LeVeon Bell

[oldunclemark]

Steelers apparently offered him 5 years at $12 mil......30 mil guaranteed according to reports.

He said 'no'..he can get $12 .1 mil on the 'franchise tag' so I dont think he'll be holding out.

 

Sounds like long term negotiations are held up on the pay scale  He's just 25 and a Pro Bowl player

$12 mill is much more than any RB gets but obviously much less than QBs, WRs and OLBs. I don't know of any other RB that gets $10 mil.

Plus...injuries and suspensions have limited Bell to 18 games the last 2 years but even if that wasn't true,. $30 mil in the bank for certain seem generous and optimistic for a running back. He should accept the deal gladly, right?. What's wrong with him?

But QBs are making $20-$25 'extra large'.....WRs get $15 mil ..LInemen get more than $10 mil....Linemen!!

Why are RBs second class citizens?  No respect! Its not fair!!!

 

Is $12 mil a year for 3 to 5 years for LeVeon Bell not nearly enough .....or far too much.

Your thoughts

Edited July 19, 2017 by oldunclemark
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[CR91]

The full details of the deal wasn't revealed. We know the average, but how much of it was upfront

[DaColts85]

The one problem for this position is they typically do not last past 30 (Frank Gore the exception).  They get the rookie deal which most will be 25 or 26 after that ends, and then negotiate the one big contract they will get.  This is a position that will start to get more attention now that certain teams have key RB's (David Johnson as example) and not just a RB by committee.  Just looking at the basics though he would be crazy not to sign for that deal.  5 years for $60 total and half guaranteed would be the dream for a RB. Maybe there is a team that would go crazy for him in FA but I doubt he gets anything larger. 

[21isSuperman]

If history is any indication, Bell has about 2 more years of great performance before he begins to slow down.  He has 4 more years of decent performance.  Analytically thinking, the Steelers shouldn't give him a 5 year deal.  I'd give him 3 or 4 years at the most.  However, as a fan of the Colts, I hope they give him huge guaranteed money and a long term deal

[jameszeigler834]

7 hours ago, oldunclemark said:

Steelers apparently offered him 5 years at $12 mil......30 mil guaranteed according to reports.

He said 'no'..he can get $12 .1 mil on the 'franchise tag' so I dont think he'll be holding out.

 

Sounds like long term negotiations are held up on the pay scale  He's just 25 and a Pro Bowl player

$12 mill is much more than any RB gets but obviously much less than QBs, WRs and OLBs. I don't know of any other RB that gets $10 mil.

Plus...injuries and suspensions have limited Bell to 18 games the last 2 years but even if that wasn't true,. $30 mil in the bank for certain seem generous and optimistic for a running back. He should accept the deal gladly, right?. What's wrong with him?

But QBs are making $20-$25 'extra large'.....WRs get $15 mil ..LInemen get more than $10 mil....Linemen!!

Why are RBs second class citizens?  No respect! Its not fair!!!

 

Is $12 mil a year for 3 to 5 years for LeVeon Bell not nearly enough .....or far too much.

Your thoughts

Too much I'm not saying that because he isn't a good player I'm not he is an awesome player but He cant stay out of trouble and cant stay healthy and the getting suspended and getting hurt all the tijme is why I'm saying too much.

[tvturner]

If Pittsburgh doesn't want him I'm sure he can find a home alongside Andrew in Indy

[ColtsBlueFL]

While the RB value has steadily declined as the run game has diminished and passig flourished, the second week of 2016 became a stark reminder why it can be risky to dole out huge sums of cash or top draft picks on a RB.  

 

"Five clear-cut starters (Adrian Peterson, Jonathan Stewart, Doug Martin, Arian Foster, and Ameer Abdullah) went down with injuries, and invaluable Chargers cog Danny Woodhead was lost to a torn ACL.

The ailments run the gamut in terms of severity, from the Buccaneers’ Martin saying that his hamstring issue was only a “slight tweak” to the Vikings breaking the news on Wednesday morning that Peterson would have surgery to repair his torn meniscus and is expected to be out until at least December."

 

History has shown that from 2000-2010, there were an average of three running backs taken in the first round of the NFL Draft every year. Then for 2011-2013 that average has dropped to one, and then two seasons (2013 & 2014) where not a single running back was taken in the first round. 2015 had 2, back to one in 2016, and another 2 this past draft.

In an interview after the 2016 NFL Draft, Oakland Raiders general manager Reggie McKenzie told reporters (via Oakland Raiders.com)  

 

“You just can’t go through the whole season with one running back with all the production. That can’t happen.”

 

"Of the 12 teams who made the 2015 NFL playoffs, all but three of them had at least two players with 99-plus rushing attempts in the regular season. The three who didn’t were the Kansas City Chiefs, the New England Patriots, and the Minnesota Vikings. The Chiefs had four different players with 70-plus carries, the Patriots have Tom Brady, and the Vikings have Adrian Peterson."     And note Peterson's production and pay have dropped off the map.

 

"DeMarco Murray, Le’Veon Bell, Eddie Lacy, Matt Forte, Jamaal Charles, Marshawn Lynch, Arian Foster.. these are just a few of the top backs who missed significant time with injuries, including several who missed most of the season. What makes these injuries even worse is the money they cost NFL teams (2015)."

 

Teams are beginning to run their versions of moneyball, and see some trends that do not favor the running back in today's NFL.

 

[oldunclemark]

6 hours ago, Boomstick1 said:

If Pittsburgh doesn't want him I'm sure he can find a home alongside Andrew in Indy

For 2018, I guess that's not far fetched

[ColtsBlueFL]

On 7/19/2017 at 9:18 AM, oldunclemark said:

Steelers apparently offered him 5 years at $12 mil......30 mil guaranteed according to reports.

He said 'no'..he can get $12 .1 mil on the 'franchise tag' so I dont think he'll be holding out.

 

Sounds like long term negotiations are held up on the pay scale  He's just 25 and a Pro Bowl player

$12 mill is much more than any RB gets but obviously much less than QBs, WRs and OLBs. I don't know of any other RB that gets $10 mil.

Plus...injuries and suspensions have limited Bell to 18 games the last 2 years but even if that wasn't true,. $30 mil in the bank for certain seem generous and optimistic for a running back. He should accept the deal gladly, right?. What's wrong with him?

But QBs are making $20-$25 'extra large'.....WRs get $15 mil ..LInemen get more than $10 mil....Linemen!!

Why are RBs second class citizens?  No respect! Its not fair!!!

 

Is $12 mil a year for 3 to 5 years for LeVeon Bell not nearly enough .....or far too much.

Your thoughts

 

My thoughts?

 

A couple years ago, (I think 2015) there was an article showed the 10 highest-paid running backs that year averaged only 9.7 starts per player, and only three of them played in all 16 games.

 

These highly paid players just have not been able to stay healthy, and those players who were healthy weren’t necessarily the ones getting big pay. RB's take a heavy beating, and there's no predictor of who or when the next injury occurs.

 

Those backup ruuning backs averaged a salary of just over $500,000 that year, where the (injured) big money RB's they initially backed up were paid an average of almost $8 million.  This really is not an outlier either, and NFL teams are beginning to take notice.  As these next few years go by, I believe the Franchise Tag value for RB's might actually decrease some. (who are the RB's making huge money right now? Who's next to get money, and when?). Remember, average of top 5 salaries sets the tag.

 

DeMarco Murray had an incredible year in 2014 and he was looking for a big payday from the Cowboys. He got his money, but in Philadelphia where he turned his $3.4 million pay raise into a 1,143 yard drop in production.  Yeah, scheme, yada yada.  The point is, Dallas (after refusing to sign Murray) turned to Darren McFadden and  other backups and still fielded a top 10 running attack that next season, and  they didn't have shell out that huge paycheck.

 

Teams realize they can't pay huge sums to One RB that may well not be able to perform for a full year or produce consistently high results when they can fill the role with several players (specialists, redzone short yardage, etc...).  La'Veon Bell tryingposition himself as more than an RB (like McCaffery will do near end of his rookie contract)  to get a much higher contract an for typical RB's is is prudent, because the dollars for single or limited dimensional running backs keep going down compared to other positions. 

 

 

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[oldunclemark]

Its easy to talk theory..and its all valid.

The problem is letting one of your big guns walk and getting nothing when you want to be a title contender

[Dark Superman]

He's a RB who is looking to earn every penny he can before his skills begin to decline.  SMH.

[RockThatBlue]

10 minutes ago, Colt-King21 said:

He's a RB who is looking to earn every penny he can before his skills begin to decline.  SMH.

Whats wrong with that? I would do the same thing. 

[Dark Superman]

1 hour ago, RockThatBlue said:

Whats wrong with that? I would do the same thing. 

Nothing is wrong with that. But openly saying that you turned down a contact that gave you $12 million a year because the franchise tag paid you 12.1 is a little bit ridiculous. Especially when a guy like Bell is so beloved by the fans of Pittsburgh.

 

I feel like some of their fans are starting to resent him.

[ColtsBlueFL]

4 hours ago, Colt-King21 said:

He's a RB who is looking to earn every penny he can before his skills begin to decline.  SMH.

 

Depends on how you define decline.  with 2 drug suspensions and 2 surgeries (MCL, and core muscle/groin in March this year) He's already missed a lot of games recently.  He's very productive when out there, but he's just not out there all that much. (18 games played, 14 games missed last 2 seasons).  That's not 12 mil a year kind of output, IMO.

[jvan1973]

On 7/22/2017 at 10:57 PM, Colt-King21 said:

Nothing is wrong with that. But openly saying that you turned down a contact that gave you $12 million a year because the franchise tag paid you 12.1 is a little bit ridiculous. Especially when a guy like Bell is so beloved by the fans of Pittsburgh.

 

I feel like some of their fans are starting to resent him.

Many players do the same every year

[Jason_]

On 7/19/2017 at 7:46 PM, Boomstick1 said:

If Pittsburgh doesn't want him I'm sure he can find a home alongside Andrew in Indy

 

if he can't stay healthy and out of trouble then no thank you

[Valpo2004]

Far too much for an RB.  

 

And Bell has injury concerns as well as a drug suspension.  He's not even the best RB in the NFL.  (Although clearly top 5)

 

Sorry Bell but I think you are dumb to turn down that much money and the Steelers where dumb to have offered you that much money.  

[Valpo2004]

On 7/22/2017 at 9:08 PM, RockThatBlue said:

Whats wrong with that? I would do the same thing. 

 

Nothing wrong with that but if you ask me he's made a stupid decision in the long run.  

 

Dude has drug suspensions and injuries.  I'm surprised the Steelers offered 12 million to him as it is.  

[tvturner]

4 hours ago, Valpo2004 said:

Far too much for an RB.  

 

And Bell has injury concerns as well as a drug suspension.  He's not even the best RB in the NFL.  (Although clearly top 5)

 

Sorry Bell but I think you are dumb to turn down that much money and the Steelers where dumb to have offered you that much money.  

Bell IS the best RB in the NFL. It's easy. Nobody is better than him

[tvturner]

4 hours ago, J@son said:

 

if he can't stay healthy and out of trouble then no thank you

Are you kidding me? He's the best RB and the best overall RB in the league. He can do everything. Smoking weed is not being in trouble.

[Jason_]

6 minutes ago, Boomstick1 said:

Are you kidding me? He's the best RB and the best overall RB in the league. He can do everything. Smoking weed is not being in trouble.

 

It is until the NFL changes its rules regarding smoking weed.

[RockThatBlue]

8 minutes ago, J@son said:

 

It is until the NFL changes its rules regarding smoking weed.

I bet they will sometime in the next 5-10 years, especially as more states legalize it.

[rock8591]

A cancer in every way.

[Valpo2004]

18 hours ago, Boomstick1 said:

Bell IS the best RB in the NFL. It's easy. Nobody is better than him

 

I'd rather have David Johnson honestly.  And that's even if I discounted Bell's weed smoking and injury issues.  I'd still give David Johnson the edge.

 

With the fact that Bell has had availability issues and David Johnson hasn't I think it's quite frankly no contest. 

[ColtsBlueFL]

12 hours ago, Valpo2004 said:

 

I'd rather have David Johnson honestly.  And that's even if I discounted Bell's weed smoking and injury issues.  I'd still give David Johnson the edge.

 

With the fact that Bell has had availability issues and David Johnson hasn't I think it's quite frankly no contest. 

Got to agree. And, I've heard Arians wants to find a way to get him 30 touches ( not all pure runs either ) per game this year. Saves some wear on Palmer as well, who did great until he ran out of gas at times during the season.

[Colts_Fan12]

On 7/24/2017 at 11:53 AM, Valpo2004 said:

Far too much for an RB.  

 

And Bell has injury concerns as well as a drug suspension.  He's not even the best RB in the NFL.  (Although clearly top 5)

 

Sorry Bell but I think you are dumb to turn down that much money and the Steelers where dumb to have offered you that much money.  

He's most definalty the best in the league 

[oldunclemark]

On ‎7‎/‎24‎/‎2017 at 3:07 PM, Boomstick1 said:

Bell IS the best RB in the NFL. It's easy. Nobody is better than him

This is where I am..

.....If you are a playoff team that wants to get to the big bowl....do you care that that he may not last all 5 years.

Frank Gore probably retires after this season..

 

....The Colts could sign him if he cant cut a deal with the Steelers..

He might be fragile and a part time weed head.....but if gains 1,700 yards for us in 2018, we might not care what happens after that.

[Dark Superman]

On 7/24/2017 at 8:22 AM, J@son said:

 

if he can't stay healthy and out of trouble then no thank you

That will never happen.