Colts Offensive Line Ranked Worst In Pocket Space

[ClaytonColt]

2 minutes ago, Myles said:

I would agree with most of that.   I think we can still upgrade the line though.    i would like more depth too.   But the depth is true for almost every defensive position too. 

My thinking is that having a top offensive line can hide most other flaws.  

Maybe it can. I'm not so sure.

 

The debate has been going on over on the scouting section of this forum so apologies if it's a duplication but my view if that great lines are usually great units rather than 5 great players.

 

Any current top line you wish you mention whether it's Dallas, Pittsburgh, Tennessee or the Raiders has low round picks of UDFA playing their part in that. The scheme they use as a group has a much higher impact than the individual abilities.

[chad72]

6 minutes ago, ClaytonColt said:

Maybe it can. I'm not so sure.

 

The debate has been going on over on the scouting section of this forum so apologies if it's a duplication but my view if that great lines are usually great units rather than 5 great players.

 

Any current top line you wish you mention whether it's Dallas, Pittsburgh, Tennessee or the Raiders has low round picks of UDFA playing their part in that. The scheme they use as a group has a much higher impact than the individual abilities.

 

Yep, agree. A great QB and D can hide more flaws than a great OL. We have the close to elite QB, once he decides to play like an elite one he will hide more flaws too. Time to build the D to hide more flaws.

 

There is no team that is not flawed. Even the Patriots were flawed for 3 quarters in the SB but had 1 great quarter that also happened to be the Falcons' worst quarter. The flaws however were overcome by great QB play and a D that gave the ball back to that QB allowing that comeback to be possible.

 

You need an OL capable of playing multiple schemes and indoors or outdoors. Versatility and continuity of units are greater than the collection of individual talent.

[BOTT]

10 hours ago, chad72 said:

 

We need a starter, not a depth guy in round 1, especially where we are picking at #15.

 

The Cowboys, despite drafting all those OL players high and having DeMarco Murray and Ezekiel Elliott lead the league in rushing in the 2014 and 2016 seasons, do not have more than a divisional round appearance to show for due to an imbalance in team building. Their D has cost them games enough in the playoffs now and now with all the FAs that left, their defensive talent imbalance is only going to show its ugly head again. 

 

So, if we want to talk SB winning teams, investing in pass D has what won the recent teams the SBs. From the 2013 Seahawks' ferocious DL pass rush to help the LOB to 2014 Patriots (with Revis, Browner) to 2015 Broncos with their CBs and safeties to 2016 Patriots with their 3 safety play and all those deals for utility DL like Chris Long, Jabaal Sheard etc. to rotate to keep their DL fresh, that has what has won SBs primarily along with smart/elite QB play, IMO.

 

Patriots have what, 1 guy drafted in round 1 for their OL, Nate Solder. Vollmer was drafted in round 2 and both were tackles. I think Colts fans should embrace the fact that the QB, coaching and play calling will help our OL more than where they are drafted. 

The coaching and play calling hasn't been helping the offensive line.  I would argue that has been their greatest obstacle.

[Myles]

14 hours ago, chad72 said:

 

Yep, agree. A great QB and D can hide more flaws than a great OL.

I disagree.   Nothing gets more out of more positions than a great offensive line.   A top QB comes close, but if that QB isn't Peyton Manning, than I doubt it.  

[Vinatieri4]

20 hours ago, ColtsBlueFL said:

 

I know we fans and the media like to label people.  But Romo is not more brittle than other human beings.  I can say with good confidence that if others that took the same exact shots in the same place(s) at the same force at the same angle as Romo, they would also suffer the same damage.  If not everyone, a very high % would. 

 

I chalk it up to poor fortune, and letting those defenders get that shot in on you in the first place.

 

 

I would disagree with you, Romo's back is more likely to get injured on that type of shot than say Ben Roethlisberger (someone close in age)

 

Why? Romo has had multiple surgeries on his back, it is a known issue that he has back problems. I would also say that people not in the NFL are far more brittle in MOST cases. The guys who play in the league are freaks of nature. You can't compare them to regular people, however once you start comparing them to eachother, then you can say okay, Tony Romo has an injury history, he is far more likely to injury than tons of quarterbacks. History speaks for itself. 

[ColtsBlueFL]

1 hour ago, Vinatieri4 said:

 

 

I would disagree with you, Romo's back is more likely to get injured on that type of shot than say Ben Roethlisberger (someone close in age)

 

 

Here's the play.  Romo starts slide, Avril flying from behind, wraps him and 'bends him' over, which causes compression of the L1 vertebral body. Nearly anybody of any adult age would also suffer that injury.  Luck very much so too.  Oh, speaking of Luck, I can with confidence state that if Romo suffers this hit at any time-

 

 

he has a high probability of suffering an abdominal tear and a renal laceration as well.

 

 

 

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Why? Romo has had multiple surgeries on his back, it is a known issue that he has back problems.

 

 

None of Romo's back injuries were the same, or even in the same area.

Tony Romo back injuries -

1. Cyst removal
2. Herniated disc (Discectomy, many NFL players have this) L4-L5
3. Tranverse process fractures, not structural, no nerve damage potential, pain management, and he played through it and it heals on its own in time.
4. L1 compression fracture, vertebral body - this IS structural, but heals well without surgery, no medical indication for unplanned retirement once recovered.

Football is a collision sport.  All of these injuries (except cyst) were forced trauma in football action.  None of them are the same injury, nor in the same area.  I'd be more concerned about his multiple shoulder/clavicle (collarbone) injuries.  And even that doesn't get my BP up either. If Tony is full healed up from the compression fracture, he is good to go.  If he takes another huge hit, he could get hurt again.  But not because of these other injuries he has sustained before and recovered from.

 

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I would also say that people not in the NFL are far more brittle in MOST cases. The guys who play in the league are freaks of nature. You can't compare them to regular people, however once you start comparing them to eachother, then you can say okay, Tony Romo has an injury history, he is far more likely to injury than tons of quarterbacks. History speaks for itself. 

 

The guys in the league are well conditioned.  The Joe/Jane in a cubicle 8 hours, likely less so.  Would that make the susceptible to injury more? Maybe.. but it still takes tremendous trauma to injure folks Otherwise the orthopedic wards would be full of guys in their late twenties/thirties that got tripped in a pickup basketball game and suffered spine and knee fractures.  Just doesn't happen.  The forces that cause injury are likened to a car crash (A. Luck kidney injury, for one).

 

As far as recovery, there are slight differences, but it's not significant for the majority.  That's why expected recovery times can be estimated so well, volumes of info on the general public and athletes with the same injuries. I do expect slightly better results from professional athletes because of higher dedication to following the rehab schedule to get their job (NFL player) back. And they tends to seek the best specialists for their surgery and rehab.  Patient dedication is the 3rd factor.

 

Surgical expertise (technical excellence in the surgical procedure)

Trainer (rehab) expertise- top notch rehab trainer skilled in that/those injury (ies)

Patient (player) dedication to strictly following the rehab schedule

 

are the main factors.

 

I still feel Romo is no more susceptible to suffering back injuries any more than Luck is more susceptible to Kidney injuries.  They were both unfortunate to suffer hits that can and do cause those injuries, to most anyone.  But it wasn't anyone, it was them.  Now if I were to make wild speculations, I'd say Romo's tendencies to try to protect himself might allow damage to his clavicle, and Lucks tendency to land on his throwing arm in a certain way after delivering the ball and getting hit lends him to potentially more shoulder separations, and the potential complications that go with it. But, I digress.