Per Alex Marvez Pagano will be back as HC in 2017 (merge)

[HungarianColtsFan]

Alex Marvez ‏@alexmarvez  18 p18 perccel ezelőtt

Source tells @sn_nfl that @Colts HC Chuck Pagano has received assurance from team owner Jim Irsay that he WILL return as HC for 2017 season

[adubb84]

Just now, HungarianColtsFan said:

Alex Marvez ‏@alexmarvez  18 p18 perccel ezelőtt

Source tells @sn_nfl that @Colts HC Chuck Pagano has received assurance from team owner Jim Irsay that he WILL return as HC for 2017 season

Oh boy....(grabs popcorn. Awaits for forum to implode)

[Mr.Debonair]

Oh no we suck again!!!

[achcolts]

Knew it. The speculation from all the silence was all just false hope

[HungarianColtsFan]

Just now, adubb84 said:

Oh boy....(grabs popcorn. Awaits for forum to implode)

 

It happens. I'm rather ambivalent with this news.

 

On one hand Pagano is a good guy and apparently players like him, continuity is important. On the other hand he is said to be a defense guru, his Ds here are among worse ones (NB he isn't working with players like Nagata or Ray Lewis). The team is widely inconsistent too. I'm a fence sitter...we shall see how it pans out.

[PeterBowman]

As I knew it..... THIS will be their make or break year.....But if they don't show improvement then I feel they'll both be gone.

[adubb84]

Just now, HungarianColtsFan said:

 

It happens. I'm rather ambivalent with this news.

 

On one hand Pagano is a good guy and apparently players like him, continuity is important. On the other hand he is said to be a defense guru, his Ds here are among worse ones (NB he isn't working with players like Nagata or Ray Lewis). The team is widely inconsistent too. I'm a fence sitter...we shall see how it pans out.

Good points. I'm just a bit unsure how I feel. The slow starts are what give me heart burn. If there aren't any candidates out there (that have actual interest) then there really isn't a point to make a change for the sake of making change. 

[krunk]

When are yall gonna realize the guy needs better than substandard athletes to run his D? Of course you will suck with nothing but low scale free agents and draft busts like Chapman heading your defense.

[krunk]

This is nothing different than the words that came off Irsays lips weeks ago. I believe Marvez. He reported on almost all of our coaching hires in the offseason last year.

[adubb84]

1 minute ago, krunk said:

When are yall gonna realize the guy needs better than substandard athletes to run his D? Of course you will suck with nothing but low scale free agents and draft busts like Chapman heading your defense.

Are you insinuating that Grigson is the one that is let go instead? If they are both retained then I would HOPE they fully address the defense, especially at LB....lord knows we need it

[Defjamz26]

No news on Grigson though huh? If this turns out to be true I wonder what Irsay will say about the silence. He can't openly say he tried to get a new HC but didn't get the guy he wanted.

[HungarianColtsFan]

5 minutes ago, adubb84 said:

Good points. I'm just a bit unsure how I feel. The slow starts are what give me heart burn. If there aren't any candidates out there (that have actual interest) then there really isn't a point to make a change for the sake of making change. 

 

I thought nothing would change since read an article on stampedeblue.com about Manning refusing GM role yet.

I couldn't think of any legit HC candidates out of McDaniels, but he is a hot candidate and might have plenty offers.

 

Tough...Pagano/Grigson need really to show up now!

[Derakynn]

Figured as much. Improvement can be seen in Ryan Grigson's work. Can't really say the same about coaching. Hopefully there is a wake up call to change some things. Not sure I'm all that optimistic that will occur. 

[HungarianColtsFan]

1 minute ago, Defjamz26 said:

No news on Grigson though huh? If this turns out to be true I wonder what Irsay will say about the silence. He can't openly say he tried to get a new HC but didn't get the guy he wanted.

 

Alex Marvez ‏@alexmarvez  31 p31 perccel ezelőtt

Alex Marvez retweetelte: Andrew Bogusch

Haha. Nothing on Grigson but I would be more surprised if he's fired than if he's retained. Jim Irsay likes him a lot & wants him to succeed

[Indeee]

Until the Colts themselves come out and say this I'm not buying it. If this was case all along a small announcement could have been made by now. A vote of confidence for next year from our owner yet this wasn't the case. This "RUMOR" could be just an opposite reaction to all the "something is going on" speculation everyone and their mother has been speculating.

[adubb84]

2 minutes ago, HungarianColtsFan said:

 

 

Tough...Pagano/Grigson need really to show up now!

Agreed. They need a Hell of a plan for success going into next year. First sign of failure will throw the fan base into a frenzy. 

[krunk]

9 minutes ago, adubb84 said:

Are you insinuating that Grigson is the one that is let go instead? If they are both retained then I would HOPE they fully address the defense, especially at LB....lord knows we need it

No. Grigson made those mistakes early on as a Novice to the role. Now that reality has opened his eyes he has done better. I expect he will do another solid job with the draft this year. He has learned for the most part. Chuck ain't that bad either. You can only do so well playing with substandard part and holes all over the team. The results will naturally be up and down until you get the team balanced out. Hell Saban, Gruden, or Harbaugh would have problems with all the different parts of this team that need maintenance. That's hard to coach with a line that don't block and a defense that doesn't defend. I think it forces you into a bombs away mentality from the opening snap. Both of them certainly have room to improve though.

[adubb84]

1 minute ago, krunk said:

No. Grigson made those mistakes early on as a Novice to the role. Now that reality has opened his eyes he has done better. I expect he will do another solid job with the draft this year. He has learned for the most part. Chuck ain't that bad either. You can only do so well playing with substandard part and holes all over the team. The results will naturally be up and down until you get the team balanced out. Hell Saban, Gruden, or Harbaugh would have problems with all the different parts of this team that need maintenance. That's hard to coach with a line that don't block and a defense that doesn't defend.

As people (fanatics) who truly understand what deficiencies our team has ^ this make sense. However, selling this brain trust to causal fans another year of both is going to be a hard sell. Irsay needs to say something to to calm the nerves of many

[adubb84]

Just now, adubb84 said:

As people (fanatics) who truly understand what deficiencies our team has ^ this make sense. However, selling this brain trust to causal fans another year of both is going to be a hard sell. Irsay needs to say something to calm the nerves of many

 

[NannyMcafee]

I have no expectations for this team anymore. I tend to laugh when we fail horribly on certain plays. Hopefully this staff has grown from the last 2 seasons, and we can have a successful draft with needs like pass rusher and linebacker along with the oline. 

 

But its like I said. I have no expectations anymore. 

[deedub75]

Lord I hope this fake news.  

[will426]

Man if this is the case we better splurge on the defensive side of the ball or they better bring in some top level linemen to keep luck standing in FA..and the draft better be strictly defense other than a Rb and a guard 

[Restored]

2 minutes ago, deedub75 said:

Lord I hope this fake news.  

Have a feeling it's not. Marvez is pretty reliable.

 

I think Irsay is planning to give Grigson and Pagano one more year. Miss the playoffs again and he will fire both. Grigson and Pagano are in a prime spot to atleast do that this coming season.

[jameszeigler834]

43 minutes ago, HungarianColtsFan said:

Alex Marvez ‏@alexmarvez  18 p18 perccel ezelőtt

Source tells @sn_nfl that @Colts HC Chuck Pagano has received assurance from team owner Jim Irsay that he WILL return as HC for 2017 season

Oh great another terrible season next year irsay is a *.

[Susie Q]

10 minutes ago, deedub75 said:

Lord I hope this fake news.  

Sorry it was on WTHR 13 News just now. 

[jameszeigler834]

Just now, Restored said:

Have a feeling it's not. Marvez is pretty reliable.

 

I think Irsay is planning to give Grigson and Pagano one more year. Miss the playoffs again and he will fire both. Grigson and Pagano are in a prime spot to atleast do that this coming season.

IF these two * were capable of winning they would have done it by now.

[bababooey]

VERY excited to be a laughing stock again

[Bravo]

Yay!

 

Here comes another 8-8 season where they should have been better and "the ball just doesn't bounce their way...."

 

LOL what a joke.

[jameszeigler834]

27 minutes ago, Derakynn said:

Figured as much. Improvement can be seen in Ryan Grigson's work. Can't really say the same about coaching. Hopefully there is a wake up call to change some things. Not sure I'm all that optimistic that will occur. 

One good draft doesn't make up for 3 sucky ones in a row.

[Dustin]

Looks like 8-8 is on back on the menu boys!

[Indeee]

Wow, I'm appalled. This has to be based on fact that:

 

1) Manning, as reported, wasn't ready to be a GM or

2) Saban and possibly Harbough already turned Irsay down behind the scenes

 

Chud and Monachino better get canned then, along with our strength coaches

[Ratking]

I wouldn't be surprised if chucky and his agents leaked this rumor to force Irsays hand to come out in public to either support or dumb him. 

[pgt_rob]

I knew that at least another year was on the plate. Just a feeling.

[deedub75]

We will never be a 12-4 or 13-3 team battling for a 1 or 2 seed with this group. I guess Irsay is ok with just battling for the division. His fondness for those 2 baffle me and seems to go beyond football. 

[csmopar]

30 minutes ago, Indeee said:

Until the Colts themselves come out and say this I'm not buying it. If this was case all along a small announcement could have been made by now. A vote of confidence for next year from our owner yet this wasn't the case. This "RUMOR" could be just an opposite reaction to all the "something is going on" speculation everyone and their mother has been speculating.

This^

[TDewar1987]

Well, here goes. Let's all just hope they nail the draft and FA and get some game changers. I think Pags would be alright if he had some good talent on defense besides Vontae Davis and Eric Walden having a year. 

[Shive]

2 minutes ago, bababooey said:

VERY excited to be a laughing stock again

I think Cleveland has that locked up, not to mention the 13 teams that finished with worse records than us..

 

1 minute ago, jameszeigler834 said:

One good draft doesn't make up for 3 sucky ones in a row.

When that draft was you most recent one, it shows improvement. Grigson was a rookie GM coming in and happened to have a good 1st draft. This most recent draft shows that he's learned and did a much better job.

 

Just now, Indeee said:

Wow, I'm appalled. This has to be based on fact that:

 

1) Manning, as reported, wasn't ready to be a GM or

2) Saban and possibly Harbough already turned Irsay down behind the scenes

 

Chud and Monachino better get canned then, along with our strength coaches

1) Nowhere near ready. You have to realize that Elway had a decade of Front Office experience before stepping into his current role.

2. Saban is a legendary college HC and was a terrible NFL HC. Hard pass. Harbaugh isn't leaving. Stop the obsession.

3. You don't fire coordinators after just one season. That's shortsighted and does more harm than help. It takes years for players to fully learn a scheme.

 

Anyone upset at this news has nobody to blame but yourselves for hyping up the possibility of them getting fired, despite Irsay saying a few weeks ago that he wasn't going to make changes.

 

I believe that is why he never said anything. He already addressed it and it's not his fault that you torch and pitchfork holders just didn't like what you heard and assumed you'd later get the answer you wanted to hear.

 

It makes perfect sense not to fire them this year, just 1 season removed from their extensions. If he wanted to fire them, last season would have been it. I do believe that if they can't get it done next season, they're gone.

[Somewhere ovr the Waynebow]

50 minutes ago, krunk said:

When are yall gonna realize the guy needs better than substandard athletes to run his D? Of course you will suck with nothing but low scale free agents and draft busts like Chapman heading your defense.

The issues I have with Pagano honestly don't have anything to do with the defense.  It's the slow starts,  general inconsistency,  poor game management (weird timeouts)  and overall conservative mindset. We've heard all along that he is too soft with the players,  and we've got another report this off-season saying that the team lacks accountability and the players want more.  

 

That's all reason enough to move on from him in my eyes.  I agree the defensive issues aren't entirely on him,  however,  they need to be more aggressive.  They bltized much more (and more creativity)  under manusky than under Monachino (Pagano's guy.)  

[corgi]

*throws a toaster in the pool* "Jump in everyone, the water feels great!"

[lollygagger8]