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Apologizing now if this was a topic a long time ago but.... can someone enlighten me on the excitement for Joe.. Im excited too but maybe for the wrong reason. He should be a upgrade from what we had prior i think is my excitement and our change to a zbs.. but wasnt Tannehill one of the most sacked quarterbacks in the league last 4-5 years? Heard Joe had some success in GB but there was no transition to Miami? Not trying to be the devils advocate but can someone educate me because i want to know more about our new O-line coach himself and his accomplishments.

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4 minutes ago, MarquisJ said:

Apologizing now if this was a topic a long time ago but.... can someone enlighten me on the excitement for Joe.. Im excited too but maybe for the wrong reason. He should be a upgrade from what we had prior i think is my excitement and our change to a zbs.. but wasnt Tannehill one of the most sacked quarterbacks in the league last 4-5 years? Heard Joe had some success in GB but there was no transition to Miami? Not trying to be the devils advocate but can someone educate me because i want to know more about our new O-line coach himself and his accomplishments.

He was a HC in Miami. Way to many irons in the fire to blame any O-line woes on him in that instance. He was successful in GB 03-06 as their oline coach. He's a upgrade to the staff

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3 minutes ago, IndyD4U said:

He was a HC in Miami. Way to many irons in the fire to blame any O-line woes on him in that instance. He was successful in GB 03-06 as their oline coach. He's a upgrade to the staff

so then my next question is.... if youre a HC... and you see your qb getting hit out of his mind.... at practice wouldnt you spend more time with that group especially since you are a OL speacialist? hey idk maybe im wrong but our HC is a db guru if u ask me he got the best out of Vontae/Butler and more to come so why didnt joe do the same?

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3 minutes ago, MarquisJ said:

Apologizing now if this was a topic a long time ago but.... can someone enlighten me on the excitement for Joe.. Im excited too but maybe for the wrong reason. He should be a upgrade from what we had prior i think is my excitement and our change to a zbs.. but wasnt Tannehill one of the most sacked quarterbacks in the league last 4-5 years? Heard Joe had some success in GB but there was no transition to Miami? Not trying to be the devils advocate but can someone educate me because i want to know more about our new O-line coach himself and his accomplishments.

 

 Your question shows a real lack of knowledge of Miami`s O-Line players and about Tannehill`s problems getting rid of the ball.

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He is an offensive line guru, and his ceiling is an offensive coordinator. He helped Green Bay set franchise records on offense. 

 

I believe he will end up succeeding Chud as our offensive coordinator. I can see Chud having a lot of success in our system, and then getting another crack at a head coaching gig.

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Just now, throwing BBZ said:

 

 Your question shows a real lack of knowledge of Miami`s O-Line players and about Tannehill`s problems getting rid of the ball.

lol thats why im seeking knowledge? :lol: the OP literally says educate me but thanks never knew he had timing problems

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1 minute ago, BlueShoe said:

He is an offensive line guru, and his ceiling is an offensive coordinator. He helped Green Bay set franchise records on offense. 

 

I believe he will end up succeeding Chud as our offensive coordinator. 

such an appropriate response unlike our peer BBZ and you have educated a young grasshopper thank you

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2 minutes ago, throwing BBZ said:

 

 Your question shows a real lack of knowledge of Miami`s O-Line players and about Tannehill`s problems getting rid of the ball.

 

Come on, man!

 

MarquisJ is being very cool, and only asking for our input.

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5 minutes ago, MarquisJ said:

so then my next question is.... if youre a HC... and you see your qb getting hit out of his mind.... at practice wouldnt you spend more time with that group especially since you are a OL speacialist? hey idk maybe im wrong but our HC is a db guru if u ask me he got the best out of Vontae/Butler and more to come so why didnt joe do the same?

yet CB, despite Vontae, has been a need/concern for years. Ultimately it comes down to the position coaches. 

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2 minutes ago, IndyD4U said:

yet CB, despite Vontae, has been a need/concern for years. Ultimately it comes down to the position coaches. 

idk man when greg was healthy and Darius was top 5 in interceptions that one year (i believe) and with vonate we looked pretty damn good at dbs.... it wasnt till greg got hurt and darius just stop becoming a playmaker

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5 minutes ago, MarquisJ said:

idk man when greg was healthy and Darius was top 5 in interceptions that one year (i believe) and with vonate we looked pretty damn good at dbs.... it wasnt till greg got hurt and darius just stop becoming a playmaker

Darius is better in the slot, no doubt. IMO, he isn't a world beater by any means. Philbin brings immense knowledge to the Oline. When a coach only has one position group to be concerned with he can focus 100% on that duty. Unlike a HC, who is trying to game plan with both coordinators for the upcoming week, who relies on his position coaches to get that group ready.

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The issues with the line in Miami were on the GM and some other factors. Jonathan Martin was never good for them. They had to let Incognito go. They didn't want to pay Jake long, so he walked. And in 2013 they traded up for Dion Jordan and passed on Lane Johnson. Samson Setele is the starting center.

 

I could go on an on. Bottom line is that he's never had good lineman to work with. He came to Indy at a perfect time. He's going to have good lineman for once. Vets and young guys he can coach up.

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1 minute ago, IndyD4U said:

Darius is better in the slot, no doubt. IMO, he isn't a world beater by any means. Philbin brings immense knowledge to the Oline. When a coach only has one position group to be concerned with he can focus 100% on that duty. Unlike a HC, who is trying to game plan with both coordinators for the upcoming week, who relies on his position coaches to get that group ready.

that makes sense i just hope he fixes our line man we can only go as far as Andrew takes us and when hes hurt it really shows how much talent we actually have on our team.

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22 minutes ago, MarquisJ said:

Apologizing now if this was a topic a long time ago but.... can someone enlighten me on the excitement for Joe.. Im excited too but maybe for the wrong reason. He should be a upgrade from what we had prior i think is my excitement and our change to a zbs.. but wasnt Tannehill one of the most sacked quarterbacks in the league last 4-5 years? Heard Joe had some success in GB but there was no transition to Miami? Not trying to be the devils advocate but can someone educate me because i want to know more about our new O-line coach himself and his accomplishments.

Chuck is an alleged defense guru and our defenses have been garbage. It seems hiring a head coach in the NFL for his expertise in one phase of football is a waste of time as he will be too busy doing other things. I hope this makes sense to you now that so many people have explained it to you? It doesn't make any sense to me, however.

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1 minute ago, azcolt said:

Chuck is an alleged defense guru and our defenses have been garbage. It seems hiring a head coach in the NFL for his expertise in one phase of football is a waste of time as he will be too busy doing other things. I hope this makes sense to you now that so many people have explained it to you? It doesn't make any sense to me, however.

it didnt make sense to me for awhile either i remember when pagano first came here and first thing he talked about was defense and we've yet to see one... thats why i brought up this post does that mentality really work???

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1 hour ago, MarquisJ said:

so then my next question is.... if youre a HC... and you see your qb getting hit out of his mind.... at practice wouldnt you spend more time with that group especially since you are a OL speacialist? hey idk maybe im wrong but our HC is a db guru if u ask me he got the best out of Vontae/Butler and more to come so why didnt joe do the same?

 

I'm speculating, but my guess is Pagano & Philbin just have different approaches as HC. Pagano is very hands-on, especially last year, whereas Philbin was probably trying to be really careful not to undermine his position coaches by micromanaging them to death, but maybe that was to a fault.

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1 hour ago, azcolt said:

Chuck is an alleged defense guru and our defenses have been garbage. It seems hiring a head coach in the NFL for his expertise in one phase of football is a waste of time as he will be too busy doing other things. I hope this makes sense to you now that so many people have explained it to you? It doesn't make any sense to me, however.

Pagano is NO DEFENSIVE GURU.

He was a DB coach for Ravens and was promoted to DC for 1 season where he had players like ray lewis, ed reed, ngata etc..... Ray Lewis joking said they didn't need a DC as the unit coached itself.

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1 hour ago, MarquisJ said:

Apologizing now if this was a topic a long time ago but.... can someone enlighten me on the excitement for Joe.. Im excited too but maybe for the wrong reason. He should be a upgrade from what we had prior i think is my excitement and our change to a zbs.. but wasnt Tannehill one of the most sacked quarterbacks in the league last 4-5 years? Heard Joe had some success in GB but there was no transition to Miami? Not trying to be the devils advocate but can someone educate me because i want to know more about our new O-line coach himself and his accomplishments.

1) When it comes to Xs and Os, he knows what he's doing.  Even Miami fans acknowledge that he knows football Xs and Os even though his tenure with them was rocky

2) Philbin has a lot of experience as an OL coach

3) He also has experience as a head coach, though I don't think he's suited for that role.  Regardless, he's another set of experienced eyes and ears in the offensive meetings.

4) In case Chud gets another head coaching opportunity, Philbin gives us an in-house replacement for him

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18 minutes ago, LJpalmbeacher said:

Pagano is NO DEFENSIVE GURU.

He was a DB coach for Ravens and was promoted to DC for 1 season where he had players like ray lewis, ed reed, ngata etc..... Ray Lewis joking said they didn't need a DC as the unit coached itself.

 

^^^This.

 

Players loved to play for him. In fact, I would venture to say he is as good a head coach as he is DC. It is a statement that you can interpret in several ways :) but his speaking and social skills do suit the teaching role, IMO.

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45 minutes ago, chad72 said:

 

^^^This.

 

Players loved to play for him. In fact, I would venture to say he is as good a head coach as he is DC. It is a statement that you can interpret in several ways :) but his speaking and social skills do suit the teaching role, IMO.

Sounds like a good skill set for a maitre d' if the head coaching gig ends.

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I am a big fan getting former HCs on the rebound for positional coaches. They tend to have a burning desire to prove themselves and their experience running the show gives them a better overall sense of how a team functions and how their position integrates to the team as a whole.

 

This was a fantastic hire at an opportune time for the Colts. We just picked up a bumper crop of talent in the draft and we have a couple of solid vets. Philbin has a reputation as an excellent Oline coach. I expect to see big strides in improvement this season going forward.

 

And as others are saying, HC is too generally demanding to let whatever specialty they may have show through. At the end of the day, it's up to the individual position coaches to make their charge work. Remember offensive mastermind Jim Caldwell? Guy was, and still is, a cardboard cutout at HC. He was a killer at QBs for us and the Ravens and then excelled at OC for them as well.

 

Just one thing though, I hope someone in the coaching staff is paying attention to what Pilbin does. Because I anticipate his success will have him leaving for greener pastures sooner rather than later.

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6 hours ago, throwing BBZ said:

 

 Your question shows a real lack of knowledge of Miami`s O-Line players and about Tannehill`s problems getting rid of the ball.

 

Really?

 

Your comment shows a real lack of knowledge of fandom.     Why should any fan of any team be expected to know about players from another team that they don't root for?    Why would you hold a Colts fan responsible for knowing what's going on with Tannehill who plays for Miami?      Who does that?

 

Come on now...........

 

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Philbin showed in his years coaching the OL at Green Bay that he doesn't need a ton of high round draft picks to create a very solid o-line.    He turned his players into a cohesive unit that played at a high level.    And he did so emphasizing the zone blocking scheme which is what we're trying to use more of this year.

 

A very, very good hire.....

 

 

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Sad that the Colts hire a good man with reliable knowledge and experience and we have a few who want nothing to do but be negative. I have a feeling that no matter who was hired, how many games we won, if we won a super bowl or even if we went undefeated they would find some kind of fault with it. Calling themselves fans is a farce.

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11 minutes ago, crazycolt1 said:

Sad that the Colts hire a good man with reliable knowledge and experience and we have a few who want nothing to do but be negative. I have a feeling that no matter who was hired, how many games we won, if we won a super bowl or even if we went undefeated they would find some kind of fault with it. Calling themselves fans is a farce.

 

Agreed.

 

We have a star-studded coaching roster, and people still complain. It is their prerogative; I guess.

 

This is the most experienced coaching staff we have ever had, in the history of the Indianapolis Colts. 

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2 minutes ago, BlueShoe said:

 

Agreed.

 

We have a star-studded coaching roster, and people still complain. It is their prerogative; I guess.

 

This is the most experienced coaching staff we have ever had, in the history of the Indianapolis Colts. 

I was being pretty sarcastic but I feel there is a lot of truth to my comment.

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12 hours ago, LJpalmbeacher said:

Pagano is NO DEFENSIVE GURU.

He was a DB coach for Ravens and was promoted to DC for 1 season where he had players like ray lewis, ed reed, ngata etc..... Ray Lewis joking said they didn't need a DC as the unit coached itself.

Why do not more people know this????   Because they attach themselves to a popular storyline that makes them fell better. 

 

 

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12 minutes ago, Coltfreak said:

Why do not more people know this????   Because they attach themselves to a popular storyline that makes them fell better. 

 

 

Making them feel better? What are you even talking about? Pagano is who he is. I think we all know that.

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14 minutes ago, BlueShoe said:

 

Agreed.

 

We have a star-studded coaching roster, and people still complain. It is their prerogative; I guess.

 

This is the most experienced coaching staff we have ever had, in the history of the Indianapolis Colts. 

-We have a middle of the pack HC to this point at best...A great motivator...But X's and O'S and innovator? Not yet...Maybe someday soon...Not yet

 

-We have an O Coordinator that showed he is capable of adjusting to suit the talent of the QB but hasn't shown what he has in store for a full 16 games yet (Though I'm optimistic...But I need to see it)

 

-A first year defensive Coordinator (At any level).....I'm optimistic and I liked what he had to say when he was hired...But its his first year

 

-Joe Gilbert is somehow still a coach on the Colts....Though I'm hoping all that venom I spit at him last year was misplaced

 

-Brian Schottenheimer does have Philip Rivers to his credit who he was the QB coach of his rookie and Sophomore year, He also coached Sam Bradford. So I do have some faith in him but other then the places he was a coach of I don't really know about him

 

-Running Backs coach Jemal Singleton has helped Kendall Hunter and Joseph Randle get drafted...I'm actually high on Hunter as a Scat Back if he could just stay healthy but he has shown he can produce if he can stay healthy

 

-Brad White OLB coach-Have not made up my mind just yet on him. First year OLB coach now

 

-Greg Williams is a 1st year DB coach but 2 years as an assistant with the Chargers

 

-Gary Emanuel-I think he is a good coach but hasn't always had the best talent to work with

 

-Jim Hermann I think will prove to be a good higher and has coached some good players with the Jets and Giants

 

-Jim Hostler is a 1st year TE coach

 

-Lee Hull has 14 years as a wide receivers coach...But 0 at the NFL level

 

 

 

If we are being honest here there is a lot of coaches on the team with a lot to prove. Just my opinion from what I see

 

 

 

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29 minutes ago, Gavin said:

-We have a middle of the pack HC to this point at best...A great motivator...But X's and O'S and innovator? Not yet...Maybe someday soon...Not yet

 

-We have an O Coordinator that showed he is capable of adjusting to suit the talent of the QB but hasn't shown what he has in store for a full 16 games yet (Though I'm optimistic...But I need to see it)

 

-A first year defensive Coordinator (At any level).....I'm optimistic and I liked what he had to say when he was hired...But its his first year

 

-Joe Gilbert is somehow still a coach on the Colts....Though I'm hoping all that venom I spit at him last year was misplaced

 

-Brian Schottenheimer does have Philip Rivers to his credit who he was the QB coach of his rookie and Sophomore year, He also coached Sam Bradford. So I do have some faith in him but other then the places he was a coach of I don't really know about him

 

-Running Backs coach Jemal Singleton has helped Kendall Hunter and Joseph Randle get drafted...I'm actually high on Hunter as a Scat Back if he could just stay healthy but he has shown he can produce if he can stay healthy

 

-Brad White OLB coach-Have not made up my mind just yet on him. First year OLB coach now

 

-Greg Williams is a 1st year DB coach but 2 years as an assistant with the Chargers

 

-Gary Emanuel-I think he is a good coach but hasn't always had the best talent to work with

 

-Jim Hermann I think will prove to be a good higher and has coached some good players with the Jets and Giants

 

-Jim Hostler is a 1st year TE coach

 

-Lee Hull has 14 years as a wide receivers coach...But 0 at the NFL level

 

 

 

If we are being honest here there is a lot of coaches on the team with a lot to prove. Just my opinion from what I see

 

 

 

Very nice write-up. I have high hopes for Chud and Monachino, I think those are gonna be big upgrades, but all in all everything points to a year of settling in. It would be disappointing not to reach the play offs, but I certainly doesn't expect a solid SB run.

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15 hours ago, throwing BBZ said:

 

 Your question shows a real lack of knowledge of Miami`s O-Line players and about Tannehill`s problems getting rid of the ball.

Do you have a reading comprehension problem? MarquisJ said he didn't have the knowledge and was asking for input. But you found a place where you could throw out an insult. How informative of you.

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6 hours ago, Coltfreak said:

Why do not more people know this????   Because they attach themselves to a popular storyline that makes them fell better. 

 

 

I Wouldn't have knowed either if I wasn't curious and googled. But yeah your right they want to feel good about their team.

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7 hours ago, BlueShoe said:

 

Agreed.

 

We have a star-studded coaching roster, and people still complain. It is their prerogative; I guess.

 

This is the most experienced coaching staff we have ever had, in the history of the Indianapolis Colts. 

I doubt that last sentence is true.

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7 hours ago, BlueShoe said:

 

Agreed.

 

We have a star-studded coaching roster, and people still complain. It is their prerogative; I guess.

 

This is the most experienced coaching staff we have ever had, in the history of the Indianapolis Colts. 

Dungy, Tom Moore, and Howard Mudd weren't bad.

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It's funny how some of you complain for the sake of complaining while ignoring the facts about Philbin. 

 

Just do five whole minutes of research on him and Green Bay. Five minutes. Look what he managed to achieve with the same tier talent, if not worse. 

 

Moving from a defensive or offensive coordinator any other position to HC doesn't always translate well, but it isn't all his fault. Miami has been a dumpster fire for years. 

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