PFF Grades and Position Ranks

[bigt]

Pretty much back ups what everyone has been saying as far as who impressed today.

 

https://grades.profootballfocus.com/#/ratings/matchup/show?homeTeamId=14&awayTeamId=16

 

 

 

[NewColtsFan]

4 minutes ago, bigt said:

Pretty much back ups what everyone has been saying as far as who impressed today.

 

https://grades.profootballfocus.com/#/ratings/matchup/show?homeTeamId=14&awayTeamId=16

 

 

 

 

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[SkyBane]

2 minutes ago, NewColtsFan said:

 

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-Luck given player of the game. Graded as near perfect

 

Top 5 offensive Grades:

QB Andrew Luck, 85.8

TE Jack Doyle, 78.8

WR T.Y. Hilton, 77.5

C Ryan Kelly, 76.5

RB Frank Gore, 73.8

 

Top 5 defensive Grades:

CB Darius Butler, 83.9

CB Patrick Robinson, 83.0 

NT T.Y McGill, 78.4

CB Vontae Davis, 78.2

OLB Eric Walden, 75.4

Other notes: Pass Pro was knocked as a continued weakness, with PFF grading Luck on being pressured on over half of his drop backs. The corners were listed as having a standout day, even though the pass rush was dreadful (only 10 pressures on 40 dropbacks for Mariotta)

 

Speaking of, Mariotta was graded dismally, having low accuracy, with over a 60 point drop in his QB rating on the 7 pressures he wasn't sacked. The Titan's pass rush performed admirably, but wasn't up to the task of masking a bad performance by their coverage squad, particularly LB's Sean Spence and Avery Williamson, who got torched, giving up 9 for 9 resulting in 88 yards and a touchdown.

 

That's the gist of it. I think.

[Yoshinator]

Ryan Kelly is looking solid every week, such a good pick. Glad to see Doyle perform at a high level as well. If Robinson can do this every week, we'll be good at CB, that question is IF. Relatively good game overall, besides blowing a double digit lead at one point. Hopefully Mewhort is back next week.

[Smoke317]

Sometimes I'm left scratching my head at the PFF grades...  I thought our lined performed admirably vs a top 10 defense on the road. Yeah Luck took 2 sacks and had 5 QB hits but that's not that bad. The two sacks came when we went looking for more deeper shots down the field. Also we couldn't run the ball as well as other games but more often than not we got the yards needed when we needed to get them. But again this was a top 10 defense in their house. Now maybe the quick passing attack covered up some flaws in our protection but that's what it was supposed to do. Overall I thought our entire line played very well. I do agree about Butler. Vontae as well. The tackling was solid from both. The way they were cutting Murray's legs out from under him reminded me of Colonel Bob Sanders. A couple hits like that and any running back will start to dance in fear of that heat seeking missile blasting through your knees.... lol. 

[SkyBane]

7 minutes ago, Smoke317 said:

Sometimes I'm left scratching my head at the PFF grades...  I thought our lined performed admirably vs a top 10 defense on the road. Yeah Luck took 2 sacks and had 5 QB hits but that's not that bad. The two sacks came when we went looking for more deeper shots down the field. Also we couldn't run the ball as well as other games but more often than not we got the yards needed when we needed to get them. But again this was a top 10 defense in their house. Now maybe the quick passing attack covered up some flaws in our protection but that's what it was supposed to do. Overall I thought our entire line played very well. I do agree about Butler. Vontae as well. The tackling was solid from both. The way they were cutting Murray's legs out from under him reminded me of Colonel Bob Sanders. A couple hits like that and any running back will start to dance in fear of that heat seeking missile blasting through your knees.... lol. 

Id say the big knock they are taking on the pass pro is the 17 recorded pressures on 43 drop backs, as in the line allowed pressure on 40% of drop backs according to their figures.

[bigt]

31 minutes ago, Jared Cisneros said:

Ryan Kelly is looking solid every week, such a good pick. Glad to see Doyle perform at a high level as well. If Robinson can do this every week, we'll be good at CB, that question is IF. Relatively good game overall, besides blowing a double digit lead at one point. Hopefully Mewhort is back next week.

I was most impressed with the fact that Edwin Jackson and Akeem Ayers are the highest rated linebackers.  None of the other linebackers are even close.  I hope they continue to improve. Even if they plateau and stay where they are, they will still make solid backups.

[Smoke317]

6 minutes ago, SkyBane said:

Id say the big knock they are taking on the pass pro is the 17 recorded pressures on 43 drop backs, as in the line allowed pressure on 40% of drop backs according to their figures.

True but that's a top 10 defense and we've got a young line.... when they brought pressure around the edges Luck was able to escape up the middle or out the sides. So it wasn't often clean and immediate pressure. Our guys held up long enough for Luck to escape. 2 sacks and 5 QB hits. Nowhere near perfect but against the game  wreckers they had over there I think they held up well. Certainly helped that we didn't go max protect and force Doyle or our backs to have to block them and confusing our line on who to pick up. Also taking away Lucks quick safety valves in Gore, Doyle, Swoope, and Turbin. Let em come and we'll pick their LB's and Safeties apart. 

[Yoshinator]

Just now, bigt said:

I was most impressed with the fact that Edwin Jackson and Akeem Ayers are the highest rated linebackers.  None of the other linebackers are even close.  I hope they continue to improve. Even if they plateau and stay where they are, they will still make solid backups.

Absolutely, any help we can get is good help in the linebacking core. Always the draft next year to get the elite guys. We just need players right now lol.

[Yoshinator]

Just now, Smoke317 said:

True but that's a top 10 defense and we've got a young line.... when they brought pressure around the edges Luck was able to escape up the middle or out the sides. So it wasn't often clean and immediate pressure. Our guys held up long enough for Luck to escape. 2 sacks and 5 QB hits. Nowhere near perfect but against the game  wreckers they had over there I think they held up well. Certainly helped that we didn't go max protect and force Doyle or our backs to have to block them and confusing our line on who to pick up. Also taking away Lucks quick safety valves in Gore, Doyle, Swoope, and Turbin. Let em come and we'll pick their LB's and Safeties apart. 

Hey smoke, who gave up the 1 sack today?

[Smoke317]

1 minute ago, bigt said:

I was most impressed with the fact that Edwin Jackson and Akeem Ayers are the highest rated linebackers.  None of the other linebackers are even close.  I hope they continue to improve. Even if they plateau and stay where they are, they will still make solid backups.

Both stood out to me. I still think DQ Jackson is a good veteran presence but McNary needs to go back to strictly special teams. Morrison too. Edwin Jackson needs more reps. He hits HARD. 

[Smoke317]

1 minute ago, Jared Cisneros said:

Hey smoke, who gave up the 1 sack today?

For us?

[SkyBane]

3 minutes ago, bigt said:

I was most impressed with the fact that Edwin Jackson and Akeem Ayers are the highest rated linebackers.  None of the other linebackers are even close.  I hope they continue to improve. Even if they plateau and stay where they are, they will still make solid backups.

 

1 minute ago, Jared Cisneros said:

Absolutely, any help we can get is good help in the linebacking core. Always the draft next year to get the elite guys. We just need players right now lol.

The fact that this is the conversation about the linebackers in a 34 scheme makes me a very sad panda lol.

[Yoshinator]

Just now, Smoke317 said:

For us?

Yes, someone said the Titans got a sack against us. I must of missed it when watching the game.

[Yoshinator]

Just now, SkyBane said:

 

The fact that this is the conversation about the linebackers in a 34 scheme makes me a very sad panda lol.

Nice South Park reference lol.

[bigt]

1 minute ago, Smoke317 said:

Both stood out to me. I still think DQ Jackson is a good veteran presence but McNary needs to go back to strictly special teams. Morrison too. Edwin Jackson needs more reps. He hits HARD. 

I seriously wouldn't hold it against Grigs if he took 2 ILB's and 2 edge rushers in the 1st 4 rounds of next years draft.  Let the secondary and defensive line ride with what we have next year.  Maybe take some flyers on some RB's and Dlinemen in the later rounds.

[bigt]

3 minutes ago, Smoke317 said:

For us?

I thought it was Good, but I may be wrong.  I heard my wife cussing him on the sack so I assume it was him.

[Yoshinator]

Just now, bigt said:

I seriously wouldn't hold it against Grigs if he took 2 ILB's and 2 edge rushers in the 1st 4 rounds of next years draft.  Let the secondary and defensive line ride with what we have next year.  Maybe take some flyers on some RB's and Dlinemen in the later rounds.

That'd work well for me. We have to get this linebacking core straightened out. BTW, we will probably have two 4th round picks due to the Coby Fleener comp pick. So that helps even more.

[Yoshinator]

Just now, bigt said:

I thought it was Good, but I may be wrong.  I heard my wife cussing him on the sack so I assume it was him.

Hahaha, fair enough. I knew it wasn't Kelly by his PFF grade up top. Was hoping it wasn't Haeg either. Like to see him keep improving as well. Good day for the O-Line overall, and that was without Mewhort. If he returns next week, that should be an area of strength now.

[Smoke317]

I think I saw Morgan had a sack and a half and Klug had a half. Morgan had 3 hits. Casey 1 hit and Klug 1 hit. Don't know if Morgan was lined up over AC or Reitz. Haeg probably gave up the half to Klug. 

[Yoshinator]

1 minute ago, Smoke317 said:

I think I saw Morgan had a sack and a half and Klug had a half. Morgan had 3 hits. Casey 1 hit and Klug 1 hit. Don't know if Morgan was lined up over AC or Reitz. Haeg probably gave up the half to Klug. 

Not really sure, probably Reitz. 2 sacks still wouldn't be the end of the world. I'll check it out on the stat sheet, appreciate it.

[SkyBane]

2 minutes ago, Jared Cisneros said:

Hahaha, fair enough. I knew it wasn't Kelly by his PFF grade up top. Was hoping it wasn't Haeg either. Like to see him keep improving as well. Good day for the O-Line overall, and that was without Mewhort. If he returns next week, that should be an area of strength now.

I do like what I see from the O line, even in the run game, Gore is chugging along at really good numbers behind these guys on limited attempts. If they ever actually stay healthy and start to play as a unit, this offense could find the consistency it needs to take off in to the stratosphere.

[Yoshinator]

3 minutes ago, Smoke317 said:

I think I saw Morgan had a sack and a half and Klug had a half. Morgan had 3 hits. Casey 1 hit and Klug 1 hit. Don't know if Morgan was lined up over AC or Reitz. Haeg probably gave up the half to Klug. 

You are correct, morgan got 1.5 and klug got 1/2 a sack as well.

[Smoke317]

5 minutes ago, Jared Cisneros said:

Not really sure, probably Reitz. 2 sacks still wouldn't be the end of the world. I'll check it out on the stat sheet, appreciate it.

Exactly 2 ain't bad at all. I think Good played well. Honestly I think they all played well. Think I saw Good limp off the field late. Don't know if he came back. With Mewhort coming back what do we do next week?  Keep Reitz starting or put Haeg back over there?  Won't get any easier with Justin Houston and Tamba Hali coming to town. They might want to stick with the experience of Reitz.... Tough call. 

[Yoshinator]

Just now, SkyBane said:

I do like what I see from the O line, even in the run game, Gore is chugging along at really good numbers behind these guys on limited attempts. If they ever actually stay healthy and start to play as a unit, this offense could find the consistency it needs to take off in to the stratosphere.

When Moncrief comes back, I think we could have a top 3 offense, especially if Doyle continues to get his. I was higher on Dorsett than anyone on this forum, saying he'd be better than Amari Cooper, but I can admit when I'm wrong. Use Chester Rogers as the #3 WR for awhile and if he does ok, keep him in for more plays than Dorsett and use Dorsett on mainly deep plays. The run game is fine for the most part. I think the Run Blocking was third before the Titans game, not sure what it is now. Time to fill the holes on the defense lol.

[Yoshinator]

1 minute ago, Smoke317 said:

Exactly 2 ain't bad at all. I think Good played well. Honestly I think they all played well. Think I saw Good limp off the field late. Don't know if he came back. With Mewhort coming back what do we do next week?  Keep Reitz starting or put Haeg back over there?  Won't get any easier with Justin Houston and Tamba Hali coming to town. 

KC worries me with their pass rush. We'll need Mewhort back. Honestly, I'd use Costanzo, Mewhort, Kelly, Haeg, Reitz as my starting 5 if Good is hurt in any way, shape, or form. That's probably the best combo.

[SkyBane]

2 minutes ago, Jared Cisneros said:

When Moncrief comes back, I think we could have a top 3 offense, especially if Doyle continues to get his. I was higher on Dorsett than anyone on this forum, saying he'd be better than Amari Cooper, but I can admit when I'm wrong. Use Chester Rogers as the #3 WR for awhile and if he does ok, keep him in for more plays than Dorsett and use Dorsett on mainly deep plays. The run game is fine for the most part. I think the Run Blocking was third before the Titans game, not sure what it is now. Time to fill the holes on the defense lol.

Indeed lol. I think that's the big rub with this Colts team and why they still feel like an 7-9, 8-8 type squad to me. They are incredibly reliant on offense, to the point where the defense (specifically the linebacker play) is kneecapping the good from the other 2 units. This team will go as far as the offense can carry that dead weight, and no further. Today, that was a win.

[Smoke317]

Just now, Jared Cisneros said:

KC worries me with their pass rush. We'll need Mewhort back. Honestly, I'd use Costanzo, Mewhort, Kelly, Haeg, Reitz as my starting 5 if Good is hurt in any way, shape, or form. That's probably the best combo.

If Good is healthy I'll keep him at RG. He holds up well against the big boys on the interior. Better than Haeg.  I like getting Haeg experience at RT.  But do you want him out their on an island against legitimate pass rush specialists???  KC's defense ain't no joke. They've got ballers at all 3 levels.  Then after that we get Peppers and Clay Matthews.... They are certainly about to get tested in the next 2 weeks. 

[Yoshinator]

1 minute ago, SkyBane said:

Indeed lol. I think that's the big rub with this Colts team and why they still feel like an 7-9, 8-8 type squad to me. They are incredibly reliant on offense, to the point where the defense (specifically the linebacker play) is kneecapping the good from the other 2 units. This team will go as far as the offense can carry that dead weight, and no further. Today, that was a win.

True, if we get help on defense, we'll probably be able to hang with anyone but NE and Pitt (when Ben is healthy). I still think we need another solid draft or two on defense (along with a RT and RB), to contend for the SB, but we have over half the battle won with the team, it's about filling in those remaining positions with top tier talent. Even if we reach a few spots in the draft, I'd rather hit on a safe pick than miss on some high risk player.

[Yoshinator]

1 minute ago, Smoke317 said:

If Good is healthy I'll keep him at RG. He holds up well against the big boys on the interior. Better than Haeg.  I like getting Haeg experience at RT.  But do you want him out their on an island against legitimate pass rush specialists???  KC's defense ain't no joke. They've got ballers at all 3 levels.  Then after that we get Peppers and Clay Matthews.... They are certainly about to get tested in the next 2 weeks. 

I personally feel more comfortable with Haeg at a G position, but we have flexibility either way with him. Good is fine at RG as well. There are a lot of combos, the best one is probably Haeg at RT and Good at RG, but my scenario was in a case where Good wasn't 100%. I don't think Good plays well at all at RT, so I agree with him at RG.

[Smoke317]

We're definitely thin at LB. that's the biggest weakness on the team but our coaches still leave me wanting at times. For instance, at the end of the first half we had a 17-6 lead. Had just sacked Mariotta. He was clearly rattled. And couldn't make any throws out wide. 2nd & 14 they're backed up in their territory. I'm screaming key Walker and Wright in the slots.  Force him to make a throw in a tight window. We go into a soft zone and give him an easy 9 yard completion to Walker standing right in front of him. Then I'm yelling key the flats on 3rd down because he couldn't make any tough throws. They hit Murray on a little swing pass and the drive stays alive. Mariotta gets some rhythm and they go down and score. Now it's 17-13 and we're in a game.... could have been 20-6. 24-6. Or even if it stayed 17-6 we're in full control.... We let them hang around and get confidence for the rest of the game when we could have stepped on their throats. It's those kind of mistakes that have us with a losing record. 

[SkyBane]

2 minutes ago, Jared Cisneros said:

True, if we get help on defense, we'll probably be able to hang with anyone but NE and Pitt (when Ben is healthy). I still think we need another solid draft or two on defense (along with a RT and RB), to contend for the SB, but we have over half the battle won with the team, it's about filling in those remaining positions with top tier talent. Even if we reach a few spots in the draft, I'd rather hit on a safe pick than miss on some high risk player.

Yeah, the pass rush situation is beyond dismal at this point. Even taking one of our presumed extra 4th rounders and trying to package a deal to trade up a bit if necessary for OLB talent seems like a decent idea right now.

 

Mathis should retire after this year, and one way or another, Cole will no longer be on the squad either presumably. That really just leaves Akeem Ayers as the rush, and an aging Walden as the Sam. This doesn't even begin to look at the hot mess that is the inside backers.

 

It's a tire fire really lol.

[Smoke317]

6 minutes ago, Jared Cisneros said:

I personally feel more comfortable with Haeg at a G position, but we have flexibility either way with him. Good is fine at RG as well. There are a lot of combos, the best one is probably Haeg at RT and Good at RG, but my scenario was in a case where Good wasn't 100%. I don't think Good plays well at all at RT, so I agree with him at RG.

I definitely like going with the youth movement. That's the only way they'll get better. Keep Reitz as our solid vet that can come in and play wherever he's needed. But we've got some serious killers coming up. So can we risk the chance of Haeg learning on the job when we have no more margin for error to lose many more games?  Perhaps Haeg will be our future Reitz. Come in and play wherever he's needed. I wouldn't be mad at that at all. I like all of our young guys up front. Both on the Oline and Dline. 

[Yoshinator]

3 minutes ago, SkyBane said:

Yeah, the pass rush situation is beyond dismal at this point. Even taking one of our presumed extra 4th rounders and trying to package a deal to trade up a bit if necessary for OLB talent seems like a decent idea right now.

 

Mathis should retire after this year, and one way or another, Cole will no longer be on the squad either presumably. That really just leaves Akeem Ayers as the rush, and an aging Walden as the Sam. This doesn't even begin to look at the hot mess that is the inside backers.

 

It's a tire fire really lol.

Yeah get 3 Linebackers with our first 4 picks and inject that position with some much needed youth and talent. I'll be paying attention to who comes out on the Linebacking core for the draft as the year goes on. Really insane how that unit got so weak.

[Smoke317]

3 minutes ago, SkyBane said:

Yeah, the pass rush situation is beyond dismal at this point. Even taking one of our presumed extra 4th rounders and trying to package a deal to trade up a bit if necessary for OLB talent seems like a decent idea right now.

 

Mathis should retire after this year, and one way or another, Cole will no longer be on the squad either presumably. That really just leaves Akeem Ayers as the rush, and an aging Walden as the Sam. This doesn't even begin to look at the hot mess that is the inside backers.

 

It's a tire fire really lol.

Hard to argue with any of that. I wonder if Chandler Jones would like to come play with his big brother Arthur?  If we can't get high enough in the draft to get a sure fire like Garrett get one in free agency. 

[Smoke317]

Just now, Jared Cisneros said:

Yeah get 3 Linebackers with our first 4 picks and inject that position with some much needed youth and talent. I'll be paying attention to who comes out on the Linebacking core for the draft as the year goes on. Really insane how that unit got so weak.

That's definitely the biggest need area. If our Oline keeps developing, we should definitely make defense THE priority of next years draft and LB (rush and inside) the focus. Our DLine and secondary ain't bad at all. 

[Yoshinator]

3 minutes ago, Smoke317 said:

I definitely like going with the youth movement. That's the only way they'll get better. Keep Reitz as our solid vet that can come in and play wherever he's needed. But we've got some serious killers coming up. So can we risk the chance of Haeg learning on the job when we have no more margin for error to lose many more games?  Perhaps Haeg will be our future Reitz. Come in and play wherever he's needed. I wouldn't be mad at that at all. I like all of our young guys up front. Both on the Oline and Dline. 

Love Haeg, I mocked him in a couple practice mocks on this site late and was happy to get him. He's ranked a top 40 rookie this year (think 38th), on Bleacher Report's rookie report after week 6, not sure after the Titans game, have to wait for them to update it. So he's playing like an early 2nd rounder. If he can become a starter, then that's huge. RT is a huge hole, so it'd be great if he filled it decently. I don't expect him to be elite there, but if he's serviceable, then it's a nice improvement over what we had.

[Yoshinator]

1 minute ago, Smoke317 said:

That's definitely the biggest need area. If our Oline keeps developing, we should definitely make defense THE priority of next years draft and LB (rush and inside) the focus. Our DLine and secondary ain't bad at all. 

I actually consider the secondary a strength. Love some of the talent there that we have. Green is ranked the 13th best rookie I believe after 6 weeks. He's really improving and his tackling is improved as well. He's starting to play like a safety. Part of that might be due to limiting his time and taking the pressure off him, but it's a growing process. Geathers is great, so is Adams, but his time is limited. CB's are very good. The D-Line is so-so, but Anderson is a top guy when healthy and McGill is really coming around, we need him to start for us somewhere. Draft Linebackers and maybe a D-Lineman if he's BPA early and fix the defense. No more WRs, we are fine there.

[SkyBane]

20 minutes ago, Jared Cisneros said:

Yeah get 3 Linebackers with our first 4 picks and inject that position with some much needed youth and talent. I'll be paying attention to who comes out on the Linebacking core for the draft as the year goes on. Really insane how that unit got so weak.

When you consider how much attention has been paid there, it's not hard to see how it got that way. Outside of Werner, I don't think we've drafted a linebacker in the first 5 rounds since Grigson has been here, and the rest of the position group is mostly FA fill ins of guys he could get relative bargains on due to age. It's the one group you can truly point to as having been completely neglected by the front office, and it shows on the field.

[Yoshinator]

1 minute ago, SkyBane said:

When you consider how much attention has been paid there, it's not hard to see how it got that way. Outside of Werner, I don't think we've drafted a linebacker in the first 5 rounds since Grigson has been here, and the rest of the position group is mostly FA fill ins of guys he could get relative bargains on due to age. It's the one group you can truly point to as having been completely neglected by the front office, and it shows on the field.

Newsome, but he was a 5th rounder. That's not saying much.