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I believe if all Colts fans were polled, the consensus would be the Colts need to draft at least one Edge Rusher. 

 

So chances are very high that we draft at least one of the players listed below. 

 

How do you rank them, in terms of best fit for the Colts? Do you have a sleeper? Derek Rivers would probably be my sleeper right now, and maybe be available in the fourth round. He would be a nice compliment to drafting another Edge Rusher early (double them up).

 

Solomon Thomas is rising on boards. It is very possible that Myles Garrett, Solomon Thomas, and Taco Charlton will all be gone by #15. Garrett will probably be gone in the top 3 (And possibly taken at #1). Derek Barnett will probably be available at #15 and is also a "safe" pick. Then there is Takkarist McKinley who has tons of raw talent, but will have surgery and sit out 4-6 months. Maybe he falls into the second round, and we move up to the early second. 

 

Maybe Haason Reddick is a guy we could target.

 

I like Tim Williams, but it will depend a lot on his interview. I believe he has the talent to be worthy at #15, but it could be a risky first pick for a first-time GM.

 

Really, at this point I will not be upset if we used the first four rounds drafting nothing but Edge Rushers. While that is not at all likely, it does express how much I believe we need to improve our pass rush.

 

Anyone you want to add to the list? Maybe I am leaving someone out out of the conversation. There will definitely be more players listed as an Edge Rusher after the combine and Pro Days are completed, but here is my early list of Edge Rushers:

 

Myles Garrett EDGE 6'5" 270 Texas A&M
Solomon Thomas EDGE 6'3" 273 Stanford
Taco Charlton EDGE 6'6" 272 Michigan
Haason Reddick EDGE 6'2' 237 Temple
Tim Williams EDGE 6'4" 252 Alabama
Derek Barnett EDGE 6'3" 265 Tennessee
Takkarist McKinley EDGE 6'2' 265 UCLA
Charles Harris EDGE 6'3" 255 Missouri
Ryan Anderson EDGE 6'2' 258 Alabama
T.J. Watt EDGE 6'5" 243 Wisconsin
Carl Lawson EDGE 6'2' 253 Auburn
Demarcus Walker EDGE 6'4" 280 Florida St.
Jordan Willis EDGE 6'4" 255 Kansas St.
Noble Nwachukwu EDGE 6'2' 275 West Virginia
Dawuane Smoot EDGE 6'3" 255 Illinois
Ejuan Price EDGE 6'0" 255 Pittsburgh
Derek Rivers EDGE 6'4" 250 Youngstown St.
Hunter Dimick EDGE 6'3" 274 Utah
Dylan Donahue EDGE 6'3" 240 West Georgia
Devonte Fields EDGE 6'2' 236 Louisville
Josh Carraway EDGE 6'3" 241 TCU
Tashawn Bower EDGE 6'6" 253 LSU
Trey Hendrickson EDGE 6'4" 270 Florida Atlantic
Vince Biegel EDGE 6'3" 242 Wisconsin
Lewis Neal EDGE 6'2' 272 LSU
Keionta Davis EDGE 6'3" 274 Tennessee-Chattanooga
Darius English EDGE 6'6" 245 South Carolina

 

 

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I'd love to see us draft at least two, assuming they're the BPA at the time.  

 

I've kind of been ignoring Garrett and Thomas since they won't be there at 1.  

 

A good list list might be to rank them by expected round. 

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33 minutes ago, Smonroe said:

I'd love to see us draft at least two, assuming they're the BPA at the time.  

 

I've kind of been ignoring Garrett and Thomas since they won't be there at 1.  

 

A good list list might be to rank them by expected round. 

 

Yep. Definitely would like to see us draft at least two Edge Rushers. 

 

Mayock believes FSU's DeMarcus Walker, Ohio's Tarell Basham, Kansas State's Jordan Willis, or Villanova's Tanoh Kpassagnon are good fits for the Colts.

 

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000788115/article/2017-nfl-draft-mayocks-potential-team-fits-for-prospects

 

As far as ranking them by expected round to be drafted, I haven't got that far yet. :)

 

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-Reddick would play inside for us wouldnt he?

 

-Rivers probably wont make it out of the 2nd round.

 

-I'm fine with Charlton being gone, he;s risen basically for no reason in my eyes.

 

-I think Thomas has a chance to be a dominant player in the NFL.

 

-I'm a big fan of TJ Watt.  I have this uncomfortable feeling that the Pats take him though.

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1 hour ago, BlueShoe said:

 

Yep. Definitely would like to see us draft at least two Edge Rushers. 

 

Mayock believes FSU's DeMarcus Walker, Ohio's Tarell Basham, Kansas State's Jordan Willis, or Villanova's Tanoh Kpassagnon are good fits for the Colts.

 

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000788115/article/2017-nfl-draft-mayocks-potential-team-fits-for-prospects

 

As far as ranking them by expected round to be drafted, I haven't got that far yet. :)

 

 

Walker doesnt really make sense for a 3-4 team.  Then again what do I know.

 

Kpassagnon could be really good but he's a project.  We need guys who can contribute from day 1.

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I think I would be very happy if we draft 2 of those players.  If you hope to hit on 50% of your picks then you would hope that at least one of those guys would be a cornerstone on the edge for years, which would make me happy.

 

As far as the players and fit for the Colts, Garrett is obviously the stud of this class and he is a just a physical phenom.  He will be gone though.  Of the rest, I think the "safest" picks are probably Barnett and Thomas.  The problem with Barnett is he isn't really a fit in the Colts scheme and would have to re-learn some things to play 3-4.  At least Thomas played in and produced in a 3-4.  But I think Barnett could do it, and I think his production speaks for itself.  That would be a gamble though, but I want to emphasize I consider it a small one compared to a guy who is injured.

 

Really, anybody we get could help because there is literally NOBODY to rush the passer, especially if we don't keep Walden.

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7 minutes ago, BleedBlu8792 said:

 

Music to my ears... He's my favorite for #15

 

If Bremer is reporting first-hand knowledge then it sounds like Reddick has made a personal choice to transition to a 3-4 ILB. It doesn't mean he couldn't play outside in the 3-4. 

 

No matter what, Reddick is talented enough that he can make the choice. His ball skills will certainly help him inside. 

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Just now, BlueShoe said:

 

If Bremer is reporting the truth then it sounds like Reddick has made a personal choice to transition to a 3-4 ILB. It doesn't mean he couldn't play outside in the 3-4. 

 

No matter what, Reddick is talented enough where he can make the choice. His ball skills will certainly help him inside. 

 

Like I said in another quote.. I'm all for seeing this guy turn into a Jamie Collins type player for our defense.

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Just now, BleedBlu8792 said:

 

Like I said in another quote.. I'm all for seeing this guy turn into a Jamie Collins type player for our defense.

 

I like him in the blue and white no matter where he plays. He just flashes athleticism. We need a playmaker/difference-maker like that. 

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1 minute ago, BlueShoe said:

 

I like him in the blue and white no matter where he plays. He just flashes athleticism. We need a playmaker/difference-maker like that. 

 

Now it would be exceptional if we could trade back a handful of spots, grab another pick, and still get him...

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1 minute ago, BleedBlu8792 said:

 

Now it would be exceptional if we could trade back a handful of spots, grab another pick, and still get him...

 

I am not sure he will be there at #15. Would be risky to trade back and expect him to still be there. 

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27 minutes ago, Archer said:

The combine solidified Takk as my guy.  I think that Bowser proved his athleticism to me: I'm gonna call him the poor man's Reddick at ILB...

 

Thats funny - I'm 180 degrees from you.  

 

We knew Takk had speed.  But he literally failed to follow instructions and didn't perform three of the drills correctly today.  I saw maybe 5 total mistakes today from all participants.  And three were by Takk.  That makes me really worry about his ability to be coached, attention to detail, whatever you want to call it.  And he's as raw technique-wise as they come.  And that doesn't get into his shoulder.   I came away the exact opposite as you - pre-combine I was a huge Takk guy.  Today, I wouldn't draft him at 15.  

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1 minute ago, Dirty Mudflaps said:

 

Thats funny - I'm 180 degrees from you.  

 

We knew Takk had speed.  But he literally failed to follow instructions and didn't perform three of the drills correctly today.  I saw maybe 5 total mistakes today from all participants.  And three were by Takk.  That makes me really worry about his ability to be coached, attention to detail, whatever you want to call it.  And he's as raw technique-wise as they come.  And that doesn't get into his shoulder.   I came away the exact opposite as you - pre-combine I was a huge Takk guy.  Today, I wouldn't draft him at 15.  

I was just looking for athleticism in those drills.  I see your point about his mistakes, but his numbers impressed me more than his drills turned me off...

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this is my rank so far

 

1. Tim Williams

2. Takarist McKinley

3. Demarcus Walker

4. Charles Harris

5. Ryan Anderson

6. Hassan Reddick

7. Edjuan Price

8. Derrick Barnett

9. Taco Charlton

Its' not like everyone else, and it's no point mentioning Myles at our spot.

 

I think Hasan and Ryan are tied, but have two completey different strength. Ryan would be a better fit for us.

 

I really like Harris more than McKinley, mac is just so much faster. He is not going to help us in the run...but he will definitely be a assest for pass rush. I think Tim, Walker, Harris, Anderson can help us in the pass rush and run defense, that's why I like them the most.

 

I will likely make a sleeper list for next week.

 

The guy Hunter from Utah may be a sleeper, But I cant find any good vids on him. Can anybody help. Maybe there is another player on the D that has a few videos, or a Team defense vs a Team offense condensed video?

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Two guys who will move up the boards VERY fast after today:

 

Jordan Willis and Derek Rivers.

 

With the numbers they put up; I doubt they drop out of the early second round. Willis is might be a first round pick now. 

 

Their forty and 3 Cone combination is off the charts. Plus they have prototypical size. 

 

Jordan Willis EDGE 6'4" 255 Kansas St. 4.53 6.85
Derek Rivers EDGE 6'4" 250 Youngstown St. 4.61 6.94

 

These dudes are not sneaking up on anybody anymore.

 

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32 minutes ago, Dirty Mudflaps said:

 

Thats funny - I'm 180 degrees from you.  

 

We knew Takk had speed.  But he literally failed to follow instructions and didn't perform three of the drills correctly today.  I saw maybe 5 total mistakes today from all participants.  And three were by Takk.  That makes me really worry about his ability to be coached, attention to detail, whatever you want to call it.  And he's as raw technique-wise as they come.  And that doesn't get into his shoulder.   I came away the exact opposite as you - pre-combine I was a huge Takk guy.  Today, I wouldn't draft him at 15.  

 

I agree.

 

His 7.48 (3 Cone) is NOT good for a player who wants to have a career at RUSH. 

 

He was already lacking the height, and he needed an impressive combine to make up for it.

 

After today, I would take Jordan Willis or Derek Rivers over Takkarist McKinley.

 

At this point, I am not sure I would draft McKinley at all to play in our system. 

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32 minutes ago, Dirty Mudflaps said:

 

Thats funny - I'm 180 degrees from you.  

 

We knew Takk had speed.  But he literally failed to follow instructions and didn't perform three of the drills correctly today.  I saw maybe 5 total mistakes today from all participants.  And three were by Takk.  That makes me really worry about his ability to be coached, attention to detail, whatever you want to call it.  And he's as raw technique-wise as they come.  And that doesn't get into his shoulder.   I came away the exact opposite as you - pre-combine I was a huge Takk guy.  Today, I wouldn't draft him at 15.  

That's not surprising. He is more like a freeney or mathis. He just goes. You don't need to be smart. They just need to let him know, when he got to slow down and set the edge and he will be fine.

 

His playmaking ability trumps all that at his position.

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11 minutes ago, Freeupfreeney said:

That's not surprising. He is more like a freeney or mathis. He just goes. You don't need to be smart. They just need to let him know, when he got to slow down and set the edge and he will be fine.

 

His playmaking ability trumps all that at his position.

Well that's a perspective I hadn't really thought about.  Well said.  And great post.  I would say though, that I'd want him to play some OLB and that's going to require some ability to learn coverages and reads.   I mean, I don't think the 3-4 Colts can afford a pin back your ears guy on a defense with so many problems.  Heck, Freeney is a FA, just sign him for a year and play him on third downs.  

 

That said, if you were to tell me he'd be Freeney or Mathis, I'd take him at 15 all day every day.  But I don't see that level of production.  

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I'm actually starting to lean towards Trey Hendrickson of Florida Atlantic as I digest the combine #s.  Ran a 4.65 at 266 lbs., with a 1.59 10-yd split and a 7.03 3-cone.  Add in a respectable 33.5" vertical and a 10'2" long jump, and you've got a good basket of physical traits.  He was also described as unblockable at East-West Shrine.  Wonder if we could get him in the third...

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With there being so much depth in this EDGE class, and the dire need for us to add an effective Pass Rush, I think it behooves CB to select at least 2 pass rush specialist or more. Not only EDGE Defenders. Here a list of prospects I'd Draft to add to our QB pressures.

 

Reddick - Would be a Phenomenal Pick at - #15 & can play Inside or Outside Backer.

Tak - Beast of an ATHLETE and can contribute once he's healthy.- #15 would be Awesome

M. Adams - Has sick agility for a DLineman & gets after the QB, as well stuffs the Run game .- 2nd Round or later if lucky

J. Jones - Can knife through the OLine and disrupt the Offense in the Run & Pass game. Should be available late due to injury concerns, but is worth a later "project" Pick. 3rd Round is optimistic but can be a STEAL.

Willis - His 3-cone time flashes, as did the measurables w/ the forty-time. -2nd Round or later (unlikely)

Kpassagnon - Has great length and is a good athlete. Looks like he sheds or tosses OLineman and causes disruptions. 3rd Round would be good value.

 

-OVERALL, I don't really care just who the selections are more than their being able to get Us to more Wins, add pressure to the Offense & keep points off the scoreboard for opposing teams. That's why I hope we select and Pass Rusher and a CB with Our 1st & 2nd Round Picks. There's a lot of prospects that I left off the list but some of them will be gone by #15 and some I feel will be drafted before our 2nd Round selection. The main point with this list to illustrate that we can provide QB pressure with Our DLineman as well as EDGE Defenders. I wouldn't be surprised if CB brings in Poe or drafts a NT that can attack in BOTH phases of the Offense.

 

 

 

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 SO many fantastic athletes in this class. 
We'll start with Myles Garrett, who could've skipped half his Combine and still been considered an All Pro level athlete. Only two players in the history of advanced metrics since 1999 have had as high an Explosion score: Sheldon Rankins and Mario Williams. He grades out as an All Pro in every category relatively easily.
Carl Lawson measured All Pro level in 3 categories, no lower than long term starter. 
Daeshon Hall grades out as a Pro Bowler or better in 5/6 categories, long term starter in another.
Derek Rivers grades out as an All Pro in 3/6 categories and a long term starter in the other 3.
Haason Reddick grades out as an A All Pro in 4/6 categories and a Pro Bowler in the other 2. Great day for him.
Jordan Willis blew the roof off of Lucas Oil, posting All Pro level athletic statistics in every single category. He's one of the first DE's to ever do that, joining Ziggy Ansah and Vic Beasley Jr. Amongst notables.
Joining Willis in a perfect 6/6 was Solomon Thomas, who had a fantastic day compared to other DE's (as well as vs. DT's) showing he can play any position on the DL.
Tarell Basham had a nice day, measuring All Pro level in 4/6 categories, Pro Bowl level in one category and Long Term Starter in 1 category. 
Finally, Trey Hendrickson is not to be forgotten after putting up All Pro level stats in 5/6 categories and long term starter level in the 6th. 
The worst days go to Taco Charlton, who was given an Epic Fail/Bust rating in Speed (however he tested amongst the best DT's in the last 20 years overall as consolation), Pita Taumopenu who had an Epic Fail/Bust grade in Explosion and  Garrett Sickles, who also had an Epic Fail/Bust grade in Explosion. 
Taco Charlton is also one of the only EDGE Rushers to have below average grades in all three athletic categories, joining Charles Harris, Bryan Cox Jr. Al Quadin Muhammad, Josh Carraway and Ken Ekanam. Harris performed more favorably compared to the LB's and as mentioned earlier, Taco had much more favorable stats compared to DT's.

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6 minutes ago, Archer said:

I'm actually starting to lean towards Trey Hendrickson of Florida Atlantic as I digest the combine #s.  Ran a 4.65 at 266 lbs., with a 1.59 10-yd split and a 7.03 3-cone.  Add in a respectable 33.5" vertical and a 10'2" long jump, and you've got a good basket of physical traits.  He was also described as unblockable at East-West Shrine.  Wonder if we could get him in the third...

 

Trey is certainly going to rise fast. He may have become a second rounder today. Or even higher.

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7 minutes ago, Majin Vegeta said:

Just heard TJ watt say the one word that defines his play is -- GRITT. If he lasts to the 2nd, it's all but gauranteed he will be a Colt. 

haha He could play either OLB position in our scheme. I wasn't a fan before, but after his Combine, I'd be on board with him in round 2.

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6 minutes ago, backshoulderfade said:

Barnett put up great numbers while sick. Best bend in the draft. Good hands. Good against the run.

 

Derek Barnett surprised me. I once saw him as a "safe" pick. Now I see that him as a borderline explosive player. The 6.96 (3 Cone) is just plain awesome at 265 pounds. He has the 6'3" height which is close enough to prototypical. The only negative is the 4.88 forty, but the dude was sick. If he improves on his forty at his Pro Day then it will get very interesting. 

 

During his forty, the cameras showed Pagano, and he was certainly paying very close attention. 

 

He has to be on our radar. 

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30 minutes ago, Majin Vegeta said:

 SO many fantastic athletes in this class. 
We'll start with Myles Garrett, who could've skipped half his Combine and still been considered an All Pro level athlete. Only two players in the history of advanced metrics since 1999 have had as high an Explosion score: Sheldon Rankins and Mario Williams. He grades out as an All Pro in every category relatively easily.
Carl Lawson measured All Pro level in 3 categories, no lower than long term starter. 
Daeshon Hall grades out as a Pro Bowler or better in 5/6 categories, long term starter in another.
Derek Rivers grades out as an All Pro in 3/6 categories and a long term starter in the other 3.
Haason Reddick grades out as an A All Pro in 4/6 categories and a Pro Bowler in the other 2. Great day for him.
Jordan Willis blew the roof off of Lucas Oil, posting All Pro level athletic statistics in every single category. He's one of the first DE's to ever do that, joining Ziggy Ansah and Vic Beasley Jr. Amongst notables.
Joining Willis in a perfect 6/6 was Solomon Thomas, who had a fantastic day compared to other DE's (as well as vs. DT's) showing he can play any position on the DL.
Tarell Basham had a nice day, measuring All Pro level in 4/6 categories, Pro Bowl level in one category and Long Term Starter in 1 category. 
Finally, Trey Hendrickson is not to be forgotten after putting up All Pro level stats in 5/6 categories and long term starter level in the 6th. 
The worst days go to Taco Charlton, who was given an Epic Fail/Bust rating in Speed (however he tested amongst the best DT's in the last 20 years overall as consolation), Pita Taumopenu who had an Epic Fail/Bust grade in Explosion and  Garrett Sickles, who also had an Epic Fail/Bust grade in Explosion. 
Taco Charlton is also one of the only EDGE Rushers to have below average grades in all three athletic categories, joining Charles Harris, Bryan Cox Jr. Al Quadin Muhammad, Josh Carraway and Ken Ekanam. Harris performed more favorably compared to the LB's and as mentioned earlier, Taco had much more favorable stats compared to DT's.

 

Which site are you using? 

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8 minutes ago, BleedBlu8792 said:

haha He could play either OLB position in our scheme. I wasn't a fan before, but after his Combine, I'd be on board with him in round 2.

 

He definitely bettered my perception of him. Would be a great pick in the 2nd. 

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