shastamasta said:

 

I don't know if he's lying...I am just saying I don't trust that he's right...given all of the "opinions" he (and this team) have had in the past.

 

No one can give a definitive date when any player would be back.

 

I don't know why everyone is so upset with Irsay and Pagano, as if they're hiding some prescient ability.  

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23 minutes ago, Smonroe said:

 

No one can give a definitive date when any player would be back.

 

I don't know why everyone is so upset with Irsay and Pagano, as if they're hiding some prescient ability.  

Exactly.  Irsay and Pagano are not doctors. All they themselves know is what is told by the doctors.  Players heal and rehab at different levels. Just because player 'x' took 6 weeks to get back on the field does not mean player 'z' is going to do the same.

Irsay and Pagan are no different than any one of us in the sense of we all have to wait and see. Getting upset at either one of them and making accusations of being somehow dishonest is a pile of horse dung.

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29 minutes ago, Smonroe said:

 

No one can give a definitive date when any player would be back.

 

I don't know why everyone is so upset with Irsay and Pagano, as if they're hiding some prescient ability.  

 

I am not upset with Pagano. Not sure how this delved into an argument about Pagano. 

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3 hours ago, Superman said:

 

All knee scopes aren't the same. They could simply be removing scar tissue, which is best case scenario. Even if they're removing loose bodies -- pieces of bone or cartilage that have come loose -- that's typically a quick recovery, even if it has long term implications that are more concerning.

 

Langford had a chondral defect, which means the knee cartilage was significantly damaged. Not only does that have to be repaired (which means removing cartilage from the knee joint) and heal, which is, at best, a 4-6 recovery, there are definite long term implications, since you can't replace damaged cartilage. He has less cushion in his knee, which means he's going to have future knee issues, most likely, including arthritis. Several months later, he still wasn't ready to play. I think he had a pretty serious condition, and they didn't expect him to get fully healthy at any point.

 

By the way, Mewhort also had a chondral defect. It's assumed that his wasn't as severe as Langford's, since he was able to recover faster. We can also assume that, being younger, he bounced back stronger. But it's also likely that he'll have future issues with the same knee, which is something the Colts need to be careful about if they intend to re-sign him.

 

So, we don't know what kind of issue Swoope had, or the extent of it. If we could take Pagano at his word that it's a week to week issue, and not a month to month issue, then I'd say that's a good indication, but the Colts hold back a lot of information when they're not required to share it, so we don't know anything at this point. Hopefully is a minor thing that doesn't cause long term issues. 

Are you studying to be a surgeon in your spare time in between being a moderator Superman? Just Kidding! 

 

Very thorough explanation Swoope's knee scope etc. etc. 

 

I watched Chuck's press conference just now too. I don't read too much into preseason games. Pagano said what needed to be said with our first real action at home.  

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44 minutes ago, shastamasta said:

 

I am not upset with Pagano. Not sure how this delved into an argument about Pagano. 

Intended or not I think you comment saying you don't know if he is lying and your lack of trust. Then you mention his past opinions gave that impression you think Pagano was dishonest.  

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27 minutes ago, southwest1 said:

Are you studying to be a surgeon in your spare time in between being a moderator Superman? Just Kidding! 

 

Very thorough explanation Swoope's knee scope etc. etc.  

 

Nope, but I did have a scope done a few years ago, had a torn meniscus and a chondral defect, so I've done my fair share of research. I'm no expert at all.

 

I also have no information about Swoope's operation. I don't know what kind of issue he had, and I don't know about his prognosis. But hopefully it was a minor issue, and he can get back on the field pretty quicly.

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8 minutes ago, Superman said:

 

Nope, but I did have a scope done a few years ago, had a torn meniscus and a chondral defect, so I've done my fair share of research. I'm no expert at all.

 

I also have no information about Swoope's operation. I don't know what kind of issue he had, and I don't know about his prognosis. But hopefully it was a minor issue, and he can get back on the field pretty quicly.

I realize you're not the team's primary surgeon & all Supes. I just liked what you said. It was a complement on my part that apparently was ambiguous & not clear. SW1 must be losing my touch. :P 

 

In any case, it sounds like your procedure went well. Cool. 

 

No one is expecting conclusive medical expertise here on Swoope, Luck, or any other athlete on the Colt roster. It's all good. 

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3 hours ago, crazycolt1 said:

Intended or not I think you comment saying you don't know if he is lying and your lack of trust. Then you mention his past opinions gave that impression you think Pagano was dishonest.  

 

I never mentioned the word trust. It's not a trust issue...which is why I said I don't know if he's lying...meaning I don't really have an opinion on that.

 

What I said is I don't have reason to believe that his opinion/outlook is correct. And given their track record on injuries, I think it's a more than a fair position. 

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31 minutes ago, shastamasta said:

 

I never mentioned the word trust. It's not a trust issue...which is why I said I don't know if he's lying...meaning I don't really have an opinion on that.

 

What I said is I don't have reason to believe that his opinion/outlook is correct. And given their track record on injuries, I think it's a more than a fair position. 

Track record?

For any non medical person ask about anything medical the only acceptable answer has to be wait and see or something close to that meaning. They are not qualified to give any answers because the are not qualified. Even the doctors or specialist cant say much because every individual is different in the healing and rehab process.

To point out something sinister or dishonest because of the nature of how the NFL and pretty much any medical issue is handled shows the lack of understanding of how these things work.

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11 hours ago, crazycolt1 said:

Track record?

For any non medical person ask about anything medical the only acceptable answer has to be wait and see or something close to that meaning. They are not qualified to give any answers because the are not qualified. Even the doctors or specialist cant say much because every individual is different in the healing and rehab process.

To point out something sinister or dishonest because of the nature of how the NFL and pretty much any medical issue is handled shows the lack of understanding of how these things work.

 

Pagano didn't say we will have to wait and see. Keefer tweeted that Pagano said Swoope should be ready by the opener. And it's not the first time he has given a very optimistic and incorrect timeline on a player.

 

So, naturally, I don't believe that he's correct in his assessment. And, as you pointed out, he's not a medical professional...so that's another reason. And the nature of the NFL is to historically withhold injury information, so that would be yet another reason.

 

You keep bringing this back trust and honesty into this. That is not what what I am talking about. I have never implied that Pagano is doing anything sinister...just that he's incorrect. 

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