Grigson says Luck's contract affects Colts Defense

[lollygagger8]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/10/07/grigson-lucks-contract-takes-cap-space-affects-colts-defense/

 

What about the 4 years before Luck's big contract?

 

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4 minutes ago, lollygagger8 said:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/10/07/grigson-lucks-contract-takes-cap-space-affects-colts-defense/

 

What about the 4 years before Luck's big contract?

 

 

I was thinking the same thing . 

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[pgt_rob]

lol I'm sure he was waiting for Luck to get that contract so he can finally use that excuse.

[indy1888]

Yep he's going to take some heat over that comment.  Not a very smart thing to say considering Luck was a bargain for the early part of his career. I know Grigson thinks he is the smartest man alive but he's actually pretty dumb if he thinks that explanation will fly with most.

[SilentHill]

[PhillyCOLTSfan]

This guy grigson can never admit when he wrong ,jus say u picked bad players nd keep it moving 

[Superman]

First thing Grigson said is that they've missed on picks. And that's the primary reason the defense isn't where it should be. Werner, no first for Richardson, D'Joun Smith, Hughes, Andrew Jackson, etc., etc. That's reason #1.

 

However -- and I said this during the offseason, and it's still true -- when you commit a bunch of cash, you can't just go on a spending spree. 

[lollygagger8]

4 minutes ago, Superman said:

First thing Grigson said is that they've missed on picks. And that's the primary reason the defense isn't where it should be. Werner, no first for Richardson, D'Joun Smith, Hughes, Andrew Jackson, etc., etc. That's reason #1.

 

However -- and I said this during the offseason, and it's still true -- when you commit a bunch of cash, you can't just go on a spending spree. 

 

 

Wait, didn't Elway do that exact same thing? Seemed to work out pretty well for Denver. 

[Superman]

Just now, lollygagger8 said:

 

 

Wait, didn't Elway do that exact same thing? Seemed to work out pretty well for Denver. 

 

No, he didn't. 

 

The most the Broncos paid Manning in a given year was $19m in 2015, after his postseason bonuses. Second highest was $18M in 2012. 

 

The Colts are paying Andrew Luck $44m in 2016.

 

But the main difference is the Broncos drafted better than the Colts have. Part of that is Von Miller at #3, but the other part is Derek Wolfe, Malik Jackson, Danny Travathan, Sylvester Williams, Kayvon Webster, Bradley Roby -- all defensive contributors, mostly starters, on rookie contracts. 

[theanarchist]

26 minutes ago, lollygagger8 said:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/10/07/grigson-lucks-contract-takes-cap-space-affects-colts-defense/

 

What about the 4 years before Luck's big contract?

 

Ya, this is excuse making at it's finest. I fail to see how Luck signing the big deal this off season has effected the paltry results of the defense over the previous 4 years. Do your job Mister Grigson. Start drafting players that are going to make a difference and quit making excuses. If you draft right you don't have money concerns with those players for 4-5 years. I'm ready for this guy to go. Ive been pretty silent to this point but I'm sick of him.

[Mr. Irrelevant]

3 minutes ago, Superman said:

 

But the main difference is the Broncos drafted better than the Colts have. Part of that is Von Miller at #3, but the other part is Derek Wolfe, Malik Jackson, Danny Travathan, Sylvester Williams, Kayvon Webster, Bradley Roby -- all defensive contributors, mostly starters, on rookie contracts. 

Good point that just go to show that FO has been fooling around waaaay to much doing the wrong moves.

[MTC]

Well, I liked how Grigson admitted he made a lot of bad picks on defense, however I don't like the fact that he pretty much ignored how bad he was the past four seasons as the GM when it comes to free agency and not addressing important needs.

[Superman]

Just now, Mr Clueless said:

Good point that just go to show that FO has been fooling waaaay to much about doing the wrong moves.

 

Yes, a bunch of missed opportunities in the draft over the previous three years.

[rockywoj]

Dumb comment by Grigson.

[Larry Horseman]

Do yourselves a favor and listen to the entire interview: http://foxsportsradio.iheart.com/media/play/27375889/

 

Florio via Zak Keefer totally pulled that quote out of context. As @Superman said, Grigson actually said the main problem is bad drafting on the defensive side of the ball. When I first read the quote, I was going to say it is egregious, but in the context of the entire interview, he is just being realistic, and actually admits he has messed up. 

[Patagonia Chris]

 

Yeah, I just can't handle this guy anymore...The one thing Grigson needs is more cap space for the LaRon Landry's, Gosder Cherilus, Donald Thomas, Greg Toler and Andre Johnson's of the world.

[OffensivelyPC]

It'd be nice if the article posted the quote in its entirety.  I saw this article somewhere else and nothing he said was wrong.  They've missed on picks and they spent a lot on Andrew Luck.  I mean, maybe he didn't labor over his missed picks more and glossed over his short comings, but what person doesn't do that?  You don't go into an annual evaluation and celebrate your shortcomings.

[aReggie7]

Well, Grigson isn't wrong. When you pay any player as much as the Colts are paying Luck then you will be limited as to how much you spend in other areas.

 

As many have already pointed out, Luck's current salary did not cause all of the awful decisions that this front office has made. His current salary did not prevent this front office from doing a good job of drafting players over the last 4-5 years...their incompetence did. 

 

This sounds more like an excuse on why this team will be lousy for the next 2-3 years. It's like Grigson is setting it up early.

[crazycolt1]

Just like anything. Hand picking what you want to hear and leaving out the whole interview and it's contents is what most want to do and hear now.

Listen to the whole interview and it makes sense and what he was saying.

[Mr. Irrelevant]

Someone here Made an excellent point about Grigson: He seems preoccupied and obsessed with finding diamonds in the rough and I think he because of that tend to loose the plot and instead for just getting that solid player that will just work, he reaches for someone that might have some superior intangibles.He is simply outsmarting himself at times.

 

Pick "safe" in round 1-3, then go diamond in the rough hunting for all I care.

[IinD]

So he's saying he hasn't been doing a great job overall? We see that.

[RockThatBlue]

Zak took it out of context because he knew people would go crazy over it. But Grigson didn't say it the way its being interpreted. 

 

Click the link Larry Horseman  posted above so you can hear the whole thing. I have issues with Grigson but I hate when people are taken out of context.

[crazycolt1]

6 minutes ago, OffensivelyPC said:

It'd be nice if the article posted the quote in its entirety.  I saw this article somewhere else and nothing he said was wrong.  They've missed on picks and they spent a lot on Andrew Luck.  I mean, maybe he didn't labor over his missed picks more and glossed over his short comings, but what person doesn't do that?  You don't go into an annual evaluation and highlight your flaws, you acknowledge them and then quickly move along.  If you're boss wants to discuss weaknesses, that's one thing, but you don't celebrate them.

Good point. But that don't fit into the narrative that supports their claim that Grigson is the worst.

[Steamboat_Shaun]

2 minutes ago, RockThatBlue said:

Zak took it out of context because he knew people would go crazy over it. But Grigson didn't say it the way its being interpreted. 

 

I don't believe it, no journalist would ever do that.

[Steamboat_Shaun]

3 minutes ago, RockThatBlue said:

Zak took it out of context because he knew people would go crazy over it. But Grigson didn't say it the way its being interpreted. 

 

Is there a link to the actual interview?

[RockThatBlue]

2 minutes ago, Steamboat_Shaun said:

 

Is there a link to the actual interview?

Larry posted a link above.

[MacDee1975]

The garbage job Grigson has done in acquiring defensive players via FA and the draft, and Pagano's extremely limited coaching acumen, is what's affecting the defense.

[Steamboat_Shaun]

Just now, RockThatBlue said:

Larry posted a link above.

 

I listened to it live yesterday. This is so far out of context that I actually thought it was a completely different interview.

[Larry Horseman]

13 minutes ago, RockThatBlue said:

Zak took it out of context because he knew people would go crazy over it. But Grigson didn't say it the way its being interpreted. 

 

Click the link Larry Horseman  posted above so you can hear the whole thing. I have issues with Grigson but I hate when people are taken out of context.

Twitter is going crazy over it too. Turd move by Keefer to get a bunch of clicks, IMO....he's knows darn good and well most are too lazy to actually look at the larger context of the quote. He did send out the link later, but he still knows no one is going to look into it. 

[RockThatBlue]

5 minutes ago, Steamboat_Shaun said:

 

I listened to it live yesterday. This is so far out of context that I actually thought it was a completely different interview.

 

5 minutes ago, Steamboat_Shaun said:

 

I listened to it live yesterday. This is so far out of context that I actually thought it was a completely different interview.

Don't know why it quoted you twice. But its sad that sports journalists are not very honest.  Maybe Zak should join CBS ABC NBC or Fox if he wants to be a dishonest journalist.

[GoColts8818]

59 minutes ago, lollygagger8 said:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/10/07/grigson-lucks-contract-takes-cap-space-affects-colts-defense/

 

What about the 4 years before Luck's big contract?

 

He screwed up the first four years.  He's making the point that because they had to pay Andrew they couldn't get more players this off-season to make up for the four years of mistake.  

 

Whole true still annoying as a fan to a fan to hear when we know he screwed up a lot defensive players on the past four years and then let one of the few he got right walk for chicken feed in NFL terms.

[indy1888]

From what i read, Grigson does admit he has missed some picks.  But then he instantly turns around and pats himself on the back for his drafting overall.  Even says other teams scouting departments would say they have done a good job, at least on the offensive side of the ball. To me, the comment on Luck is still ludicrous and not needed. If Grigson would have done as great a job as he thinks he has, he wouldn't be having to toss out his QB's contract that he knew was coming for years as the reason as to why the D is terrible. He doesn't say the D is bad because he messed up, he just says it's going to take a while to fix because of Luck.

[IndyTrav]

That was a terrible interview. I like jay mohr but dang dude his lips may be brown after all the butt kissing he did. 

[digroute88]

Wouldn't you love to see 'Grigson releases himself' . GM becomes the first to cut himself for poor performance .

[OffensivelyPC]

1 minute ago, digroute88 said:

Wouldn't you love to see 'Grigson releases himself' . GM becomes the first to cut himself for poor performance .

It would not be the first time that's happened.

[VaAllDay757]

50 minutes ago, Superman said:

First thing Grigson said is that they've missed on picks. And that's the primary reason the defense isn't where it should be. Werner, no first for Richardson, D'Joun Smith, Hughes, Andrew Jackson, etc., etc. That's reason #1.

 

However -- and I said this during the offseason, and it's still true -- when you commit a bunch of cash, you can't just go on a spending spree. 

Ok and spent big money on the free agency players before and see how that turned out this is just a poor excuse he's not good at recognizing the talent we need

[digroute88]

1 minute ago, OffensivelyPC said:

It would not be the first time that's happened.

You're kidding right ?

[Gabriel Alexander Morillo]

3 minutes ago, digroute88 said:

You're kidding right ?

For those instances it'd either be that or being humiliatingly fired by the owner 

[OffensivelyPC]

6 minutes ago, digroute88 said:

You're kidding right ?

No I am not.  In fact, he wouldn't even be the first Colts GM to resign.