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[21isSuperman]

Darius Butler:

 

 

[Superman]

Updated OP. Still pending details on Al Woods. 

[dw49]

On 3/17/2017 at 11:59 AM, Superman said:

Updated OP. Still pending details on Al Woods. 

 

If Holder is accurate , maybe about 16-17 mill left figuring the draft and keeping 3-4 mill on hand ? I'm thinking unless we signed Hankins who is said to be asking way too much money , we'll have a pretty good carry over. Same looks to be true for at least 8-9 other teams. 

[Superman]

3 hours ago, dw49 said:

 

If Holder is accurate , maybe about 16-17 mill left figuring the draft and keeping 3-4 mill on hand ? I'm thinking unless we signed Hankins who is said to be asking way too much money , we'll have a pretty good carry over. Same looks to be true for at least 8-9 other teams. 

 

We need a corner.

[dw49]

1 hour ago, Superman said:

 

We need a corner.

 

That's an understatement . We have V Davis who is on the injury list every week. Hip .. then an ankle .. then a foot and then a groin. Nice player but it's been like this for 2 years and when 7-8 year vets start this "trend" , often it just doesn't end. After him we have Melvin who I would call a #4 CB. Butler can't play outside and they plan on playing him at safety.  I guess when you consider Robinson was either hurt or terrible other than a couple weeks , it's much like last year ? 

 

Draft is rich in DB's but we need a pass rusher , NT a future RB and another TE wouldn't hurt. I guess just too many holes too fill in 1 year. It's said to be a deep draft and one trade back would give us 8 picks.

[2006Coltsbestever]

1 hour ago, Superman said:

 

We need a corner.

We could trade for Richard Sherman. I am not really serious but we could??

[dw49]

6 minutes ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

We could trade for Richard Sherman. I am not really serious but we could??

 

 

Trade and draft looks to be about it ? Shields has serious concussion issues and Flowers is the wrong side of 30. I don't see a lot left in free agency but maybe I'm missing a player or 2 ?

[2006Coltsbestever]

25 minutes ago, dw49 said:

 

 

Trade and draft looks to be about it ? Shields has serious concussion issues and Flowers is the wrong side of 30. I don't see a lot left in free agency but maybe I'm missing a player or 2 ?

I would love to pair Sherman up with Vontae but the Seahawks would probably want a bunch of high picks for him. He is only 29.

[dw49]

1 hour ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

I would love to pair Sherman up with Vontae but the Seahawks would probably want a bunch of high picks for him. He is only 29.

 

 

Might make a lot of sense if our roster were a bit better . He's under contract for 2 years at 11 mill per season , so not bad there. But still pretty iffy considering we are probably a couple years from contending. 

[Superman]

Added Sean Spence http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/indianapolis-colts/sean-spence-9896/

[bababooey]

Already updated by @Superman on the front page for Butler but a little more info:

 

Per Aaron Wilson, Darius Butler 3M, 1.5M bonus, 2.5M guaranteed, salary 1M guaranteed, 31,250 per game active, 1.5M Pro Bowl-PT, interception incentive

[Superman]

8 minutes ago, bababooey said:

Already updated by @Superman on the front page for Butler but a little more info:

 

Per Aaron Wilson, Darius Butler 3M, 1.5M bonus, 2.5M guaranteed, salary 1M guaranteed, 31,250 per game active, 1.5M Pro Bowl-PT, interception incentive

 

Because of the incentives, I'm noting his cap hit as $4.5m. I doubt he hits them all, but might as well account for them now.

[bababooey]

2 minutes ago, Superman said:

 

Because of the incentives, I'm noting his cap hit as $4.5m. I doubt he hits them all, but might as well account for them now.

Definitely, especially since it is a one year deal, there is no reason not to include non-guaranteed money.

[bababooey]

On 3/19/2017 at 3:49 PM, Superman said:

 

 

On 3/19/2017 at 0:35 PM, dw49 said:

 

If Holder is accurate , maybe about 16-17 mill left figuring the draft and keeping 3-4 mill on hand ? I'm thinking unless we signed Hankins who is said to be asking way too much money , we'll have a pretty good carry over. Same looks to be true for at least 8-9 other teams. 

 

On 3/19/2017 at 3:49 PM, Superman said:

 

We need a corner.

 

Didn't mean to quote Superman twice but just wanted to inform you guys in case you didn't know that WFAN in NY reported the Giants currently have the highest contract offer out to resign Hankins but he still wants more. I would not count him coming here but the Giants probably did not see themselves resigning JPP and Hankins this offseason either so never say never.

[Coltfreak]

Down to 13.604 million left  to sign FA's not counting the Brandon Williams contract

[bababooey]

Kamar Aiken on a one year deal. Not sure of the $ yet.

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[dw49]

On 3/20/2017 at 5:59 PM, Coltfreak said:

Down to 13.604 million left  to sign FA's not counting the Brandon Williams contract

 

 

I don't think there's much more (of significance) that Ballard's interested in doing. If he wanted he could create more room by looking at Jones and even Ayers. Plus he could turn some of those roster bonuses into signing bonuses. I know most are aware of this , I'm just making a point that if he wanted to sign players like Brown or Hankins , cap room really is not a deal breaker.

[Coltfreak]

2 minutes ago, dw49 said:

 

 

I don't think there's much more (of significance) that Ballard's interested in doing. If he wanted he could create more room by looking at Jones and even Ayers. Plus he could turn some of those roster bonuses into signing bonuses. I know most are aware of this , I'm just making a point that if he wanted to sign players like Brown or Hankins , cap room really is not a deal breaker.

we gained a couple million from Pat retiring too

[Superman]

Not official, but it's something on Aiken:

 

 

[stitches]

 

[shasta519]

1 hour ago, stitches said:

 

 

Not bad at all. I thought it would be considerably more. 

[Superman]

Added Fortunato, no details, I'm assuming rookie minimum, and he'll have no meaningful impact on cap status. Weird signing, IMO. 

 

Updated with details on Aiken, still waiting on Woods. Once Woods' cap hit is known, I'm going to do a full calculation.

 

[dw49]

13 minutes ago, Superman said:

Added Fortunato, no details, I'm assuming rookie minimum, and he'll have no meaningful impact on cap status. Weird signing, IMO. 

 

Updated with details on Aiken, still waiting on Woods. Once Woods' cap hit is known, I'm going to do a full calculation.

 

 

 

Figure 2.5 and get off your butt....

[Superman]

7 minutes ago, dw49 said:

 

 

Figure 2.5 and get off your butt....

 

What if it's 3? Then I have to go back and do it all over again, adjusting for that .5. I have to maximize my resources...

[dw49]

14 minutes ago, Superman said:

 

What if it's 3? Then I have to go back and do it all over again, adjusting for that .5. I have to maximize my resources...

 

 

Can't we just subtract 500K and be done ?  BTW you had a good call on the type FA's Ballard would sign.  Aiken deal was about right , we figured like 6.5 for 2 years which probably would have been pretty close to the # if it were a 2 year deal.

[bababooey]

Fortunato is a very weird signing.

 

Art Jones has been released. 5.15 mil Cap savings per Mike Chappell.

[Superman]

Just updated. To get @dw49 to stop calling me a lazy bum, I estimated Woods at $2.5m and Fortunato at $500k. 

 

Until we get details stating otherwise, the Colts have approximately $25.6m remaining cap space.This does not include in season buffer or practice squad. It does include draft picks.

[dw49]

24 minutes ago, Superman said:

Just updated. To get @dw49 to stop calling me a lazy bum, I estimated Woods at $2.5m and Fortunato at $500k. 

 

Until we get details stating otherwise, the Colts have approximately $25.6m remaining cap space.This does not include in season buffer or practice squad. It does include draft picks.

 

 

You appear to be right on spotrac numbers ... not the higher over the cap . No actually you are a little higher than Spotrac as they appear to have 25.4 without Woods ? But there are other factors that adjust that final # here and there I think. Good job and thank you.

[BlueShoe]

Unofficial Roster/Depth Chart as of 03/25/2017:

 

Defensive Backs
Vontae Davis	CB	5'11"	207	Illinois
Darius Butler	S	5'10"	188	Connecticut
T.J. Green	S	6'3"	205	Clemson
Duke Williams	S	5'11"	201	Nevada
Clayton Geathers	S	6'2"	220	Central Florida
Rashaan Melvin	CB	6'2"	193	Northern Illinois
Darryl Morris	CB	5'10"	188	Texas State
Tevin Mitchel	CB	6'0"	183	Arkansas
Matthias Farley	S	5'11"	210	Notre Dame
Stefan McClure	S	5'11"	205	California
Christopher Milton	CB	5'11"	190	Georgia Tech
Frankie Williams	CB	5'9"	190	Purdue
Lee Hightower	S	6'2"	200	Houston
Charles James II	CB	5'9"	185	Charleston Southern
Larry Scott	CB	5'11"	194	Oregon State
Andrew Williamson	S	6'1"	212	Vanderbilt
Defensive Line
Kendall Langford	DE	6'6"	305	Hampton
Henry Anderson	DT	6'6"	300	Stanford
Hassan Ridgeway	DT	6'3"	317	Texas
Al Woods	NT	6'4"	307	LSU
David Parry	DT	6'2"	310	Stanford
Margus Hunt	DE	6'8"	295	SMU
Kristjan Sokoli	DE	6'5"	300	Buffalo
T.Y. McGill	DT	6'0"	310	North Carolina State
Linebackers
Jabaal Sheard	OLB	6'3"	265	Pittsburgh
Barkevious Mingo	OLB	6'4"	240	LSU
Antonio Morrison	ILB	6'1"	235	Florida
John Simon	OLB	6'1"	260	Ohio State
Akeem Ayers	OLB	6'3"	255	UCLA
Sean Spence	ILB	5'11"	231	Miami (Fla.)
Edwin Jackson	ILB	6'0"	230	Georgia Southern
Lavar Edwards	OLB	6'4"	275	LSU
Deiontrez Mount	OLB	6'5"	249	Louisville
Curt Maggitt	OLB	6'3"	250	Tennessee
Deon King	ILB	6'1"	230	Norfolk State
Luke Rhodes	ILB	6'2"	242	William & Mary
Alex Bazzie	LB	6'1"	229	Marshall
Offensive Line
Ryan Kelly	C	6'4"	313	Alabama
Anthony Castonzo	T	6'7"	311	Boston College
Jack Mewhort	T/G	6'6"	312	Ohio State
Joe Haeg	T	6'6"	304	North Dakota State
Le'Raven Clark	T	6'5"	319	Texas Tech
Denzelle Good	T/G	6'5"	355	Mars Hill
Brian Schwenke	C/G	6'3"	315	California
Austin Blythe	C	6'3"	298	Iowa
Fahn Cooper	T	6'5"	306	Mississippi
Jeremy Vujnovich	T	6'5"	300	Louisiana College
Adam Redmond	G	6'6"	290	Harvard
Isiah Cage	T	6'5"	312	Wis.-Eau Claire
Quarterbacks
Andrew Luck	QB	6'4"	240	Stanford
Stephen Morris	QB	6'2"	218	Miami FL
Scott Tolzien	QB	6'2"	213	Wisconsin
Running Backs
Frank Gore	RB	5'9"	217	Miami (FL)
Robert Turbin	RB	5'10"	225	Utah State
Josh Ferguson	RB	5'10"	200	Illinois
Tight Ends
Jack Doyle	TE	6'6"	267	Western Kentucky
Erik Swoope	TE	6'5"	257	Miami (FL)
Brandon Williams	TE	6'3"	247	Oregon
Wide Recievers
T.Y. Hilton	WR	5'9"	180	Florida International
Donte Moncrief	WR	6'2"	222	Mississippi
Kamar Aiken	WR	6'2"	215	Central Florida
Phillip Dorsett	WR	5'10"	185	Miami
Chester Rogers	WR	6'1"	180	Grambling State
Devin Street	WR	6'3"	200	Pittsburgh
Quan Bray	WR	5'10"	186	Auburn
Marcus Leak	WR	6'0"	210	Maryland
Tevaun Smith	WR	6'2"	205	Iowa
Special Teams
Adam Vinatieri	K	6'0"	206	South Dakota State
Jeff Locke	P	6'0"	195	UCLA
Matt Overton	LS	6'1"	243	Western Washington
Joe Fortunato	LS	6'5"	240	Delaware
Devon Bell	K	6'2"	193	Mississippi State

[dw49]

On 3/24/2017 at 1:58 PM, Superman said:

Just updated. To get @dw49 to stop calling me a lazy bum, I estimated Woods at $2.5m and Fortunato at $500k. 

 

Until we get details stating otherwise, the Colts have approximately $25.6m remaining cap space.This does not include in season buffer or practice squad. It does include draft picks.

 

 

Did you realize that it looks to be every dime of guaranteed money for all new contracts including Doyle and Sheard only has guaranteed money in year one ? None of the 2017 signings had cap implications past 2017.

[Superman]

14 hours ago, dw49 said:

Did you realize that it looks to be every dime of guaranteed money for all new contracts including Doyle and Sheard only has guaranteed money in year one ? None of the 2017 signings had cap implications past 2017.

 

Yup. No guarantees beyond Year 1, no cap penalties if anyone is cut. 

 

Only Aiken and Williams received signing bonuses, but they both have one year deals, so there's no issue there. 

Edited March 27, 2017 by Superman

[dw49]

1 minute ago, Superman said:

 

Yup. No guarantees beyond Year 1, no cap penalties if anyone is cut. 

 

Sheard I think is the key to this FA class. Did you read the piece in Stampede Blue ? If true , he played lights out in 2015 but not so great in 2016. Hopefully last year was just "messed" up ? But if we get the Sheard that's not so good , we just say adios ?

[bababooey]

21 minutes ago, dw49 said:

 

Sheard I think is the key to this FA class. Did you read the piece in Stampede Blue ? If true , he played lights out in 2015 but not so great in 2016. Hopefully last year was just "messed" up ? But if we get the Sheard that's not so good , we just say adios ?

I think John Simon is going to be the biggest FA in this class but both together I'm pretty happy about.

[dw49]

Just now, bababooey said:

I think John Simon is going to be the biggest FA class but both together I'm pretty happy about.

 

Oh.. I agree with you. I think he's ( Simon) the best singing by far. I was just saying the biggest "gamble" or "question mark"we made was the Sheard signing. He could be worth the 8 mill or he could be a bad signing. That's why I considered him the "key" to a good offseason.

[dw49]

14 minutes ago, Superman said:

 

Yup. No guarantees beyond Year 1, no cap penalties if anyone is cut. 

 

Only Aiken and Williams received signing bonuses, but they both have one year deals, so there's no issue there. 

 

Yeah .. not even a small guaranteed roster bonus in any of those deals. 

[Superman]

15 minutes ago, dw49 said:

 

Sheard I think is the key to this FA class. Did you read the piece in Stampede Blue ? If true , he played lights out in 2015 but not so great in 2016. Hopefully last year was just "messed" up ? But if we get the Sheard that's not so good , we just say adios ?

 

Definitely, if he's not even close to 2015, he can't stay. He has a guarantee trigger on the 5th day of the 2018 league year. 

 

If he's back to his 2015 form -- which is the level at which he played at times in Cleveland -- then he'll be our primary Rush backer. He's not good enough to be the primary Rush backer for a good defense, so we're still deficient, but he can help, for sure. I really just see him as a younger Walden, maybe better, since Walden only had good sack production in one season. 

[dw49]

16 minutes ago, Superman said:

 

Definitely, if he's not even close to 2015, he can't stay. He has a guarantee trigger on the 5th day of the 2018 league year. 

 

If he's back to his 2015 form -- which is the level at which he played at times in Cleveland -- then he'll be our primary Rush backer. He's not good enough to be the primary Rush backer for a good defense, so we're still deficient, but he can help, for sure. I really just see him as a younger Walden, maybe better, since Walden only had good sack production in one season. 

 

Yes , he's not the answer to our pass rush woes but if he plays well , he'll help. As to the Walden comparison , I think if he plays up to what he did in previous "good years" , he sets the edge better than Walden ?

[Superman]

1 minute ago, dw49 said:

 

Yes , he's not the answer to our pass rush woes but if he plays well , he'll help. As to the Walden comparison , I think if he plays up to what he did in previous "good years" , he sets the edge better than Walden ?

 

I think he's probably more disciplined on the edge than Walden, but I don't think they used him primarily on the weak or strong side. We almost always put Walden on the strong side, especially on early downs. But if Sheard is more consistent setting the edge against varied alignments, then if we're going to play him on the weak side mostly (assuming Simon is the Sam, and he definitely is more disciplined and consistent setting the edge than Walden), it should make his job a little easier, in theory.

[Coltfreak]

Here is how our cap has it now......

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$167.000m = NFL 2017 Salary Cap
$006.614m = Colts 2016 Cap Roll-Over
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$173.614m = Colts 2017 Adjusted Salary Cap


$135.230m = Top 51 Current Salaries (Estimating $2.5m for Al Woods)
$008.576m = Dead Money
$006.322m = 2017 Draft Pool
$001.080m = Spots #52 and #53 on active roster
$001.200m = Practice Squad
$003.000m = In-Season "Churn" Space
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$155.408m = Current Obligations

$018.206m = Free Cap Space to Sign NEW Free Agents  now......