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Rashaan Melvin

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Since we still havent signed a CB to play outside of vontae, how would you feel if melvin was the opening day starter? he did play pretty well last year

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As I said in the other thread he is on his to be starter quality but not quite their yet

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Honestly, I don't expect much from this year. We have too many holes. So he can't get much worse then what we had last year!

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I'm willing to bet and hoping that Ballard will be bringing in a talented CB to start alongside Davis in the early rounds. This is a very good class for corners and safeties.

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I'm good with Melvin getting a shot to start. I don't expect much in FA but I think we could see a couple of CB's from the draft. A guy like Auzie day 2 then a guy who slides to day 3. 

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I say let the man compete.

 

I do not say give him the job.

 

Every man needs to earn their spot, including Davis. Draft someone in 1-3 and let's see who the best football player is.

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If the majority of fans had an issue with Toler and Robinson, I have no idea why Melvin would be considered acceptable.

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He actually did decent with the lack of pass rush.. but it's hard to judge who did good until we get a better rush..yet we clearly can see Robinson/green did not deserve to be covering anyone lol 

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Melvin is decent depth... I don't want to go into the season with him starting on the outside, but he had some good games last season. Worth a roster spot, imo. 

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4 hours ago, will426 said:

He actually did decent with the lack of pass rush.. but it's hard to judge who did good until we get a better rush..yet we clearly can see Robinson/green did not deserve to be covering anyone lol 

He made some plays last year and has good size. Like you said, it's really hard to judge, due to lack of pass rush. At very least, he can provide good depth, should we lose starters due to injuries.

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5 hours ago, Superman said:

Melvin is not good. 

Yeah I don't know where people are getting this from he was getting beat alot last season

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8 hours ago, CR91 said:

Since we still havent signed a CB to play outside of vontae, how would you feel if melvin was the opening day starter? he did play pretty well last year

 

The only way Melvin will be the opening day starter is if a rash of injuries hit in training camp.  I am sure they will be taking at least 1 CB in the draft, and likely more than that.

 

So to your question - I would not feel very good about it.

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I don't think he'll be the starter come week 1. I think that honour will go to a draft pick. I wouldn't hate it if he was at all. Always good to get someone like him some starting experience in a year where we aren't expecting huge dividends. Although I fully expect CB to take advantage of this loaded corner class.

 

In the end Melvin played well enough last year to be in the conversation for a starting spot imo.

 

 

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6 hours ago, CheezyColt said:

If the majority of fans had an issue with Toler and Robinson, I have no idea why Melvin would be considered acceptable.

melvin is paid like a below average talent, the other two not so much.

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He'll compete hard in training camp and make the young guys we draft(at least 2 corners) work for their starting jobs. Maybe in sub packages if we take a corner that can move inside to the slot. 

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2 hours ago, VaAllDay757 said:

Yeah I don't know where people are getting this from he was getting beat alot last season

Playing beside Robinson can make anyone look good

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Just draft a couple CB's, get some UDFA's, and see who takes it.


If you think about it it wouldn't be much different from most other years anyways. We usually get so decimated there that we end up seeing guys we've almost never heard of.

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Melvin is nothing more than depth at cb. We can get a better option as a starter with one of our 4th rd picks if not earlier. 

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4 hours ago, VaAllDay757 said:

Yeah I don't know where people are getting this from he was getting beat alot last season

This is the nature of the Colts forum. People get man crushes on project players and purely rotational guys with this idea that every guy has some untapped potential to be a solid starter. I'd be concerned if we opened up with Melvin as the starting CB opposite Vontae.

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I feel safe that we will draft a good CB prospect.
Melvin could be the best available on opening day but...
 I agree that Melvin showed some coverage and tackling skill.
And you never know what you really have at CB unless you can pressure the QB consistently.

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Anyone remember when Jacob Lacey had a decent rookie season?  How was he for the next few years?  I wouldn't mind Melvin, but I'd prefer to bring in another player (preferably through the draft).

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Melvin may not be the future...but his performance mirrors what you can go buy on the open market, save a few tier 1 guys.

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If we go into the season with Melvin as our second corner-even if they draft a rookie, I'd be worried. There's no depth, and the few talented guys we have (Geathers and Davis) are prone  to injury. I know it's a stacked corner class, and I fully believe we can get quality players deep into day 2 even day 3, but they'd be rookies. Gonna need some time.

 

I don't trust Melvin, at all. And if Davis gets hurt/regresses again this year than they'd be in a lot of trouble.

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Ballard is all about competition at every spot. There is no way we go into the season in a situation where Melvin is basically guaranteed to start. What is more likely is that we have atleast 1 (or maybe 2!) CBs drafted in the first four rounds that will compete with everyone to start. 

 

Ballard is not joking about this competition thing and I love it. Even if that means bringing in a ton of guys that might or might not be good, competition is never a bad thing. Bring in a late round TE to compete with Swoope, Bring in a late round or UDFA Safety to compete with Green. Bring in a RB from the draft and several in UDFAs to compete with our current guys, etc....

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I have to believe we're taking a corner in either the 1st or 2nd round and we plan to have that player start opposite Vonte....

 

And I think that's the right thing to do. 

 

I thought we'd sign a quality FA corner,  but we didn't....   so that ship has sailed.     We wisely brought Butler back,  but he's our slot guy.

 

I like Melvin...   6'2" and 195,  he's got the body....   And since I don't think he's got great athleticism,  what I like is that he's feisty...     he competes like mad....    he never seems to give up on a play.    I like that in a corner.   But he may have a ceiling where he's only our 4th corner.     At this point,  I don't see him as a starter,   but I would LOVE to be proven wrong.     I'd be happy if he was the surprise of camp and proves to be more than I think he is.     I think he belongs on a roster and can play,   I just don't think he's CB1 or CB2.

 

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14 hours ago, Superman said:

Melvin is not good. 

he isn't bad.  

 

 

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Ballard will draft 2 CBs next month.

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Melvin is a good #4 Corner, nothing more. 

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I view him as an ok #4 CB and good #5 CB....I agree with NCF, he plays mad and I like that in a player.

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2 hours ago, DougDew said:

Ballard will draft 2 CBs next month.

 

I was hoping he wouldn't have to.

 

I was hoping he'd sign a FA corner and then only need to take one corner in the draft.

 

We have so many needs that I don't like using two picks on corners....   of course, the silver lining is that this is a great class for corners,  so there is that....

 

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20 hours ago, Superman said:

Melvin is not good. 

 

You and I have been having this dance for some time,  and I'm not saying you're wrong and I'm right.....   I'm not saying that at all......       But what I am saying is you might want to HOPE that I'm right and you're wrong about Melvin or someone else.....     

 

Why?

 

Because, as I noted in another post,  I thought we'd sign a FA corner and it doesn't look like we will.     So, I just went through our current roster and it's my view that after Vonte,  Melvin is the 2nd best corner.

 

Here are the cast of suspects:

 

-- Vonte Davis

-- Charles James

-- Rashan Melvin

-- Christopher Milton

-- Tevin Mitchell

-- Darryl Morris

-- Larry Scott

-- Frankie Williams

 

So, I'm asking you....     if you don't like Melvin,  who, OTHER THAN VONTE, do you like to make the 53 man roster?      Seriously,  who?      And I didn't list Butler even though he maybe our slot corner.

 

So, I see Vonte...   and not much else if you don't like Melvin.     Who is going to play CB2?    If you think Butler is CB3,   who plays CB4 and CB5?    

 

Do you want/expect Ballard to spend TWO draft picks on corners?     At least THIS appears to be the draft to do it.      Who is going to fill all those spots opposite Vonte....    where are they coming from?

 

Does it now appear that Corner is our number one pressing need in this draft?      I often like to say there are lots of moving parts here but suddenly,  if you're right and I'm wrong,   we have a serious shortage of quality bodies....

 

Your thoughts.....

 

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For all the talk of the need at edge rusher, CB is more of an immediate need. We basically have to take one in the first or 2nd round. You probably have to draft 2.

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Melvin is average..he could start, but only if we dont find someone better..even if we signed him...hopefully its not because we needed a CB2 and saw him as the solution.

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Deepest CB class in forever, and you think we're going to start the season with Vontae and Melvin. Come on. 

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On ‎3‎/‎17‎/‎2017 at 11:53 PM, CR91 said:

Since we still havent signed a CB to play outside of vontae, how would you feel if melvin was the opening day starter? he did play pretty well last year

He is ok but he's not a full time starter he is a good backup plan that's it.

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Melvin is a good backup. While Ballard was with KC, they drafted CB's every year, it seemed to be a position he (they) feel strongly about. I expect the Colts to draft a couple of corners and would not be suprised if we take one at 15.

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He's OK as a 4th....FOURTH Corner. He IS NOT a starter. He's not even good enough to be our number 3. He's a 4th corner, but honestly I'd rather have a couple young guys as our 3rd and 4th corners than Melvin

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19 hours ago, NewColtsFan said:

 

You and I have been having this dance for some time,  and I'm not saying you're wrong and I'm right.....   I'm not saying that at all......       But what I am saying is you might want to HOPE that I'm right and you're wrong about Melvin or someone else.....     

 

Why?

 

Because, as I noted in another post,  I thought we'd sign a FA corner and it doesn't look like we will.     So, I just went through our current roster and it's my view that after Vonte,  Melvin is the 2nd best corner.

 

Here are the cast of suspects:

 

-- Vonte Davis

-- Charles James

-- Rashan Melvin

-- Christopher Milton

-- Tevin Mitchell

-- Darryl Morris

-- Larry Scott

-- Frankie Williams

 

So, I'm asking you....     if you don't like Melvin,  who, OTHER THAN VONTE, do you like to make the 53 man roster?      Seriously,  who?      And I didn't list Butler even though he maybe our slot corner.

 

So, I see Vonte...   and not much else if you don't like Melvin.     Who is going to play CB2?    If you think Butler is CB3,   who plays CB4 and CB5?    

 

Do you want/expect Ballard to spend TWO draft picks on corners?     At least THIS appears to be the draft to do it.      Who is going to fill all those spots opposite Vonte....    where are they coming from?

 

Does it now appear that Corner is our number one pressing need in this draft?      I often like to say there are lots of moving parts here but suddenly,  if you're right and I'm wrong,   we have a serious shortage of quality bodies....

 

Your thoughts.....

 

 

I think Melvin is fine for depth. He's big and he can run, but he's not a good man corner. If we played more zone, he'd be a very good fit. Evidently the staff is more impressed with him than I am. I know we disagree, but I don't have high hopes for Melvin, not as a full time player. I hope I'm wrong.

 

As for the plan, I wouldn't mind if we draft a couple corners, with this draft having so many good prospects. I would have liked for us to sign a starter quality free agent -- my target would have been Kayvon Webster, who joined Wade Phillips with the Rams. I probably would have kept Robinson, playing him only at nickel. 

 

We don't have enough at corner, I agree. If Melvin winds up being in the top 4, I'll think Ballard didn't do a good job at corner this offseason. 

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