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I think it seems to be a forgone conclusion that his value is as high as it will ever get. Who and what do you think they offer to get him. Seems NE is in for a nice payout for drafting the kid.

 

Is Clevelands #12 too high? Do they trade back into the 20's and then offer for him? Would it take an early 2nd from say SF plus some other picks maybe in 4th and 5th? Sometimes I think NE values multiple picks over just a high one. What does everyone think will happen. Somehow the rich get richer. I mean theres a reason for that but maybe we could ask Goodell to turn the NFL into a socialistic system so they could share the wealth with the rest of us lol.

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1 hour ago, braveheartcolt said:

Perhaps teams will be scared off re the Matt Cassell principle. Or even the Brock fiasco.......his resume is just too brief.

This.

 

A top of round 2 pick would make the Patriots happy. A top of round 3 pick maybe all that someone might end up giving.

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A first round pick for a bust. When has a backup QB ever been traded for success in a franchise? We realized that QBs who play for New England are system QBs. But obviously we will always have the dumb, desperate teams like Browns, Bills, or Texans giving up their picks or huge money for a bust.

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Osweiler was at Denver behind Peyton 4 years, was taken in round 2 at #57.  Garrapolo wa behind Brady 3 years, taken round 2 at pick #62.  Someone gave the first guy 18 million.  Will the #12 be enough?  Will the #1 and #12 do it?  Is it worth the risk for Cleveland, or do they fall in love with someone in college?  ???  :dunno:

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14 minutes ago, ColtsBlueFL said:

Osweiler was at Denver behind Peyton 4 years, was taken in round 2 at #57.  Garrapolo wa behind Brady 3 years, taken round 2 at pick #62.  Someone gave the first guy 18 million.  Will the #12 be enough?  Will the #1 and #12 do it?  Is it worth the risk for Cleveland, or do they fall in love with someone in college?  ???  :dunno:

 

14 minutes ago, ColtsBlueFL said:

Osweiler was at Denver behind Peyton 4 years, was taken in round 2 at #57.  Garrapolo wa behind Brady 3 years, taken round 2 at pick #62.  Someone gave the first guy 18 million.  Will the #12 be enough?  Will the #1 and #12 do it?  Is it worth the risk for Cleveland, or do they fall in love with someone in college?  ???  :dunno:

I thought RG3 was the QB of the 2012 draft.......

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54 minutes ago, ColtsBlueFL said:

Osweiler was at Denver behind Peyton 4 years, was taken in round 2 at #57.  Garrapolo wa behind Brady 3 years, taken round 2 at pick #62.  Someone gave the first guy 18 million.  Will the #12 be enough?  Will the #1 and #12 do it?  Is it worth the risk for Cleveland, or do they fall in love with someone in college?  ???  :dunno:

 

#1 and #12???  That is too much for a guy who has played just a few games. The most one should give for him is one first round pick (#12) or perhaps a couple of mid-round picks (2nd-3rd rounds).

 

BTW, teams would be smart to draft a QB almost every year to develop and trade for future picks (like Cassell, Kevin Kolb, and others). I know that you wanted the Colts to draft Sean Manion a couple of years ago. I wanted Kevin Hogan for the Vikes. Do you like anyone this year? Anyone have an opinion on Peterman from Pitt? 

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6 minutes ago, NFLfan said:

 

#1 and #12???  That is too much for a guy who has played just a few games. The most one should give for him is one first round pick (#12) or perhaps a couple of mid-round picks (2nd-3rd rounds).

 

BTW, teams would be smart to draft a QB almost every year to develop and trade for future picks (like Cassell, Kevin Kolb, and others). I know that you wanted the Colts to draft Sean Manion a couple of years ago.  Do you like anyone this year? Anyone have an opinion on Peterman from Pitt? 

 

Agree 100% I've been saying this. With good scouting you'll hit on one in the 4th or 5th one year or another. Or at least appear to have hit big one and steal a high round pick or 2 lol. But yeah. I'd be nice if the Colts had taken a Prescott, Wilson, Cousins, etc in the 3rd-4th or so. We could have gotten maybe two 1sts. At least a 1 and a 2.

 

 

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27 minutes ago, NFLfan said:

 

#1 and #12???  That is too much for a guy who has played just a few games. The most one should give for him is one first round pick (#12) or perhaps a couple of mid-round picks (2nd-3rd rounds).

 

Oh I agree, but Cleveland is in dire straits for a QB!  If anybody would meet that price, it should be them.  On the other hand, what did Minnesota give the Eagles for Bradford?  A 1st and next year conditional 4th might be the asking price.   Would that do it?  Is Jimmy G. potentially better or worse than Bradford?  Osweiler got (over)paid... so many things in play here...

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As for JG. I think the kid actually has some potential to be a really good starting QB. A guy who could lead a team to the playoffs. Like say Andy Dalton or somebody like that. I'd say they end up with a 1st for him. Especially with Cleveland having two 1st rounders. JG is better than the QB's coming out so I mean.......Final guess. Jimmy Garapolo to Browns for the Browns number 12 overall pick and a 4th round pick.

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20 minutes ago, COLTS449 said:

 

Agree 100% I've been saying this. With good scouting you'll hit on one in the 4th or 5th one year or another. Or at least appear to have hit big one and steal a high round pick or 2 lol. But yeah. I'd be nice if the Colts had taken a Prescott, Wilson, Cousins, etc in the 3rd-4th or so. We could have gotten maybe two 1sts. At least a 1 and a 2.

 

 

You won't get approval for that from the natives here.  We already have Luck and too many holes to fill... you'll hear.  Which isn't false...  so..

 

I was for getting Sean Mannion on .the club, also for snagging Mike Glennon before that.  Neither of which we got.  Now Winston and the Bucs will lose Glennon.  I'll bet he'll get Holdout Ryan Fitzpatrick money, too; if not approaching Osweiler's deal.   I just hope the Colts shore up Luck's protection, because we aren't getting a capable backup QB, unless we luck into the next Tom Brady...

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1 minute ago, ColtsBlueFL said:

You won't get approval for that from the natives here.  We already have Luck and too many holes to fill... you'll hear.  Which isn't false...  so..

 

I was for getting Sean Mannion on .the club, also for snagging Mike Glennon.  Neither of which we got.  Now Winston and the Bucs will lose Glennon.  I'll bet he'll get Holdout Ryan Fitzpatrick money, too; if not approaching Osweiler's deal.   I just hope the Colts shore up Luck's protection, because we aren't getting a capable backup QB, unless we luck into the next Tom Brady...

 

Don't get me wrong. With the holes we have to fill I wouldn't take a QB until our 2nd 4th rounder, and it'd have to be a guy I thought had some true potential.

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17 minutes ago, COLTS449 said:

As for JG. I think the kid actually has some potential to be a really good starting QB. A guy who could lead a team to the playoffs. Like say Andy Dalton or somebody like that. I'd say they end up with a 1st for him. Especially with Cleveland having two 1st rounders. JG is better than the QB's coming out so I mean.......Final guess. Jimmy Garapolo to Browns for the Browns number 12 overall pick and a 4th round pick.

A first, for 94 pass attempts in professional football. Ouch.

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7 minutes ago, COLTS449 said:

 

Don't get me wrong. With the holes we have to fill I wouldn't take a QB until our 2nd 4th rounder, and it'd have to be a guy I thought had some true potential.

 

Same here, but those guys go earlier than expected.

 

Glennon was round 3 at pick #73   in 2013

Mannion was round 3 at pick #89 in 2015

 

 

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2 minutes ago, braveheartcolt said:

A first, for 94 pass attempts in professional football. Ouch.

 

Bravehart. Bro. you got to admit that Garappolo has looked good when he's played. And if you know football you can see he has the potential to be a very good starting QB.

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The Pats are going to get a 1 and something else....

 

Or maybe several 2's,  but I believe it will be a 1 plus more.

 

Why?

 

Because whatever Garrapollo is or isn't,  he's the best QB available.     He's likely better than anyone in the draft and more ready to play immediately.

 

Hard to put a price on that.        Yes, someone will overpay,  but that's what happens when QB is the most important position in the NFL and there are NOT 32 very good QB's who walk the earth.

 

So, you gamble....

 

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Ask the Texans then place your bets. You can bet NE will ask the mountain of hope for him. I can't guess if he'll go or stay, but if Bray gets huts late in the season and the back up is not one that can beat Oakland, KC or whoever. Poor Hoody, he has to choose from diamonds or gold. 

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1 hour ago, COLTS449 said:

 

Agree 100% I've been saying this. With good scouting you'll hit on one in the 4th or 5th one year or another. Or at least appear to have hit big one and steal a high round pick or 2 lol. But yeah. I'd be nice if the Colts had taken a Prescott, Wilson, Cousins, etc in the 3rd-4th or so. We could have gotten maybe two 1sts. At least a 1 and a 2.

 

 

 

If the Vikings had done that, they would not have had to trade a first and a fourth for Sam Bradford.

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2 hours ago, COLTS449 said:

As for JG. I think the kid actually has some potential to be a really good starting QB. A guy who could lead a team to the playoffs. Like say Andy Dalton or somebody like that. I'd say they end up with a 1st for him. Especially with Cleveland having two 1st rounders. JG is better than the QB's coming out so I mean.......Final guess. Jimmy Garapolo to Browns for the Browns number 12 overall pick and a 4th round pick.

Browns are desperate. Who knows what they will do....

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2 hours ago, NFLfan said:

 

#1 and #12???  That is too much for a guy who has played just a few games. The most one should give for him is one first round pick (#12) or perhaps a couple of mid-round picks (2nd-3rd rounds).

 

BTW, teams would be smart to draft a QB almost every year to develop and trade for future picks (like Cassell, Kevin Kolb, and others). I know that you wanted the Colts to draft Sean Manion a couple of years ago. I wanted Kevin Hogan for the Vikes. Do you like anyone this year? Anyone have an opinion on Peterman from Pitt? 

None of this makes sense in practice. How many 1st rounders have been useless recently? Finding a late round QB gem is very rare. And then getting them playing time to woo would be suiters is even more obscure....

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1 hour ago, braveheartcolt said:

None of this makes sense in practice. How many 1st rounders have been useless recently? Finding a late round QB gem is very rare. And then getting them playing time to woo would be suiters is even more obscure....

 

New England drafts a QB every 2 to 3 years. Even with Brady and Jimmy G on the roster, they drafted Brissett in the 3rd or 4th round this year. They traded Cassell and Mallett for draft picks. 

 

The Eagles drafted and developed Kevin Kolb and traded him for a 2nd rounder from Arizona. 

 

Green Bay has done it.

--Hasselbeck - Received 3rd Rd pick, plus moved up 7 spots in 1st Rd.

--Brunell - Jags gave 3rd and 5th round picks

 

SF drafted Kaep despite having Alex Smith. They traded Smith for 2 second round picks. 

 

Cincinnati could get a 2nd for A.J. McCarron

 

There are other examples that I cannot think of now but smart teams draft QBs to develop and trade them for picks or keep them on the roster in case the starter should go down with injury.

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4 hours ago, braveheartcolt said:

A first, for 94 pass attempts in professional football. Ouch.

What's the big deal. Teams spend a first every year on a qb with 0 NFL passes every year. Jimmy was highly regarded in the draft he was taken. Honestly he was my second favorite qb behind Carr that year. I thought it was a steal then. All he has done since then was tear up Arizona defense without Gronk and then he was blowing out Miami before he got hurt. Honestly he has gotten great coaching and had talent to begin with. One thing people overreact in my opinion when discussing Cassell was that he was that he never even played in college. Like I don't think he had a single rep. Jimmy has a lot more talent imo than anybody that has backed up TB before. I believe if people take off their NE hater glasses for a second they would admit that Jimmy is a very talented prospect that now has a lot of great NFL coaching under his belt. I think he is worth a late 1st (20s). I think it just depends on what NE wants in return because I think multiple teams want him. If I'm SF who has multiple picks in the later rounds 2 picks in rds 4,5,6, and 7 i package that 2 with say any number of those later picks to land him. That would allow NE to trade back out of the first like they often like and get more picks and still have two early first rd picks but with much cheaper salaries and they get what they always want which is stock piling lots of picks. Or perhaps they use that early 2nd and those later picks to move up into the mid 20s to give to NE as compensation. I do think 12 might be too high with Cleveland but they could trade back to say 20 and get maybe a 2nd before trading that 20 for him. Either way Garapolo I think is a much better prospect and a more finished one than anyone in this draft. I think he is someone you could build around.

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1 hour ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

He isn't anywhere near a franchise type QB, if the Pats get a 1st for him that would be hilarious. I am not sure any GM would do that. He wont be any better than Brock, why would Belichick trade him if he was any good? He wouldn't.

Because he will be a free agent in 18. He won't be able to keep him and Brady has easily 4 more years left.  (He ain't retiring until he has all Peyton's records broken) So...you can't keep him (too expensive to extend or re-sign) his value is highest so you trade him. He was a 2 already....I think he has proven that he was easily worth that and he could net a late 1st. He was highly regarded when he came out. The hard work is done. He has had great coaching...set behind the best qb of all time and when he has played he had lit it up. Compared to the QBs in this draft...a late 1st is a bargain in my mind.

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8 minutes ago, dgambill said:

Because he will be a free agent in 18. He won't be able to keep him and Brady has easily 4 more years left.  (He ain't retiring until he has all Peyton's records broken) So...you can't keep him (too expensive to extend or re-sign) his value is highest so you trade him. He was a 2 already....I think he has proven that he was easily worth that and he could net a late 1st. He was highly regarded when he came out. The hard work is done. He has had great coaching...set behind the best qb of all time and when he has played he had lit it up. Compared to the QBs in this draft...a late 1st is a bargain in my mind.

I could see a late 2nd round pick for him or an early 3rd, but a 1st round pick? I wouldn't do it.

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33 minutes ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

I could see a late 2nd round pick for him or an early 3rd, but a 1st round pick? I wouldn't do it.

This makes no sense. If he came out this year.. his college resume would make him a 1st round pick.. add in his limited PRO experience and he is a better option than any college QB. They also have a cheap year left with him before they have to pony up $$.. and that's appealing.. he will go for a 1st or B.B. will keep him.

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28 minutes ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

I could see a late 2nd round pick for him or an early 3rd, but a 1st round pick? I wouldn't do it.

He already was a 2nd rd pick! What makes you think his value has gone down? It's fine you don't like his talent I guess but I can't possibly see how his value has gone down. He played poised...accurate...athletic...what's not to like. Size maybe but I think we can say that this kid is worth every bit an early 2nd late 1st from what he showed in college and pros. Another is he is under contract. You don't have to pay a huge salary right away. Also if he is questionable you can tag him like Washington did Cousins so essentially you have two salary controlled years to evaluate in your system. He can start right away....and evaluate right away...you don't have to waste 3-4 years like you see Jags doing and still not know. He will step right in and you can move on quickly if your a GM and your not out much. These teams have plenty of picks...they have 0 QBs worthy of paying. Heck maybe even Chicago gives him a go. Fox is getting older and GM may be on hot seat. They need to win quickly to keep their jobs. Also Jimmy played at N Illinois.

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4 hours ago, NFLfan said:

 

New England drafts a QB every 2 to 3 years. Even with Brady and Jimmy G on the roster, they drafted Brissett in the 3rd or 4th round this year. They traded Cassell and Mallett for draft picks. 

 

The Eagles drafted and developed Kevin Kolb and traded him for a 2nd rounder from Arizona. 

 

Green Bay has done it.

--Hasselbeck - Received 3rd Rd pick, plus moved up 7 spots in 1st Rd.

--Brunell - Jags gave 3rd and 5th round picks

 

SF drafted Kaep despite having Alex Smith. They traded Smith for 2 second round picks. 

 

Cincinnati could get a 2nd for A.J. McCarron

 

There are other examples that I cannot think of now but smart teams draft QBs to develop and trade them for picks or keep them on the roster in case the starter should go down with injury.

The poster was implying hou should draft a QB regularly for trade bait, which is nonsense, and your story, while very imformative, doesn't support that theory. The vast majority draft for potential starterrs or backups, not to trade.

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3 hours ago, dgambill said:

What's the big deal. Teams spend a first every year on a qb with 0 NFL passes every year. Jimmy was highly regarded in the draft he was taken. Honestly he was my second favorite qb behind Carr that year. I thought it was a steal then. All he has done since then was tear up Arizona defense without Gronk and then he was blowing out Miami before he got hurt. Honestly he has gotten great coaching and had talent to begin with. One thing people overreact in my opinion when discussing Cassell was that he was that he never even played in college. Like I don't think he had a single rep. Jimmy has a lot more talent imo than anybody that has backed up TB before. I believe if people take off their NE hater glasses for a second they would admit that Jimmy is a very talented prospect that now has a lot of great NFL coaching under his belt. I think he is worth a late 1st (20s). I think it just depends on what NE wants in return because I think multiple teams want him. If I'm SF who has multiple picks in the later rounds 2 picks in rds 4,5,6, and 7 i package that 2 with say any number of those later picks to land him. That would allow NE to trade back out of the first like they often like and get more picks and still have two early first rd picks but with much cheaper salaries and they get what they always want which is stock piling lots of picks. Or perhaps they use that early 2nd and those later picks to move up into the mid 20s to give to NE as compensation. I do think 12 might be too high with Cleveland but they could trade back to say 20 and get maybe a 2nd before trading that 20 for him. Either way Garapolo I think is a much better prospect and a more finished one than anyone in this draft. I think he is someone you could build around.

You are the only one saying it's a big deal. And because you think highly of him means diddly squat to me, and probably most GM's. I do believe someone will give up a 1st for him, but desperation is not a rare thing in the NFL these days......

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44 minutes ago, braveheartcolt said:

You are the only one saying it's a big deal. And because you think highly of him means diddly squat to me, and probably most GM's. I do believe someone will give up a 1st for him, but desperation is not a rare thing in the NFL these days......

You acted like giving up a first for a guy that has only thrown 90 some passes was just crazy. All I was pointing out was they give up firsts with much less info to go off of. Fact was he was rated by many as the second best prospect the year he came out and I think he has proven in the little time he has played why that was. That's all I'm saying. I could easily see someone giving up a first or second and a package of picks. I just think there is a big difference from the cassell comparisons people throw out. Cassell didn't even play in college. This kid was a stud at N Illinois. I do like him and yes if I needed to turn my team around quickly to keep my job he would be the qb I'd target this offseason.

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1 hour ago, dgambill said:

You acted like giving up a first for a guy that has only thrown 90 some passes was just crazy. All I was pointing out was they give up firsts with much less info to go off of. Fact was he was rated by many as the second best prospect the year he came out and I think he has proven in the little time he has played why that was. That's all I'm saying. I could easily see someone giving up a first or second and a package of picks. I just think there is a big difference from the cassell comparisons people throw out. Cassell didn't even play in college. This kid was a stud at N Illinois. I do like him and yes if I needed to turn my team around quickly to keep my job he would be the qb I'd target this offseason.

Np. You make a fair point. My 'ouch' was more to say it would be a risk etc. But like a few on here, I do sometimes have an eye for the dramatic comment......

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Ok you guys have convinced me somewhat, he probably will get traded for a 1st but I am still not convinced playing outside of New England he will pan out. There really isn't any other intriguing QB's coming out with the exception of Watson, having said that if the Draft was coming up I doubt I would take Jimmy G in the 1st Round either. Probably somewhere in Round 2. - He was actually the 62nd pick of his Draft which is very late in Round 2.

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lol it really doesn't matter what they get from him.. they'll make any draft pick work on this team. Ya'll know it. Might as well give em a 1st rounder so at least we'll know the kid has hype coming out of college instead of another "Bill Belichick has turned rags to riches story!"

 

Sorry guys maybe I'm just too salty. I'll leave now

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2 hours ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

Ok you guys have convinced me somewhat, he probably will get traded for a 1st but I am still not convinced playing outside of New England he will pan out. There really isn't any other intriguing QB's coming out with the exception of Watson, having said that if the Draft was coming up I doubt I would take Jimmy G in the 1st Round either. Probably somewhere in Round 2. - He was actually the 62nd pick of his Draft which is very late in Round 2.

If I remember correctly, all the experts thought he was a steal when the Pats got him. (Someone with a better memory can verify lol) IMO QB's are always taking sooner than they should. So putting Jimmy G in with these QBs I would say he be the 1st or 2nd QB Taken. (Thus around the top 15)  that doesn't mean he is top 15 talent in the draft, just that teams draft QBs to early.

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2 minutes ago, JimJaime said:

If I remember correctly, all the experts thought he was a steal when the Pats got him. (Someone with a better memory can verify lol) IMO QB's are always taking sooner than they should. So putting Jimmy G in with these QBs I would say he be the 1st or 2nd QB Taken. (Thus around the top 15)  that doesn't mean he is top 15 talent in the draft, just that teams draft QBs to early.

I think a lot of it depends on whether or not teams think he can be franchise QB. Maybe the Browns do?

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