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6 hours ago, SaturdayAllDay said:

We seemed to do fine without vontae in the past,  with a starting tandem of Cassius Vaughn and Darius Butler for a 3 game stretch in 2012. Are you implying that you are less confident in Cromartie and Robinson then Vaughn and Butler??  

They're both new to the roster, so we haven't seen them on the field together yet. That concerns me a little.

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2 hours ago, SaturdayAllDay said:

I agree with this. Although I think the games that we did bad with vontae hurt and playing could potentially be attributed to him actually not playing well. It doesn't matter how good you are if you are hurt and hobbling around. I also think that we have better options behind vontae now. I'm not sold on AC but there is potential there. Robinson has been an interesting player and it's hard to know if last year was a blip in the radar or if it was him finally figuring out how to play in the big leagues. I choose to be optimistic until I am proven otherwise. Like I said I think we will notice the loss of Davis, but I think we can handle the opponents we have, especially if our offense comes together.  We have won lots of games without a defense before. I have no reason to believe we can't do it again. 

 

And like you, I originally looked up vontaes injury history because I was interested to see how screwed we were. Finding out he had missed one game in the last three years was a surprise to me as well. Felt like he was gone a lot more, but like you my thoughts were that he was playing hurt a lot. 

 

And i wasn't so much speaking towards you when I talked about the sky is falling posts. It's the people who say we will go 0-4 simply because we don't have one of our CBs. I get that he's good, but he's not the difference between 3-1 and 0-4. I think with our opponents for the first few weeks we should be able to at least play them close,  if not win most of them. People are talking like we are playing top Teams. We aren't. 

 

I think we're pretty close on this.....    and I don't see us opening 0-4 at all.     And I'm of the view that this year's schedule is the hardest in the Grigson/Pagano/Luck years.      I'm modestly optimistic because of the offense.

 

I think Chud is a superior play caller.    Very intuitive.   Seems to know how to keep defenses off balance.   A well run offense is more than stats.      It's like art, or even porn.    You know when you see it.    Defenses look off balance against it.     And I think Chud will get the most out of Andrew.   (Out of Gore, too!)    I think Luck has just scratched the surface of his ability.    And I think Chud can get it out of him.      If Chud maxes out Luck and Philbin gets the line straight,   we'll be a very tough offense to handle.    So, maybe the opening month we win a bunch of shoot-outs.     Our defense may not be that talented,  but they appear to play hard.     If they also play smart,  then we've got a chance to stay in games.     I always say play hard and play smart and you win more than you lose.    

 

I'm looking forward to this season more than any other in Luck's short career.    And I think it's the coaches that take us to the next level.     

 

 

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11 hours ago, akcolt said:

If we could get something for Maggitt I'd do that today. He's never been healthy not sure how the NFL changes that. I'm guessing you mean Chester Rogers not Brown. If it was a guy that we don't have making the 53 man take the pick. You won't get him to the PS if teams are offering draft picks. Some how I don't think that is going to be the case. 

Trading a young pass rusher with potential sounds like an incredibly stupid idea. 

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2 hours ago, Steamboat_Shaun said:

They're both new to the roster, so we haven't seen them on the field together yet. That concerns me a little.

That is a fair concern. Luckily they will be on opposite sides of the field most of the time. I'd be more worried about the chemistry between Cromartie and the safeties. Robinson has had all of the offseason program getting used to the guys around him, I'm not overly concerned about him.

But by the sounds of it Cromartie knows a lot of the terminology from when he was in Rex Ryans defense, which is very similar to the terminology we use (due to Rex and Chuck both coming out of Baltimores system)so other than needing reps with his team mates for chemistry I think he can get by. Luckily we have a few weeks to get him the reps. I think it All comes down to how quickly we get our other DBs back from injury. 

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43 minutes ago, LJpalmbeacher said:

 

Why would you want to trade some of our best players?

 

1 hour ago, jameszeigler834 said:

Keep dreaming we are not getting rid of Hilton Castanzo I would not let go of for less than a 5th rounder and davis as good of a corner as he is when healthy and at his best not for less than a 3rd rounder.

:monkeydance::monkeydance:  DANCE MONKEYS DANCE!!!

 

:sarcasm:

 

 

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On August 23, 2016 at 7:42 PM, RockThatBlue said:

Trading a young pass rusher with potential sounds like an incredibly stupid idea. 

I think real stupidity is calling a trade stupid without even knowing what you are trading for or the circumstances surrounding the trade. You don't have a clue how things work dude and you are rude. That's a bad combination.

 

Maggitt is an UDFA with 2 major injuries in the last 3 years. He is going to have a hard time making our roster. Take a look at the competition. If someone is offering we should listen. 

 

We will keep I'm guessing 5 OLB's on the 53 man We know barring injury Mathis and Walden are 2. There are many who think cutting Cole would be stupid. I'm not in that group so we have Cole Okine Bates Maggitt Thompson fighting for maybe 3 spots? We only kept 4 last year that's 2 spots. Again that is 5 players for 2 maybe 3 spots. 

 

Are we keeping Maggitt?  Who are we cutting Bates Okine Thompson maybe Cole? If he's not making the 53 man.  You propose we should just cut him?  FYI that's what we will do to all but 53 guys. 

Do you think being offered a pick added to his injury history might help the process of getting to 53? Think about 

 

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20 minutes ago, akcolt said:

I think real stupidity is calling a trade stupid without even knowing what you are trading for or the circumstances surrounding the trade. You don't have a clue how things work dude and you are rude. That's a bad combination.

 

Maggitt is an UDFA with 2 major injuries in the last 3 years. He is going to have a hard time making our roster. Take a look at the competition. If someone is offering we should listen. 

 

We will keep I'm guessing 5 OLB's on the 53 man We know barring injury Mathis and Walden are 2. There are many who think cutting Cole would be stupid. I'm not in that group so we have Cole Okine Bates Maggitt Thompson fighting for maybe 3 spots? We only kept 4 last year that's 2 spots. Again that is 5 players for 2 maybe 3 spots. 

 

Are we keeping Maggitt?  Who are we cutting Bates Okine Thompson maybe Cole? If he's not making the 53 man.  You propose we should just cut him?  FYI that's what we will do to all but 53 guys. 

Do you think being offered a pick added to his injury history might help the process of getting to 53? Think about 

 

I see no reason why he won't make the roster at this point. Hes played pretty good in both preseason games. And we have pretty much nobody outside of Mathis pass rushing wise. Trading a potentially good pass rusher when we have very little pass rush to begin with doesn't make sense to me. Thats the last place we should be trading anybody from.

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54 minutes ago, akcolt said:

I think real stupidity is calling a trade stupid without even knowing what you are trading for or the circumstances surrounding the trade. You don't have a clue how things work dude and you are rude. That's a bad combination.

 

Maggitt is an UDFA with 2 major injuries in the last 3 years. He is going to have a hard time making our roster. Take a look at the competition. If someone is offering we should listen. 

 

We will keep I'm guessing 5 OLB's on the 53 man We know barring injury Mathis and Walden are 2. There are many who think cutting Cole would be stupid. I'm not in that group so we have Cole Okine Bates Maggitt Thompson fighting for maybe 3 spots? We only kept 4 last year that's 2 spots. Again that is 5 players for 2 maybe 3 spots. 

 

Are we keeping Maggitt?  Who are we cutting Bates Okine Thompson maybe Cole? If he's not making the 53 man.  You propose we should just cut him?  FYI that's what we will do to all but 53 guys. 

Do you think being offered a pick added to his injury history might help the process of getting to 53? Think about 

 

2 QB's

4 RB's

3 TE's

6 WR's

9 O Lineman

7 D Linemen

9 LB's

6 CB's

4 S's

1 K

1 P

 

I'd go with through 2 games of preseason play

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34 minutes ago, Gavin said:

2 QB's

4 RB's

3 TE's

6 WR's

9 O Lineman

7 D Linemen

9 LB's

6 CB's

4 S's

1 K

1 P

 

I'd go with through 2 games of preseason play

 

Sorry, gavin,  you missed one.....   the long snapper.    So, take the 6th WR and turn him into the LS.

 

Remember.....   3 for special teams...    K/P/LS

 

That leaves 50 players....     but it's almost never divided up 25/25....

 

Then it's typically 23 or 24 for offense.....     and 46 or 47 for defense for a total of 50.

 

It's an easy rule of thumb......

 

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7 minutes ago, NewColtsFan said:

 

Sorry, gavin,  you missed one.....   the long snapper.    So, take the 6th WR and turn him into the LS.

 

Remember.....   3 for special teams...    K/P/LS

 

That leaves 50 players....     but it's almost never divided up 25/25....

 

Then it's typically 23 or 24 for offense.....     and 46 or 47 for defense for a total of 50.

 

It's an easy rule of thumb......

 

I somehow always leave off that long snapper! lol

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17 hours ago, RockThatBlue said:

I see no reason why he won't make the roster at this point. Hes played pretty good in both preseason games. And we have pretty much nobody outside of Mathis pass rushing wise. Trading a potentially good pass rusher when we have very little pass rush to begin with doesn't make sense to me. Thats the last place we should be trading anybody from.

Look at Gavin's post while it will vary from team to team 9 LB's is about right. You do realize we need ILB and OLB last year we kept 5 inside and 4 outside. Now explain how Maggitt makes the team. Either way you might want to stop calling things stupid when you have no clue. 

 

 

 

 

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