Zurlon Tipton

[southwest1]

4 hours ago, NewColtsFan said:

 

So, as best we can figure....    he accidentally shot and killed himself?

 

Incredibly sad.......

 

 

Yes, this news is incredibly disheartening to say the least. Gone at 26. His whole life was ahead of him. Sigh..I always get melancholy when a member of the beloved horseshoe family passes. 

 

I wish guys would store ammo & their weapons separately. Not Tipton's fault. Freak accidents are part of life unfortunately. 

[Gavin]

9 minutes ago, jskinnz said:

 

Then what exactly were you trying to say because you sure seemed to imply something sinister was in the works.

I wouldn't imply it if I thought he was up to something sinister. I'd come right out and say it. Maybe he was just moving the bags? Who knows but there is more to this story we don't have. At least yet.

[ColtsBlueFL]

5 hours ago, jskinnz said:

 

He did not reference Tipton by name - just 37.  Presumably that is a jersey # but maybe not.  Even if it is it could be a HS or college teammate because I see nothing on google about Tipton passing away.  In fact the name mentioned in the Tweet is Brodie.

 

Probably need to confirm this info before starting a thread on it.

 

5 hours ago, Krauses said:

Brodie is a term people use for friend. It means the same thing as "bro".  Also it has a picture of Zurlon and also refers to Detroit where Tipton is from. Think it's about as clear as you can get that he is referring to Tipton.

 

It's also a general term that has been used universally for someone that attempts something Dangerous.  Steve Brodie (supposedly} jumped from the Brooklyn Bridge in 1886 and lived.  So often a dangerous action (whether it ends tragically or not) has been termed termed a Brodie.

 

Sad to hear, peace to his family.

[southwest1]

4 hours ago, Smonroe said:

 

 

This is was a totally avoidable accident.  My sympathies to his family.

I am leaning in that direction as well S-monroe, but naturally, I have no idea either. I feel so sorry for police officers who have to give death notifications to distraught mothers & loved ones. I can't even imagine having to do that duty for real. 

47 minutes ago, jskinnz said:

 

Man, you have no idea what he was doing.  And until you do have an idea, I think you would be well served to leave it be. 

 

 

True, we are all operating in the proverbial dark here. Gavin's a good guy here & so are you jskinnz. We're all friends here. It's cool. I knew what Gavin was driving at & I took no issue with it.

 

He wasn't tarnishing Tipton's memory or anything IMO. Just waiting for the dust to settle & all the facts to roll out in due time. Okay, maybe it was the wrong time to raise suspicions over such a fresh tragedy. But Gavin's not a mean spirited person. It's worth investigating further just to dot all the i's & cross all the T's that's all. Just a call for being thorough. Nothing more; nothing less. 

[Jason_]

32 minutes ago, southwest1 said:

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I wish guys would store ammo & their weapons separately. Not Tipton's fault. 

 

doesn't the first sentence there kinda contradict the second?

[southwest1]

5 minutes ago, Jason_S said:

 

doesn't the first sentence there kinda contradict the second?

Yeah, it does Jason. The same thought crossed my mind right after I hit send. Touche. 

 

I didn't want somebody implying that I blamed Tipton for carelessness etc. Your point is valid though. No argument there. 

 

Also, gun owners have died simply because they removed a clip safely, but they forgot to check the chamber for a live bullet left inside. 

[NewColtsFan]

4 minutes ago, southwest1 said:

Yeah, it does Jason. The same thought crossed my mind right after I hit send. Touche. 

 

I didn't want somebody implying that I blamed Tipton for carelessness etc. Your point is valid though. No argument there. 

 

Very classy response.....      thanks....

 

 

[krunk]

4 hours ago, Gavin said:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/06/28/former-colts-rb-zurlon-tipton-dead-after-accidentally-shooting-himself/

 

Pulling a duffle bag out of the car at a car dealership with loaded guns in the bag. Unfortunate but it does beg the question what was he going to do with that bug with two loaded guns had one not gone off

Well there's plenty of reason to carry loaded guns in Detroit. But who knows what his reasons were.

[Jason_]

25 minutes ago, southwest1 said:

Yeah, it does Jason. The same thought crossed my mind right after I hit send. Touche. 

 

I didn't want somebody implying that I blamed Tipton for carelessness etc. Your point is valid though. No argument there. 

 

Also, gun owners have died simply because they removed a clip safely, but they forgot to check the chamber for a live bullet left inside. 

 

Oh I have no doubt that at least some level of carelessness was involved.  I'd say the same for the "forgot to check the chamber" scenario as well.  That's the kind of thing a responsible gun owner has to know.

[southwest1]

20 minutes ago, krunk said:

Well there's plenty of reason to carry loaded guns in Detroit. But who knows what his reasons were.

That is an interesting point krunk. Some sections of the country might how do I put this delicately? Have a slow to non existent police response time requiring the ability to protect yourself & think on your feet. 

 

Every situation has it's own unique solution I suppose & sometimes ingenuity mandates more than humor & quick wit. So yeah, I get where you're coming from. 

[southwest1]

2 minutes ago, Jason_S said:

 

Oh I have no doubt that at least some level of carelessness was involved.  I'd say the same for the "forgot to check the chamber" scenario as well.  That's the kind of thing a responsible gun owner has to know.

Sometimes though, it's more a matter of fatigue & thinking about other stuff that needs to get done in short order regarding work or family than sheer incompetence or foolish negligence though Jason. 

 

Generally, I agree with that assessment. However, there is always the rare exception that defies the rule. 

[NorthernBlue]

Wow. Just wow. Really shocking. Whether you agree with gun laws or not, the important part is a young man just prematurely lost his life.....thoughts and prayers 

[krunk]

4 minutes ago, southwest1 said:

That is an interesting point krunk. Some sections of the country might how do I put this delicately? Have a slow to non existent police response requiring the ability to protect yourself & think on your feet. 

 

Every situation has it's own unique solution I suppose & sometimes ingenuity mandates more than humor & quick wit. So yeah, I get where your coming from. 

No need to be delicate SW1. Detroit isnt exactly a safe place. I'm not even going to waste energy on the whys and what not's, but I'm not that surprised he had loaded guns in that place to be honest. I just hate to see he lost his life behind it. It really is awful.

[Jason_]

13 minutes ago, southwest1 said:

Sometimes though, it's more a matter of fatigue & thinking about other stuff that needs to get done in short order regarding work or family than sheer incompetence or foolish negligence though Jason. 

 

Whiskey tango foxtrot?  You turned me saying, "at least some level of carelessness" into "sheer incompetence or foolish negligence".  That's not what I said.  The reasons you gave about fatigue, thinking about other things...that's all well and good....but the gun isn't going to give a crap about any of that.  If you are that fatigued or you are thinking about other stuff that needs to get done...then don't handle a loaded weapon.  If you do, well, consequences. 

[southwest1]

2 minutes ago, krunk said:

No need to be delicate SW1. Detroit isnt exactly a safe place. I'm not even going to waste energy on the whys and what not's, but I'm not that surprised he had loaded guns in that place to be honest. I just hate to see he lost his life behind it. It really is awful.

Stay safe out there krunk where ever you drive to & thru on a regular basis I mean. I've never been to Detroit so I can't say with any level of authority what sections of Michigan are okay to travel through. 

 

I guess I'm just lucky I guess that I grew up in places without any gun related disputes or incessant concerns about community safety. 

 

Yes, losing his life the way he did is just not the way anybody should leave this world. 

[southwest1]

7 minutes ago, Jason_S said:

 

Whiskey tango foxtrot?  You turned me saying, "at least some level of carelessness" into "sheer incompetence or foolish negligence".  That's not what I said.  The reasons you gave about fatigue, thinking about other things...that's all well and good....but the gun isn't going to give a crap about any of that.  If you are that fatigued or you are thinking about other stuff that needs to get done...then don't handle a loaded weapon.  If you do, well, consequences. 

What the heck does Whiskey Tango Foxtrot even mean? You lost me man. Yeah, I know it's a movie & all, but you lost me in translation Jason. 

 

I didn't twist anything around or put words in your mouth at all. Please. I simply pointed out that when people get tired they tend to overlook things & that choice can lead to fatalities. Do you honestly think every gun owner handles their weaponry with a perfect level of sleep, rest, & rational thought? Most do yes, but not all. 

[Coltsman1788]

Very sad to learn of Zurlon's death.  May he rest in peace.  Prayers go out to his family. 

[LJpalmbeacher2]

Wow! WHAT A SHAME!

Rest in peace. 

[Jason_]

9 minutes ago, southwest1 said:

What the heck does Whiskey Tango Foxtrot even mean? You lost me man. Yeah, I know it's a movie & all, but you lost me in translation Jason. 

 

Not going to perfectly explain but I'll give you the first few breadcrumbs...keep the Military Phonetic Alphabet in mind when considering that phrase.

 

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I didn't twist anything around or put words in your mouth at all.

 

Yes, you absolutely did and I provided the exact quotes in my previous post.  

 

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I simply pointed out that when people get tired they tend to overlook things & that choice can lead to fatalities. 

 

Exactly.  Like I said...consequences.  And if John Doe decides to handle a loaded weapon while tired and he winds up shooting himself...well that sucks but still...carelessness.  It doesn't make him a bad person and it surely doesn't mean he is filled with sheer incompetence.  But yes, I would argue that it does make him foolishly negligent.  It makes him negligent by sheer definition of the word "negligent", and common sense says that guns are very dangerous and should be handled with extreme care, so for that reason I'd also say that the "foolish" qualifier is appropriate. 

[rabidfan77]

3 hours ago, crazycolt1 said:

I am sad to hear of this news. Till more details come out it is hard to comprehend exactly what happened. Was it simply a case of a cheap gun or a safety matter? It is not common for a gun to just go off without some sort of safety measure not be taken.

It depends on the age of the gun most newer firearms have safety features, but older guns don't I have a 1930's rifle that is NEVER loaded when I'm not at the range. One could easily shoot themselves accidentally with my rifle. But RIP to Mr. Zurlon Tipton he is gone too soon my heart goes out to his family this is so sad.

[oldunclemark]

6 hours ago, NewColtsFan said:

 

So, as best we can figure....    he accidentally shot and killed himself?

 

Incredibly sad.......

 

 

Apparently so.....that's such a waste....an accident

Cant imagine how bad his family feels

[oldunclemark]

50 minutes ago, NorthernBlue said:

Wow. Just wow. Really shocking. Whether you agree with gun laws or not, the important part is a young man just prematurely lost his life.....thoughts and prayers 

Yeah, we can lecture each other on carrying loaded guns around but what';s the point.?

He's gone.....and he had a ton of life ahead of him

[NFLfan]

41 minutes ago, NorthernBlue said:

Wow. Just wow. Really shocking. Whether you agree with gun laws or not, the important part is a young man just prematurely lost his life.....thoughts and prayers 

 

Nicely stated.

 

It is sad that this young man lost his life. Thankfully the gun did not discharge more than once and kill another person.

 

My condolences to his family and Colts fans.

[crazycolt1]

1 hour ago, krunk said:

No need to be delicate SW1. Detroit isnt exactly a safe place. I'm not even going to waste energy on the whys and what not's, but I'm not that surprised he had loaded guns in that place to be honest. I just hate to see he lost his life behind it. It really is awful.

I was up on Woodward Ave. in Detroit years ago and yes, it was a bad place to be. It was one of the few times I was scared enough to wonder if I was going to get out at all.

[southwest1]

3 hours ago, Jason_S said:

the gun isn't going to give a crap about any of that.

I like you Jason, but I fail to see what an inanimate object like a gun has to do with anything. Did I, or anyone else for that matter attach either human, emotional, or supernatural characteristics to Mr. Tipton's tragic outcome in this thread? No. 

 

I don't fathom what your point is here since the issue here is how the victim in this case handled firearms in his possession. It's like bumping into a chair, falling on the floor, twisting your shoulder, & then blaming the chair for your unexpected chiropractor bill. 

[southwest1]

3 hours ago, Jason_S said:

 

Not going to perfectly explain but I'll give you the first few breadcrumbs...keep the Military Phonetic Alphabet in mind when considering that phrase.

If you didn't want to elaborate, all you had to do is say so. Just say precisely what you mean or forget it. I've got better things to do besides trying to decipher some military code. 

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Yes, you absolutely did and I provided the exact quotes in my previous post.  

No, I did not. I merely presented an alternate reason for the accident. Fatigue. Did I claim your views were unfounded? No. Did I coerce you into accepting my theory as the ultimate cause for Tipton's death? No. An alternate perspective is hardly twisting what you said. 

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Exactly.  Like I said...consequences.  And if John Doe decides to handle a loaded weapon while tired and he winds up shooting himself...well that sucks but still...carelessness.  It doesn't make him a bad person and it surely doesn't mean he is filled with sheer incompetence.  But yes, I would argue that it does make him foolishly negligent.  It makes him negligent by sheer definition of the word "negligent", and common sense says that guns are very dangerous and should be handled with extreme care, so for that reason I'd also say that the "foolish" qualifier is appropriate. 

I agree with the bulk of what you say here Jason. Firearms should be handled with respect & care. Tipton bears some responsibility in his own untimely demise sure. However, fatigue isn't always synonymous with carelessness in my book though. Life is rarely that black & white. There's a lot of grey out there. Say you have a demolition expert in charge of collapsing an outdated casino building to dust. He sets the charges, clears the area, yells fire in the hole!, & brings the structure down. He had a long weekend on vacation with his wife & kids, feels a little drowsy, but he's a seasoned pro. Now, if some of the charges didn't go off as planned, is he negligent or careless? No, sometimes wiring shorts out no matter what a professional does. True, the difference in my hypothetical scenario is that nobody died or lost their life prematurely. 

 

Here's my point: Fatigue isn't always carelessness. Sometimes, a person is just overconfident due to doing several jobs without a glitch & as a result, drowsiness isn't always seen as a weakness or liability. 

[SteelCityColt]

What a sad waste of life, especially in an avoidable accident. 

 

Can I kindly ask that we try and keep the focus on that rather than digress into the politics of gun control. 

[Coffeedrinker]

6 hours ago, southwest1 said:

If you didn't want to elaborate, all you had to do is say so. Just say precisely what you mean or forget it. I've got better things to do besides trying to decipher some military code. 

No, I did not. I merely presented an alternate reason for the accident. Fatigue. Did I claim your views were unfounded? No. Did I coerce you into accepting my theory as the ultimate cause for Tipton's death? No. An alternate perspective is hardly twisting what you said. 

I agree with the bulk of what you say here Jason. Firearms should be handled with respect & care. Tipton bears some responsibility in his own untimely demise sure. However, fatigue isn't always synonymous with carelessness in my book though. Life is rarely that black & white. There's a lot of grey out there. Say you have a demolition expert in charge of collapsing an outdated casino building to dust. He sets the charges, clears the area, yells fire in the hole!, & brings the structure down. He had a long weekend on vacation with his wife & kids, feels a little drowsy, but he's a seasoned pro. Now, if some of the charges didn't go off as planned, is he negligent or careless? No, sometimes wiring shorts out no matter what a professional does. True, the difference in my hypothetical scenario is that nobody died or lost their life prematurely. 

 

Here's my point: Fatigue isn't always carelessness. Sometimes, a person is just overconfident due to doing several jobs without a glitch & as a result, drowsiness isn't always seen as a weakness or liability. 

Whiskey Tango Foxtrot... WTH ... What the F...

 

Apparently wth is not allowed on this site because it keeps changing it.

[Valpo2004]

10 hours ago, southwest1 said:

What the heck does Whiskey Tango Foxtrot even mean? You lost me man. Yeah, I know it's a movie & all, but you lost me in translation Jason. 

 

I didn't twist anything around or put words in your mouth at all. Please. I simply pointed out that when people get tired they tend to overlook things & that choice can lead to fatalities. Do you honestly think every gun owner handles their weaponry with a perfect level of sleep, rest, & rational thought? Most do yes, but not all. 

 

Take the first letter of each word and put them together to get an acronym.  That's what it means.

[Jason_]

7 hours ago, southwest1 said:

If you didn't want to elaborate, all you had to do is say so. Just say precisely what you mean or forget it. I've got better things to do besides trying to decipher some military code. 

 

http://lmgtfy.com/

 

Was that so difficult?

 

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No, I did not. I merely presented an alternate reason for the accident.

 

For the love of God...I said  "Oh I have no doubt that at least some level of carelessness was involved."  Your direct response to that was, " Sometimes though, it's more a matter of fatigue & thinking about other stuff that needs to get done in short order regarding work or family than sheer incompetence or foolish negligence though Jason "

 

Neither sheer incompetence nor foolish negligence are the same thing as carelessness.  Negligence and carelessness are very close to the same thing, but you're the one that added "foolish"..not me.

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Fatigue. Did I claim your views were unfounded? No. Did I coerce you into accepting my theory as the ultimate cause for Tipton's death? No. An alternate perspective is hardly twisting what you said.

 

 

Did I say that you claimed my views were unfounded?  Did I say that you tried to coerce me?  No to both so no idea how either question is relevant.  

 

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I agree with the bulk of what you say here Jason. Firearms should be handled with respect & care. Tipton bears some responsibility in his own untimely demise sure.

 

That (the bolded) was ultimately the only point I was trying to make.  

 

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However, fatigue isn't always synonymous with carelessness in my book though. Life is rarely that black & white. There's a lot of grey out there.

 

I never said that being fatigued is being careless.  However handling a loaded weapon while being fatigued IS being careless.  As is driving a car while fatigued or many, MANY other activities that many people, myself included, participate in while being fatigued.  No one is 100% careful 100% of the time throughout their life.  I get that.  I never tried to claim anything different.  That doesn't change the fact though, that if you knowingly participate in a dangerous activity when you're not in the proper state of mind to do so is being careless. <--My opinion.

 

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Say you have a demolition expert in charge of collapsing an outdated casino building to dust. He sets the charges, clears the area, yells fire in the hole!, & brings the structure down. He had a long weekend on vacation with his wife & kids, feels a little drowsy, but he's a seasoned pro. Now, if some of the charges didn't go off as planned, is he negligent or careless?

 

Yes!  that is absolutely being negligent or careless unless the charges in question were faulty themselves.  Just because he's a seasoned pro or an expert doesn't mean he can't or won't have momentary lapses of negligence or carelessness.  And when you're working with explosives like that, you should damn well be sure you're well rested for the morning that you have to blow crap up.

 

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Here's my point: Fatigue isn't always carelessness. Sometimes, a person is just overconfident due to doing several jobs without a glitch & as a result, drowsiness isn't always seen as a weakness or liability. 

 

I never said the words weakness nor liability. 

[King Colt]

I would hate to learn of the millions of gun owners how many have taken a single gun training course. Why was the gun loaded? Some pistols will fire when dropped and some are designed not to. How many owners know that about their weapons, very few I'm sure. Perhaps the most common accidental shooting comes from semi-autos with a single round in the chamber and the victim believes the gun is not loaded because the clip is out. Many years ago I dropped at Colt 38 caliber derringer while I was going up the basement stairs after target shooting. It landed on the stair in front of me and the round sailed by the left side of my head missing by only a couple inches. Why did it go off? I forgot to quarter * the hammer putting it in the safety position. One mistake, one time is all it takes. You can spend an eight hour training day learning a lot despite the idea you are convinced you are gun smart when in fact you may learn one small thing that may save your life someday. 

[tikyle]

29 minutes ago, King Colt said:

I would hate to learn of the millions of gun owners how many have taken a single gun training course. Why was the gun loaded? Some pistols will fire when dropped and some are designed not to. How many owners know that about their weapons, very few I'm sure. Perhaps the most common accidental shooting comes from semi-autos with a single round in the chamber and the victim believes the gun is not loaded because the clip is out. Many years ago I dropped at Colt 38 caliber derringer while I was going up the basement stairs after target shooting. It landed on the stair in front of me and the round sailed by the left side of my head missing by only a couple inches. Why did it go off? I forgot to quarter * the hammer putting it in the safety position. One mistake, one time is all it takes. You can spend an eight hour training day learning a lot despite the idea you are convinced you are gun smart when in fact you may learn one small thing that may save your life someday. 

RIP Mr. Tipton.  Sad.

 

King Colt, you really think people (in general) want to be educated?  They want their guilty pleasures, their toys and things that make them feel good and they don't want to know the reality of how those things are achieved, made, possible, what damage they do, how it effects others, etc.  Guns are no exception to this.  Football is the same.  So is "adult entertainment" and food and travel and resorts and pretty people in magazines and so on and so forth.  We want to indulge in it without thinking about how it's "made."

[Hoosiernsavga]

Very sad and unfortunate! Thank goodness it didn't accidentally kill anyone else that was around him. 

[Coffeedrinker]

2 hours ago, King Colt said:

I would hate to learn of the millions of gun owners how many have taken a single gun training course. Why was the gun loaded? Some pistols will fire when dropped and some are designed not to. How many owners know that about their weapons, very few I'm sure. Perhaps the most common accidental shooting comes from semi-autos with a single round in the chamber and the victim believes the gun is not loaded because the clip is out. Many years ago I dropped at Colt 38 caliber derringer while I was going up the basement stairs after target shooting. It landed on the stair in front of me and the round sailed by the left side of my head missing by only a couple inches. Why did it go off? I forgot to quarter * the hammer putting it in the safety position. One mistake, one time is all it takes. You can spend an eight hour training day learning a lot despite the idea you are convinced you are gun smart when in fact you may learn one small thing that may save your life someday. 

What happened is truly sad, as it is whenever something like this happens.

 

You can't legislate against carelessness or stupidity.

[NewEra]

Stupid accidents happen all the time. With guns, hammers, you name it. Just get more media attention when they're famous. Sad and completely avoidable. 

[TheRustonRifle#7]

When I heard about this on my drive to work I was very surprised and of course saddened...

[King Colt]

On ‎6‎/‎29‎/‎2016 at 9:45 AM, tikyle said:

RIP Mr. Tipton.  Sad.

 

King Colt, you really think people (in general) want to be educated?  They want their guilty pleasures, their toys and things that make them feel good and they don't want to know the reality of how those things are achieved, made, possible, what damage they do, how it effects others, etc.  Guns are no exception to this.  Football is the same.  So is "adult entertainment" and food and travel and resorts and pretty people in magazines and so on and so forth.  We want to indulge in it without thinking about how it's "made."

I'll throw out a guess that someone has never owned a weapon.

[Horse Shoe Heaven]

On 6/28/2016 at 2:24 PM, Smonroe said:

So sad.  I'm not for gun control but I am for gun education. 

 

This is was a totally avoidable accident.  My sympathies to his family.

This is correct. Wow why loaded guns in a trunk, no safeties on? Senseless  Tragedy!! Rest in peace Zurlon!!

[HOZER]

RIP Zurlon.....what a bad deal....

 

ALWAYS treat your firearms like they're loaded!!!!!!

[southwest1]

On June 29, 2016 at 8:58 AM, Jason_S said:

 

http://lmgtfy.com/

 

Was that so difficult?

 What's so difficult with just typing out what you mean? There is no need to be cryptic, clever, or too cute for your own good. 

On June 29, 2016 at 8:58 AM, Jason_S said:

 

For the love of God...I said  "Oh I have no doubt that at least some level of carelessness was involved."  Your direct response to that was, " Sometimes though, it's more a matter of fatigue & thinking about other stuff that needs to get done in short order regarding work or family than sheer incompetence or foolish negligence though Jason "

Apparently, I struck a nerve. Sorry if you are having an unpleasant day Jason. 

On June 29, 2016 at 8:58 AM, Jason_S said:

Neither sheer incompetence nor foolish negligence are the same thing as carelessness.  Negligence and carelessness are very close to the same thing, but you're the one that added "foolish"..not me.

 

Did I say that you claimed my views were unfounded?  Did I say that you tried to coerce me?  No to both so no idea how either question is relevant.  

 

 

That (the bolded) was ultimately the only point I was trying to make.  

 

 

I never said that being fatigued is being careless.  However handling a loaded weapon while being fatigued IS being careless.  As is driving a car while fatigued or many, MANY other activities that many people, myself included, participate in while being fatigued.  No one is 100% careful 100% of the time throughout their life.  I get that.  I never tried to claim anything different.  That doesn't change the fact though, that if you knowingly participate in a dangerous activity when you're not in the proper state of mind to do so is being careless. <--My opinion.

 

 

Yes!  that is absolutely being negligent or careless unless the charges in question were faulty themselves.  Just because he's a seasoned pro or an expert doesn't mean he can't or won't have momentary lapses of negligence or carelessness.  And when you're working with explosives like that, you should damn well be sure you're well rested for the morning that you have to blow crap up.

 

 

I never said the words weakness nor liability. 

We are not in a court of law here & you & I just have a difference of interpretation regarding this Tipton tragedy that's all.