Jump to content
Indianapolis Colts
Indianapolis Colts Fan Forum

Where's Dorsett?


jchandler7

Recommended Posts

He was a bad pick given what we needed last season, but without him this season, our receiving unit would be desperate.  I'm not sure what people expect - he's fast, has good hands, needs to be accounted for defensively, and is developing just fine.  

Link to comment
Share on other sites

7 hours ago, Superman said:

 

Dorsett had big plays as a rookie, and already has big plays in Year 2. He's already made a significant difference. 

 

He's also been relegated to a reserve role, until Sunday, which was his first career start, and 14th game overall. There's little sense in comparing a player who hasn't been used to a player who is thrust into the starting lineup right away. (It's also worth noting that 6 of his 14 games so far are without Luck, and 7 of 14 were with a bad OC who didn't use his players effectively.)

 

I don't think he needs time, I think he needs opportunity, which he really hasn't had, at least not consistently. He had 94 yards as WR3 in the opener. Moncrief is out for a few more weeks, I'm pretty sure Dorsett will get increased opportunities during this stretch, and then we'll have a better idea where he is.

 

 

I would assume it comes down to opportunity as well. Which begs the question why is he not given it...Is it role, coaching, offensive gameplan, is it his own fault etc etc.

 

I dont dislike the guy, frankly I have a hard time having an opinion on someone who has done literally nothing......I just dont agree with the "they need X years" philosophy.....That may have been he case 16years ago, but it isn't anymore, young WR are expected to come in and produce right away.  

Link to comment
Share on other sites

4 hours ago, fatboy said:

He was a bad pick given what we needed last season, but without him this season, our receiving unit would be desperate.  I'm not sure what people expect - he's fast, has good hands, needs to be accounted for defensively, and is developing just fine.  

 

Everyone wanted defense after the AFCCG in New England, and we got Geathers, Parry, and Anderson, out of that draft. 3 productive starters on that side of the ball out of one draft, PLUS Phillip Dorsett, what else could you ask for?

Link to comment
Share on other sites

13 minutes ago, IndyTrav said:

I would assume it comes down to opportunity as well. Which begs the question why is he not given it...Is it role, coaching, offensive gameplan, is it his own fault etc etc.

 

I dont dislike the guy, frankly I have a hard time having an opinion on someone who has done literally nothing......I just dont agree with the "they need X years" philosophy.....That may have been he case 16years ago, but it isn't anymore, young WR are expected to come in and produce right away.  

 

Meh; a lot of receivers contribute right away, but not all. And if they don't contribute right away that doesn't mean they're no good and you write them off. 

 

In Dorsett's case, he was basically WR4 last year, and then once he started getting more reps he got hurt. Luck was hurt, the offense changed, and the coordinator changed. I think we saw his intended role in the opener this year. The Denver game was tough sledding for the entire offense, especially the QB, and the play calling was bad, IMO. I expected more from Dorsett against the Chargers, but it was clearly Hilton's day.

 

To me, it's role and coaching, so far. His role has changed. I think the coaching needs to get better to properly utilize him (and all the offensive weapons, to be honest). But for the most part, to this point, Dorsett hasn't had a lot of opportunity. The next month will be enlightening.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

4 hours ago, Steamboat_Shaun said:

 

Everyone wanted defense after the AFCCG in New England, and we got Geathers, Parry, and Anderson, out of that draft. 3 productive starters on that side of the ball out of one draft, PLUS Phillip Dorsett, what else could you ask for?

Don't you know, the GM needs to draft future HOFs at every position in every draft.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

4 hours ago, Superman said:

 

Meh; a lot of receivers contribute right away, but not all. And if they don't contribute right away that doesn't mean they're no good and you write them off. 

 

In Dorsett's case, he was basically WR4 last year, and then once he started getting more reps he got hurt. Luck was hurt, the offense changed, and the coordinator changed. I think we saw his intended role in the opener this year. The Denver game was tough sledding for the entire offense, especially the QB, and the play calling was bad, IMO. I expected more from Dorsett against the Chargers, but it was clearly Hilton's day.

 

To me, it's role and coaching, so far. His role has changed. I think the coaching needs to get better to properly utilize him (and all the offensive weapons, to be honest). But for the most part, to this point, Dorsett hasn't had a lot of opportunity. The next month will be enlightening.

Okay well hes the clear #2 for the forseeable future. Lets see if he flashes some ability that would suggest he's something other than only a deep threat 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

17 minutes ago, Gabriel Alexander Morillo said:

Okay well hes the clear #2 for the forseeable future. Lets see if he flashes some ability that would suggest he's something other than only a deep threat 

 

He already has, IMO. We'll see if he can build on what he's already done.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I really thought before I commented earlier that maybe you had watched Dorsett play this year.  Now I know you have not.

 

The NFL is not fantasy football.  It is real.  Dorsett has done well so far and if not injured (again) he will have a game of 200 yards....this year.  He is as smooth as silk running routes now.  A year even though injured has made a big difference.  Once again...the old guy's opinion.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

20 hours ago, Gabriel Alexander Morillo said:

Okay well hes the clear #2 for the forseeable future. Lets see if he flashes some ability that would suggest he's something other than only a deep threat 

If he shows nothing special with Moncrief down, it is hard to imagine him being more than that (an occasional  deep threat) once Moncrief gets healthy.  

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now
  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    • No registered users viewing this page.
  • Thread of the Week

  • Topics

  • Posts

    • Right. But we also are expected to draft a corner, So the fact that DeJean can play either position, makes me think Ballard could have his eye on him.
    • As a Ballard type player, he seems to fit the bill.  Big 10. Excels at zone coverage. Elite athlete. Special Teams standout, Good tackler. etc. Colts may be able to trade back, and still land DeJean   Considered one of the Safest picks. Seven 2024 NFL Draft Prospects Who Are Safest Bets to Succeed at Next Level https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10113875-7-2024-nfl-draft-prospects-who-are-safest-bets-to-succeed-at-next-level   DB Cooper DeJean, Iowa   A fractured fibula during a November practice tempered any excitement regarding Cooper DeJean's draft status. So he's not been in the same conversations as the class' top defensive backs, specifically Toledo's Quinyon Mitchell and Alabama's Terrion Arnold. DeJean's profile projects just as well or better than the aforementioned cornerbacks.   Three specific attributes set DeJean's floor higher than anyone else among the back end.   First, the reigning Big Ten Defensive Back of the Year presents the positional flexibility and traits to start at cornerback or safety at the professional level, with B/R's Cory Giddings highlighting his coverage skills:   "DeJean excels in zone coverage, but he's versatile enough to play man as well. He shows a smooth backpedal and the ability to keep his leverage and quick footwork with few wasted steps. Although he transitions well, there are times where DeJean hops into his breaks; allowing a step of separation.   "When in zone, DeJean does a great job of reading and reacting to the quarterback's eyes. Pairing that skill set with his route recognition, he often puts himself in good position with leverage and positioning.   "While working downfield, DeJean has the strength necessary to hand-fight with tight ends and bigger receivers, as well as the speed necessary to carry twitchier receivers downfield. He also does a very good job of locating the ball and playing through the catch point."   Second, the high school track standout is an elite athlete who captured Iowa state titles in the long jump and 100-meter dash. Many expected him to blow the doors off Lucas Oil Stadium. Unfortunately, he wasn't ready to test in Indianapolis after being cleared a few weeks earlier.   "His acceleration is incredibly fluid and super powerful," NFL combine trainer Jordan Luallen told The Athletic's Bruce Feldman last summer. "He's the best athlete I've seen in person, pound for pound."   Finally, DeJean adds significant value as an elite collegiate returner. Big Ten coaches also awarded him Return Specialist of the Year this past season. DeJean averaged 13.1 yards per punt return over the last two seasons. A top-notch contributor anywhere along the defensive backfield and on special teams will provide excellent value in the NFL.   Potential Landing Spots: Indianapolis Colts, Philadelphia Eagles    
    • He could, but I think he's way more athletic than people give him credit for and projects way better as CB. Definitely could be a good safety, but I think if we drafted him, he fits well as a boundary corner for us.
    • I think we need to sign a vet, but Jackson isn't it. Age and his dirty playstyle are non-starters for me.   JuJu definitely flashed pretty well in the limited games we saw him in. If he's healthy, I think he'll be a solid CB for us.   He dominated every WR at the Senior Bowl, specifically in drills that heavily skew towards WRs, often using techniques he was just really learning in the pro-bowl practices (mainly press man techniques). He dominated in the MAC and dominated at Senior Bowl practices, and with his athletic traits, he projects very well to the NFL. I see him being a dominant CB in the near future. I don't necessarily want to take a CB at 15, but I wouldn't be mad if we took Mitchell.
    • There are quite a few articles on the internet that say he may transition to safety in the NFL. Interesting reads
  • Members

    • Nate!

      Nate! 583

      Member
      Joined:
      Last active:
    • lester

      lester 261

      Member
      Joined:
      Last active:
    • John Hammonds

      John Hammonds 4,746

      Senior Member
      Joined:
      Last active:
    • throwing BBZ

      throwing BBZ 3,697

      Senior Member
      Joined:
      Last active:
    • Goatface Killah

      Goatface Killah 2,000

      Senior Member
      Joined:
      Last active:
    • 1959Colts

      1959Colts 3,691

      Senior Member
      Joined:
      Last active:
    • BlackTiger

      BlackTiger 1,111

      Senior Member
      Joined:
      Last active:
    • rock8591

      rock8591 820

      Senior Member
      Joined:
      Last active:
    • Shive

      Shive 5,611

      Moderators
      Joined:
      Last active:
    • Blueblood23

      Blueblood23 986

      Senior Member
      Joined:
      Last active:
×
×
  • Create New...