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It's easy to forget that we turned over not only the OC and DC but almost the whole staff.  Even without the injuries, it was always a possibility that this squad would be a lot better in the last 8 games than the first 8 games.

 

Yes, we should include Chud as a new coach because this offseason he installed his own system.  Chud showed us signs of being a strong game planner last year, so it's entirely possible we could develop an identity by mid season and start to really click.

 

Additionally, our D is not as talent deficient as many want to paint it.  We have enough in the secondary if we get everyone healthy.  We have been effective on D with a similar talent level in past years.  We haven't built a monster, but the Pagano years haven't been a disaster on D either.  We will be competent yet this year.

 

My only long term concerns about this team are game planning and toughness.

I believe that part of the turnover in staff was to supplement Pagano's winning character with better scheming.  Yet to be determined, and early returns aren't great, but there are clear personnel challenges that account for some of that....and we'll just have to see how it goes.  

 

Toughness is on Pagano, and it's time for growth there, but he has shown that he will adapt.  We made a significant personnel and scheme shift on D line in 2015...he is growing and he is a winner.  

 

We'll win again, eventually.

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10 minutes ago, ztboiler said:

It's easy to forget that we turned over not only the OC and DC but almost the whole staff.  Even without the injuries, it was always a possibility that this squad would be a lot better in the last 8 games than the first 8 games.

 

Yes, we should include Chud as a new coach because this offseason he installed his own system.  Chud showed us signs of being a strong game planner last year, so it's entirely possible we could develop an identity by mid season and start to really click.

 

Additionally, our D is not as talent deficient as many want to paint it.  We have enough in the secondary if we get everyone healthy.  We have been effective on D with a similar talent level in past years.  We haven't built a monster, but the Pagano years haven't been a disaster on D either.  We will be competent yet this year.

 

My only long term concerns about this team are game planning and toughness.

I believe that part of the turnover in staff was to supplement Pagano's winning character with better scheming.  Yet to be determined, and early returns aren't great, but there are clear personnel challenges that account for some of that....and we'll just have to see how it goes.  

 

Toughness is on Pagano, and it's time for growth there, but he has shown that he will adapt.  We made a significant personnel and scheme shift on D line in 2015...he is growing and he is a winner.  

 

We'll win again, eventually.

However, we were promised a monster. Were we not?

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20 minutes ago, ztboiler said:

It's easy to forget that we turned over not only the OC and DC but almost the whole staff.  Even without the injuries, it was always a possibility that this squad would be a lot better in the last 8 games than the first 8 games.

 

Yes, we should include Chud as a new coach because this offseason he installed his own system.  Chud showed us signs of being a strong game planner last year, so it's entirely possible we could develop an identity by mid season and start to really click.

 

Additionally, our D is not as talent deficient as many want to paint it.  We have enough in the secondary if we get everyone healthy.  We have been effective on D with a similar talent level in past years.  We haven't built a monster, but the Pagano years haven't been a disaster on D either.  We will be competent yet this year.

 

My only long term concerns about this team are game planning and toughness.

I believe that part of the turnover in staff was to supplement Pagano's winning character with better scheming.  Yet to be determined, and early returns aren't great, but there are clear personnel challenges that account for some of that....and we'll just have to see how it goes.  

 

Toughness is on Pagano, and it's time for growth there, but he has shown that he will adapt.  We made a significant personnel and scheme shift on D line in 2015...he is growing and he is a winner.  

 

We'll win again, eventually.

Good thoughts, & eventually=tomorrow (SUN.)

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28 minutes ago, ztboiler said:

It's easy to forget that we turned over not only the OC and DC but almost the whole staff.  Even without the injuries, it was always a possibility that this squad would be a lot better in the last 8 games than the first 8 games.

 

Yes, we should include Chud as a new coach because this offseason he installed his own system.  Chud showed us signs of being a strong game planner last year, so it's entirely possible we could develop an identity by mid season and start to really click.

 

Additionally, our D is not as talent deficient as many want to paint it.  We have enough in the secondary if we get everyone healthy.  We have been effective on D with a similar talent level in past years.  We haven't built a monster, but the Pagano years haven't been a disaster on D either.  We will be competent yet this year.

 

My only long term concerns about this team are game planning and toughness.

I believe that part of the turnover in staff was to supplement Pagano's winning character with better scheming.  Yet to be determined, and early returns aren't great, but there are clear personnel challenges that account for some of that....and we'll just have to see how it goes.  

 

Toughness is on Pagano, and it's time for growth there, but he has shown that he will adapt.  We made a significant personnel and scheme shift on D line in 2015...he is growing and he is a winner.  

 

We'll win again, eventually.

I ain't buying the lack of talent comments either.  It's total bull for the most part as we've got 3 solid corners and good depth behind that with Butler and Melvin.   Safety depth is good with Adams, Green and Geathers. Mathias Farley coming in behind that.  The two safeties Geathers and Green can be used to deal with some of the coverage issues related to the linebackers.  The ILB are a little light on talent I think, but it's not a total deal breaker.  Sio Moore could help us out a lot there if he'd be a bit more reliable.  The talent for him is there to be a really good player but he's got to step it up a bit in some places.  Our D Line group is deep once we get Anderson and Jones back.  Zach Kerr seems to be stepping his game up, Ridgeway is showing flashes.  Mcgill has been a little quiet but he'll put his stamp on something soon.  On the outside I think Mathis is still kind of working back into playing shape and there might be a little bit of some injury stuff going on there too.  He had a couple pressures on Simien in the Broncos game.  I saw Ayers get around the corner a couple times.  Maybe Maggitt once or twice. 4 man pressures are going to be a work in progress most of the year to me, but I think with a healthy secondary the coverage will improve and we'll be able to get home with an increase in the blitz.  We'll get home a couple times from the 4 man look with some interior pressure or Ayers/Mathis will get there a time or two.  I still believe this will end up being a pretty solid defense when it's all said and done.  It won't be perfect, but some of the other comments I've seen are way off in my estimation.  The defense does have talent in most places.  Linebacking corps has the most issues of the group I do believe.  Injuries have certainly been an issue.

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granted i absolutely believe if we were relatively healthy we would be 2-0 but that being said injurys is part of the game. not all people are built the same some will tear or break something but will find a way to play thru the pain other might have stubbed toe and are out 3-4 weeks. colts seem to have more of the latter     

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3 hours ago, krunk said:

I ain't buying the lack of talent comments either.  It's total bull for the most part as we've got 3 solid corners and good depth behind that with Butler and Melvin.   Safety depth is good with Adams, Green and Geathers. Mathias Farley coming in behind that.  The two safeties Geathers and Green can be used to deal with some of the coverage issues related to the linebackers.  The ILB are a little light on talent I think, but it's not a total deal breaker.  Sio Moore could help us out a lot there if he'd be a bit more reliable.  The talent for him is there to be a really good player but he's got to step it up a bit in some places.  Our D Line group is deep once we get Anderson and Jones back.  Zach Kerr seems to be stepping his game up, Ridgeway is showing flashes.  Mcgill has been a little quiet but he'll put his stamp on something soon.  On the outside I think Mathis is still kind of working back into playing shape and there might be a little bit of some injury stuff going on there too.  He had a couple pressures on Simien in the Broncos game.  I saw Ayers get around the corner a couple times.  Maybe Maggitt once or twice. 4 man pressures are going to be a work in progress most of the year to me, but I think with a healthy secondary the coverage will improve and we'll be able to get home with an increase in the blitz.  We'll get home a couple times from the 4 man look with some interior pressure or Ayers/Mathis will get there a time or two.  I still believe this will end up being a pretty solid defense when it's all said and done.  It won't be perfect, but some of the other comments I've seen are way off in my estimation.  The defense does have talent in most places.  Linebacking corps has the most issues of the group I do believe.  Injuries have certainly been an issue.

good post

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4 hours ago, jbaron04 said:

granted i absolutely believe if we were relatively healthy we would be 2-0 but that being said injurys is part of the game. not all people are built the same some will tear or break something but will find a way to play thru the pain other might have stubbed toe and are out 3-4 weeks. colts seem to have more of the latter     

I agree, if we were relatively healthy we would be 2-0.  The crazy thing is most people on this site don't want to account for injuries even if it is part of the game and it drastically effects your roster.  If we don't start 2-0 they want to get rid of the coach and GM regardless of the circumstances.  To them it's black or white. Don't win immediately they gotta go.  Even after two games,  Pretty funny really.  Plenty of laughs on this site. 

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4 minutes ago, richard pallo said:

I agree, if we were relatively healthy we would be 2-0.  The crazy thing is most people on this site don't want to account for injuries even if it is part of the game and it drastically effects your roster.  If we don't start 2-0 they want to get rid of the coach and GM regardless of the circumstances.  To them it's black or white. Don't win immediately they gotta go.  Even after two games,  Pretty funny really.  Plenty of laughs on this site. 

Great post , the house is not on fire we have along season,  we go 9-5 in last 14 and that might be enough yo win division. Texan don't scare anyone we know who they are,  start hot and fold towards the end of the yr. And while we are getting healthy towards the middle and end of the race other team might start getting hit with the injury bug later in the yr 

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12 hours ago, krunk said:

I ain't buying the lack of talent comments either.  It's total bull for the most part as we've got 3 solid corners and good depth behind that with Butler and Melvin.   Safety depth is good with Adams, Green and Geathers. Mathias Farley coming in behind that.  The two safeties Geathers and Green can be used to deal with some of the coverage issues related to the linebackers.  The ILB are a little light on talent I think, but it's not a total deal breaker.  Sio Moore could help us out a lot there if he'd be a bit more reliable.  The talent for him is there to be a really good player but he's got to step it up a bit in some places.  Our D Line group is deep once we get Anderson and Jones back.  Zach Kerr seems to be stepping his game up, Ridgeway is showing flashes.  Mcgill has been a little quiet but he'll put his stamp on something soon.  On the outside I think Mathis is still kind of working back into playing shape and there might be a little bit of some injury stuff going on there too.  He had a couple pressures on Simien in the Broncos game.  I saw Ayers get around the corner a couple times.  Maybe Maggitt once or twice. 4 man pressures are going to be a work in progress most of the year to me, but I think with a healthy secondary the coverage will improve and we'll be able to get home with an increase in the blitz.  We'll get home a couple times from the 4 man look with some interior pressure or Ayers/Mathis will get there a time or two.  I still believe this will end up being a pretty solid defense when it's all said and done.  It won't be perfect, but some of the other comments I've seen are way off in my estimation.  The defense does have talent in most places.  Linebacking corps has the most issues of the group I do believe.  Injuries have certainly been an issue.

Yep, as you say the Dline and secondary have a good mix of vets and emerging young players. We are what we are at LB inside and out, but it's not much different than we've always been in the Pagano era, which is good enough to make the playoffs...and there is some upside yet to be seen from Sio Moore.

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14 hours ago, ztboiler said:

It's easy to forget that we turned over not only the OC and DC but almost the whole staff.  Even without the injuries, it was always a possibility that this squad would be a lot better in the last 8 games than the first 8 games.

 

Yes, we should include Chud as a new coach because this offseason he installed his own system.  Chud showed us signs of being a strong game planner last year, so it's entirely possible we could develop an identity by mid season and start to really click.

 

Additionally, our D is not as talent deficient as many want to paint it.  We have enough in the secondary if we get everyone healthy.  We have been effective on D with a similar talent level in past years.  We haven't built a monster, but the Pagano years haven't been a disaster on D either.  We will be competent yet this year.

 

My only long term concerns about this team are game planning and toughness.

I believe that part of the turnover in staff was to supplement Pagano's winning character with better scheming.  Yet to be determined, and early returns aren't great, but there are clear personnel challenges that account for some of that....and we'll just have to see how it goes.  

 

Toughness is on Pagano, and it's time for growth there, but he has shown that he will adapt.  We made a significant personnel and scheme shift on D line in 2015...he is growing and he is a winner.  

 

We'll win again, eventually.

When next millennium. Bring in Harbaugh when he's ready and then we will win.  

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3 minutes ago, superrep1967 said:

When next millennium. Bring in Harbaugh when he's ready and then we will win.  

It's not happening in any millennium. There would be no reason for Harbaugh to coach again in the NFL. He has the best job right where he is at and it's not changing. He has total control and doesn't have an owner or a GM to answer to.

IMO Harbaugh has always been a college coach and that is where he shines. He does not work well when he don't have complete control.

Don't get me wrong because I like me some Harbaugh but the reality is he is a college coach, not a NFL coach.

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4 hours ago, GOCOLTS_ROLLTIDE said:

We don't play with heart,  couple that with not being that talented you have a recipe for either getting blown out or never closing the close games....... only person that seems like they actually want to win is luck 

Sorry but I have to call nonsense on that. Last season when things were really down it was the heart that won them 8 games when they shouldn't have. There was never any give up and that is heart.

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11 hours ago, GOCOLTS_ROLLTIDE said:

We don't play with heart,  couple that with not being that talented you have a recipe for either getting blown out or never closing the close games....... only person that seems like they actually want to win is luck 

That's crazy.  I saw lots of heart last week.  Andrew isn't the only player trying.  Did you not see that TD by Gore?  For a guy that ALWAYS seems frustrated (body language), the guy REALLY gave effort and you could tell how hard he's really trying. I saw some admirable play from some 5th string guys who were called for some unfair penalties, imo.  And Doyle... Is he the over-achiever of the team? Why isn't Grigs given credit for him?

i like our talent (if healthy of course).  Sure LB is a concern, but if we get our guys back, which we appear to be doing, we have a real chance to flip this FAST. We haven't seen this defense as it was meant to be.  The chess pieces haven't been available. I really think the CB problems have had a major effect on our scheme. 

i really like the potential of a healthy CB and safety group.  Could be kinda special.  A new OL group (once again if healthy) I like.  A DL group (if healthy) I really like.

we just got KILLED out of the gate (before actually) with injuries, imo. 

We just gotta hope we continue get healthy, the OL continues to grow, a healthy defense plays reasonably well, try to win division games, and see what happens.

what else can we do really.

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