TKnight24 Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 Only 4 QB's graded higher than a 90.0, Luck did it along with the other 3. I gotta remember he only played 15 games too. The future is bright folks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colts_Fan12 Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 Nah the guy is trash he isn't living up to the hype!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2006Coltsbestever Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 2 months away before Pre-Season starts, hard to believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
footballhero1 Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 Besides the point, but there is really no reason that Brees isn't on that list besides his defense sucks. He broke the single season record for completions, led the league in yards with another plus 5000 season, had the 2nd highest completion percentage, was top 3 in TD's (behind Rodgers and Ryan, who are there), and had a top 5 passer rating over 100 (where 3 of the 4 ahead of him were Rodgers/Ryan/Brady, who made the cut here). It's almost egregious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZColt11 Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 1 hour ago, Colts_Fan12 said: Nah the guy is trash he isn't living up to the hype!! Bust. "If you aint first you're last!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullsColtsFan1 Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 11 hours ago, Colts_Fan12 said: Nah the guy is trash he isn't living up to the hype!! Sign Skip Bayless, Teddy Bruschi and Stephen A. Smith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bababooey Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 10 hours ago, footballhero1 said: Besides the point, but there is really no reason that Brees isn't on that list besides his defense sucks. He broke the single season record for completions, led the league in yards with another plus 5000 season, had the 2nd highest completion percentage, was top 3 in TD's (behind Rodgers and Ryan, who are there), and had a top 5 passer rating over 100 (where 3 of the 4 ahead of him were Rodgers/Ryan/Brady, who made the cut here). It's almost egregious. Brees should play better than, plenty of people have % defenses including us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason_ Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 12 minutes ago, bababooey said: Brees should play better than, plenty of people have % defenses including us. Better than...? What? And did you read the full post you replied to or only the first sentence? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bababooey Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 8 minutes ago, J@son said: Better than...? What? And did you read the full post you replied to or only the first sentence? Meant to say then*. He had great offensive stats but there are clearly omitted stats that contributed to him not being graded as high as the other four. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
life long Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 1 hour ago, bababooey said: Meant to say then*. He had great offensive stats but there are clearly omitted stats that contributed to him not being graded as high as the other four. That is the difference between QBR and Passer rating. Obviously, both are flawed, but IMO QBR has more merit and is not 100% stat based. Notice Dak is not as high here as he was in passer rating rankings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockThatBlue Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 12 hours ago, Colts_Fan12 said: Nah the guy is trash he isn't living up to the hype!! Calm down Skip Bayless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason_ Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 51 minutes ago, life long said: That is the difference between QBR and Passer rating. Obviously, both are flawed, but IMO QBR has more merit and is not 100% stat based. Notice Dak is not as high here as he was in passer rating rankings. imo both have equal merit, just depending on what you're trying to evaluate. obviously passer rating doesn't take any scrambling or QB rushing yards into account. It's purely to get an idea of what kind of game the QB had purely from a passing standpoint. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colts_Fan12 Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 3 hours ago, BullsColtsFan1 said: Sign Skip Bayless, Teddy Bruschi and Stephen A. Smith Exactly the *s I was mocking lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlos Danger Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 Oooooh... THESE are the elites I keep hearing about. Pretty sure these lizard people are running the NWO from behind their human masks... but my memories might have been falsely implanted by all the chem trails and fake news media. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Peytonator Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 If we start mixing in some more 3 step drops, Luck stays healthy and consistent, the dude is going to be the best in the league. Our Oline isn't nearly as bad at pass blocking as they're made out to be, and I like the future there with Haeg and Clark on the right side. I'm pretty excited to be honest, especially with the defensive heavy offseason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoColts8818 Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 16 hours ago, TKnight24 said: Only 4 QB's graded higher than a 90.0, Luck did it along with the other 3. I gotta remember he only played 15 games too. The future is bright folks Just have to get him and then keep him healthy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoColts8818 Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 6 minutes ago, The Peytonator said: If we start mixing in some more 3 step drops, Luck stays healthy and consistent, the dude is going to be the best in the league. Our Oline isn't nearly as bad at pass blocking as they're made out to be, and I like the future there with Haeg and Clark on the right side. I'm pretty excited to be honest, especially with the defensive heavy offseason. I really think the oline is fixed, just young, outside of Castonzo who is a little older but not over the hill. I think the biggest problem with Luck right now is he doesn't give up on a play but at the same time that's what makes him special so it's a double edged sword. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Peytonator Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 1 minute ago, GoColts8818 said: I really think the oline is fixed, just young, outside of Castonzo who is a little older but not over the hill. I think the biggest problem with Luck right now is he doesn't give up on a play but at the same time that's what makes him special so it's a double edged sword. Yep that's been my biggest gripe about him since he's been in the league. Some of it seems to be by design. Hoping to see it change a little bit going forward as Ballard seems to have indicated that it's a problem. Gotta disagree with you on Castonzo though; he may be about the oldest guy on the team not named Vinatieri, but he's a lock on the left side. Not that he's elite, but he's an above average LT and I think he'd look a lot better without being asked to block for 7 step drops half the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coltsfan77 Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 This can't be right with Mariota and Newton already ahead of him on top 100!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoColts8818 Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 2 hours ago, The Peytonator said: Yep that's been my biggest gripe about him since he's been in the league. Some of it seems to be by design. Hoping to see it change a little bit going forward as Ballard seems to have indicated that it's a problem. Gotta disagree with you on Castonzo though; he may be about the oldest guy on the team not named Vinatieri, but he's a lock on the left side. Not that he's elite, but he's an above average LT and I think he'd look a lot better without being asked to block for 7 step drops half the time. Yeah I probably came across as harsh on Castonzo which wasn't my intent. I think he's good, just not a superstar which is fine. i was just making the point he's the "old man" of the line as everyone else is at most a third year player. He's still not old though. As for Luck I heard a radio interview where Ballard pretty much said you have to let Luck be Luck or you can ruin a special player. I just think they really need to drive it into him an incomplete pass is far from the worst that can happen on a play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Peytonator Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 Agreed. I definitely don't want to change Luck but our 3 step/7 step drop ratio is insane. This comes down to the offensive coordinators and it's been the same since Arians. We have receivers that can get quick separation and I just can't figure out why they choose to run these long developing routes all the time. Could be because we haven't been an effective screen running team, but there are other ways to get rid of the ball quickly, we just rarely do it. Anyway, Luck is a special player, I'd just like to see him take on some Peyton/Brady like attributes rather than opting to be a Favre/ Roethlesberger type. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southwest1 Posted June 2, 2017 Share Posted June 2, 2017 12 hours ago, RockThatBlue said: Calm down Skip Bayless. The thing that always cracks me up about Skip is that he always latches on to a false narrative of his own creation or taking a statement out of context anyway. Phil Sims & others would marvel at Luck's ability to make accurate throws in the pocket with bodies all around him basically saying that since Chewbacca could take a hit & not flinch that he possessed all the ingredients of a HOF pedigree. Skip naturally twisted this remark into an outlandish slight that Luck had already been named a destined lock HOF shoe in in the NFL. It's like when Micheal Jackson became known as "The King Of Pop." You know who gave him that self imposed label? Michael Jackson himself. Translation: Mr. Bayless hates Luck & whenever INDY fails to win the division, make a deep playoffs run, or secure another AFC Championship Game appearance, he always says something like what's a matter? Andrew Lock should be able to do this from what all these HOF analysts tell me? It drives me nuts because Skip created the false narrative & then he holds Andrew to a self imposed standard that he not Luck created. It's laughably absurd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoColts8818 Posted June 2, 2017 Share Posted June 2, 2017 5 hours ago, The Peytonator said: Agreed. I definitely don't want to change Luck but our 3 step/7 step drop ratio is insane. This comes down to the offensive coordinators and it's been the same since Arians. We have receivers that can get quick separation and I just can't figure out why they choose to run these long developing routes all the time. Could be because we haven't been an effective screen running team, but there are other ways to get rid of the ball quickly, we just rarely do it. Anyway, Luck is a special player, I'd just like to see him take on some Peyton/Brady like attributes rather than opting to be a Favre/ Roethlesberger type. Watching the WRs closely over the past couple of years they struggle to get open a lot outside of TY who has his moments too. So I think sometimes Luck holds the ball longer than the play is designed for because no one is open. Our screen game on both sides of the ball is embarrassing. The offense runs the most predictable screens ever and then don't even come close to getting the blocking they need and the defense looks like it's never seen a screen pass before. All and all I haven't been overly impressed with Chud's offense but that might just be me. Honestly it looks a lot like the passing game Pep liked which tells me that the head coach is telling the OC what kind of offense he wants to run which is clearly his right as HC but I don't like the offense. Just my opinion on that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southwest1 Posted June 2, 2017 Share Posted June 2, 2017 15 hours ago, BullsColtsFan1 said: Sign Skip Bayless, Teddy Bruschi and Stephen A. Smith I'm with ya on Skip & Stephen A. but as far as I can remember all Teddy really said regarding Luck was throw the ball away more & don't put your team in harms way by throwing a pick. That's constructive criticism to me. Then again, I don't watch ESPN anymore other then MNF so, I have no idea what Bruschi is saying now either. I wish Luck would stop tackling guys when he throws a pick too. His body must take less punishment not more. At least, try & cut down on contact whenever you can as a QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentHill Posted June 2, 2017 Share Posted June 2, 2017 Luck did it with a bum shoulder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucky Colts Fan Posted June 3, 2017 Share Posted June 3, 2017 On 5/31/2017 at 11:18 PM, Colts_Fan12 said: Nah the guy is trash he isn't living up to the hype!! On 6/1/2017 at 10:22 AM, BullsColtsFan1 said: Sign Skip Bayless, Teddy Bruschi and Stephen A. Smith On 6/1/2017 at 0:16 PM, RockThatBlue said: Calm down Skip Bayless. If you ask jokers like Skip Bayless, he will tell you that not even Peyton Manning lived up to the hype of being the #1 overall pick. "Should have won more SBs" and no 1st-round QB will EVER live up to the hype until they have more rings than Brady... According to Bayless, Bruschi, and Smith, Brady is the ONLY QB to ever meet/exceed the "hype"... I like Skip Bayless' first name, because that's the button I hit when one of his videos pops up... SKIP! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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