Who's getting cut / not-resigned this offseason?

[SilentHill]

I don't think we re-sign Toler, or Hasselbeck. Surely not Lance Louis.

 

The only question marks I think are with Fleener, Allen, and Freeman, maybe Lowery if the S market is bad (haven't looked).

 

AV is money, but he's really old, does he want to play? If he does maybe 1 year deals from here on out. He was solid this season again.

 

Regarding cuts, we can save 5m by cutting Andre Johnson (2.5m in dead $), Tent Cole would save us 6m (1m in dead $) DQ would save 5.25m (500k in dead $) Say what you want about Grigson, but if he is relieved of his duties, it won't be hard to clean the house of the FA's he signed, a lot of them would provide a lot of cap savings, and very little dead money.

 

With the cap expected to be around 150m Colts are currently sitting at 130m without signing any UFA's (also assuming Luck's 16m salary)

[gacoop1]

On the qbs Hasselbeck is just good as gone.  On the RBs, they may keep F Gore to mentor the new rookie RB , receivers and TEs get rid of Fleener, to many drops and scared to go in the middle, always avoid contact by running out of bounds., Toler, Butler all must go didn't show me anything.  Defensively, it's been agreed we need edge rushers.  Get rid of T Cole, Werner, E Walden Newsome J Freeman, A Jones and draft quality rookies and signed some difference maker free agents.  Hopefully this is where Grigs don't come back, b/c he we won't be GM for long, right

[BlueShoe]

Hard to know anything until we find out who the GM and coach will be.

 

Just a waiting game until then.

[BOTT]

Resign Toler......why?

[Superman]

Especially after today, Freeman can stay. He can have D'Qwell's contract.

[12isthenew18]

9 minutes ago, Superman said:

Especially after today, Freeman can stay. He can have D'Qwell's contract.

a little much?

[12isthenew18]

cut cole tomorrow

[TheRustonRifle#7]

1 hour ago, SilentHill said:

I don't think we re-sign Toler, or Hasselbeck. Surely not Lance Louis.

 

The only question marks I think are with Fleener, Allen, and Freeman, maybe Lowery if the S market is bad (haven't looked).

 

AV is money, but he's really old, does he want to play? If he does maybe 1 year deals from here on out. He was solid this season again.

 

Regarding cuts, we can save 5m by cutting Andre Johnson (2.5m in dead $), Tent Cole would save us 6m (1m in dead $) DQ would save 5.25m (500k in dead $) Say what you want about Grigson, but if he is relieved of his duties, it won't be hard to clean the house of the FA's he signed, a lot of them would provide a lot of cap savings, and very little dead money.

 

With the cap expected to be around 150m Colts are currently sitting at 130m without signing any UFA's (also assuming Luck's 16m salary)

It is still too early to figure out whom may stay or go until Indy gets it's FO and Coaching staff figured out...BUT..I applaud you for actually using "re-sign" correctly...so many write "resign" which has a totally different meaning 

[bap1331]

I'm just glad that the main problems on the team played their last year contract this season. 

[will426]

Man I was a big fleener hater because of his lack of toughness and blocking skills but damn it I'm fed up he's superior to Allen because he CAN STAY ON THE DAMN FIELD. Soo stop the hating he has done more than Allen has for this team comparing their careers even in a down year he was more superior find another target sheesh

[chad hugo]

Toler should be gone ! 

[colts_100nascar17fan]

4 minutes ago, will426 said:

Man I was a big fleener hater because of his lack of toughness and blocking skills but damn it I'm fed up he's superior to Allen because he CAN STAY ON THE DAMN FIELD. Soo stop the hating he has done more than Allen has for this team comparing their careers even in a down year he was more superior find another target sheesh

Allen had a down year mostly do to our incompetent offensive line, he had to block.

[Solon]

5 minutes ago, will426 said:

Man I was a big fleener hater because of his lack of toughness and blocking skills but damn it I'm fed up he's superior to Allen because he CAN STAY ON THE DAMN FIELD. Soo stop the hating he has done more than Allen has for this team comparing their careers even in a down year he was more superior find another target sheesh

He has not done more for this team than Allen by any stretch of the imagination. I'm not slighting Fleener neither; It's just that Allen is the superior tight end of the group. I like Coby, but let's not act like he's been a gamechanger.

[aaron11]

allen is injury prone.  its not a fluke when you end 3 seasons in a row on IR

[OHColtfan]

Only units on this team that would feel comfortable with are our WR's & somewhat the DL that would include a healthy Anderson next year. Every other area of this team needs real help.

At this point, no matter who the HC or GM is, two things I would like to see us do.  I wouldn't re-sign Toler for any amount of money, minimum wage is too much for this guy. If offered to play for free, I wouldn't want him playing CB for us. Two, if Holmes or Harrison are on this roster next year then something is wrong- don't normally notice the C, but goodness you can't help but notice the completely inept play of our C and O-line.

[MTC]

Colts FA's (What I would do as GM):

Keep or Go

 

Toler - Go

Hasselbeck - Go

Vinatieri - Keep

Jerrell Freeman - Keep (only for a cheap deal)

Allen - Keep

Fleener - Go

Winn - Go

Louis - Go

Whitehurst - Go

Lowery - Keep

Anderson - Go

Lindley - Go

Josh Freeman - Keep

 

 

[chrisfarley]

Remember, we might lose a high draft pick replacing Pagano, so we need to keep some of our mediocre players just in case we are devoid of talent through the draft.

[scooter4910]

McAfees interested in being the kicker also but Vinatieri had a better year in 2015 then he did in 11, 12 & 13 and he's ranked #4 in FF. AV is still in good shape so unless he wants a raise....he'll be around for awhile.

[scooter4910]

Of our 15 backup quarterbacks who do you think is going to be invited to training camp?

[Superman]

42 minutes ago, 12isthenew18 said:

a little much?

 

My point is that Freeman can stay, Jackson can go. 

 

But no, I don't think $5.5m/year is too much for Freeman. It's probably the highest I would go for him, but it's about what a slightly above average starting ILB is worth.

[Surge89]

3 minutes ago, Superman said:

 

My point is that Freeman can stay, Jackson can go. 

 

But no, I don't think $5.5m/year is too much for Freeman. It's probably the highest I would go for him, but it's about what a slightly above average starting ILB is worth.

 

Yours and my expectations of an average ILB are vastly different.  Freeman can go and couldn't go fast enough.  He isn't worth 5.  He may be worth 3.  "May".  But then again I've long disagreed with LB decisions in Indy for a decade since the overrated Brackett days.

 

The very reason why last offseason I spent all of my time looking at ILB because I really thought it was an excellent year to get a playmaker at ILB.  But no Kendricks is playing his tail off in Minnesota and Perryman is an impact player in San Diego. But of course the meddling GM takes another WR.

[Solon]

6 minutes ago, Superman said:

 

My point is that Freeman can stay, Jackson can go. 

 

But no, I don't think $5.5m/year is too much for Freeman. It's probably the highest I would go for him, but it's about what a slightly above average starting ILB is worth.

I disagreed with you earlier this season about releasing Jackson, but now I'm with you. The guy's talented, but his age + lack/declining ability to cover a shoelace will hurt us in the long run.

[DougDew]

$5 million per year really isn't that much for a player.  The Cap will be about $150 million.

[COLTS449]

Toler, Cole, Jones, AJ all have to go. We need to re-sign Luck and Fleener. I don't get why some want us to let Fleener walk. He's a pretty good receiving TE. There isn't any sense in creating another hole to fill.

[DougDew]

I would keep Jones.  Need DL rotation especially if henry Anderson is slow to come back.

[Superman]

8 minutes ago, Surge89 said:

 

Yours and my expectations of an average ILB are vastly different.  Freeman can go and couldn't go fast enough.  He isn't worth 5.  He may be worth 3.  "May".  But then again I've long disagreed with LB decisions in Indy for a decade since the overrated Brackett days.

 

The very reason why last offseason I spent all of my time looking at ILB because I really thought it was an excellent year to get a playmaker at ILB.  But no Kendricks is playing his tail off in Minnesota and Perryman is an impact player in San Diego. But of course the meddling GM takes another WR.

 

Perryman can't run horizontally. You can have him. Kendricks is what I thought he would be. In any event, I don't want to talk about the Dorsett pick anymore, it's a waste of time, and has nothing to do with Jerrell Freeman.

 

It's fine if you don't like Freeman, but he is the textbook definition of slightly above average. And $5m/year is right in line with what players like him make. I'll admit that him having a couple good games at the end of the year has influenced my thinking on him.

 

In any event, I'm fine with him staying, and I'm fine with him walking. If he walks, I hope he gets a big contract and does well wherever he goes, which might earn us a compensatory pick in 2017. 

[Superman]

10 minutes ago, Solon said:

I disagreed with you earlier this season about releasing Jackson, but now I'm with you. The guy's talented, but his age + lack/declining ability to cover a shoelace will hurt us in the long run.

 

He's terrible in coverage, and will get worse. I'm okay with creating a limited role for him since he's so good against the run (at least this year), but not for what he's making. He can go, for sure.

[aReggie7]

Cut:

- Andre Johnson

- Trent Cole

- D'Qwell Jackson

- Art Jones

- Jonothan Harrison

 

Re-Sign:

- Adam Vinatieri

- Coby Fleener

- Dwight Lowery

- Josh Freeman

- Boom Herron

 

Don't Re-Sign

- Greg Toler

- Matt Hasselbeck (assume he retires)

- Jerell Freeman

- Dwyane Allen (can't stay healthy)

- Billy Winn

- Lance Louis

- Charlie Whitehurst

- Colt Anderson

- Ryan Lindley

[Pacergeek]

4 hours ago, will426 said:

Man I was a big fleener hater because of his lack of toughness and blocking skills but damn it I'm fed up he's superior to Allen because he CAN STAY ON THE DAMN FIELD. Soo stop the hating he has done more than Allen has for this team comparing their careers even in a down year he was more superior find another target sheesh

Fleener is a bum. Never breaks tackles, and has horrible hands. Dropped a sure TD vs Houston. 

[Pacergeek]

Are our standards really this low? People seriously want Fleener re-signed? Lol

[MPStack]

44 minutes ago, Pacergeek said:

Are our standards really this low? People seriously want Fleener re-signed? Lol

TE is the least of the Colts problems. He was not utilized this year, nor was Allen. His 2013 and 2014 seasons were extremely productive. 2014 51rec for 774 AND 8 TD`s to go along with 40 1st downs. I`d resign him.

[zibby43]

5 hours ago, MTC said:

Colts FA's (What I would do as GM):

Keep or Go

 

Toler - Go

Hasselbeck - Go

Vinatieri - Keep

Jerrell Freeman - Keep (only for a cheap deal)

Allen - Keep

Fleener - Go

Winn - Go

Louis - Go

Whitehurst - Go

Lowery - Keep

Anderson - Go

Lindley - Go

Josh Freeman - Keep

 

 

 

I think this list is fairly reasonable, except there is no way in the world J. Freeman (not the QB) will be signed cheaply. 

 

Also, it makes zero sense (to me) to let Fleener leave, and keep Allen, who is on IR more than Bradshaw. 

 

Doyle can do what Allen does for cheap.

[zibby43]

1 hour ago, Pacergeek said:

Are our standards really this low? People seriously want Fleener re-signed? Lol

 

Fleener had 54 receptions on 85 targets, for 491 yards and 3 TD (15 games).

 

That's with Luck out for the majority of the season. 

 

In Fleener's sophomore season, he had only 1 drop the entire season (which made him 2nd in the entire league in LEAST amount of drops).

 

I'm not trying to be rude but some of the stuff said around here absolutely blows my mind. 

 

Allen, comparatively, had 16 receptions on 29 targets.  109 yards and 1 TD.  In 13 games.

[Jason_]

1 hour ago, Pacergeek said:

Fleener is a bum. Never breaks tackles, and has horrible hands. Dropped a sure TD vs Houston. 

 

What pure, utter and absolute nonsense is this?

[IinD]

Just random thoughts without any particular order or direction.

 

Freeman should get an invite for qb#2.

Gore can stay or go but we might have to pick a rb kind of high, not first rd.

We haven't had a dynamic back since edge. Gore can mentor and split the work.

 

WR's are set and I'd keep AJ one more year. He's going to better than any wr3 or 4 that may be out there. Part of me also feels he was totally misused this season by the coaches.

 

Te I'm ok with fleener even with his faults. He always plays even though Allen may be the better player, but injuries and our coaches inability to get much going with our te's this year was nerve racking.

 

Oline needs help at G,C,G. OT could be handled by AC, Mewhort if coached up, Good and a draft pick or udfa.

 

D needs pass rushing and secondary help. 

 

May not be able to address all positions in one offseason, but if they can somehow let's say get a G,C and one OLB, they'll definitely be much improved. Not perfect, but much better shape. 

[csmopar]

7 hours ago, colts_100nascar17fan said:

Allen had a down year mostly do to our incompetent offensive line, he had to block.

Allen has yet to finish a season not hurt......he's the TE version  Bradshaw, 

[csmopar]

2 hours ago, zibby43 said:

 

Fleener had 54 receptions on 85 targets, for 491 yards and 3 TD (15 games).

 

That's with Luck out for the majority of the season. 

 

In Fleener's sophomore season, he had only 1 drop the entire season (which made him 2nd in the entire league in LEAST amount of drops).

 

I'm not trying to be rude but some of the stuff said around here absolutely blows my mind. 

 

Allen, comparatively, had 16 receptions on 29 targets.  109 yards and 1 TD.  In 13 games.

Now now, you can't be arguing with facts.....that's not fair

 

But my thoughts exactly.

[csmopar]

3 hours ago, Pacergeek said:

Are our standards really this low? People seriously want Fleener re-signed? Lol

You realize that he grades out in the top 10 to 15 of TEs, every year except this one, where he was mis used....right?

[Gabriel Alexander Morillo]

I'll only say this about Allen vs Fleener. The best ability is availability. 

[SilentHill]

8 hours ago, adamr said:

Cut:

- Andre Johnson

- Trent Cole

- D'Qwell Jackson

- Art Jones

- Jonothan Harrison

 

Re-Sign:

- Adam Vinatieri

- Coby Fleener

- Dwight Lowery

- Josh Freeman

- Boom Herron

 

Don't Re-Sign

- Greg Toler

- Matt Hasselbeck (assume he retires)

- Jerell Freeman

- Dwyane Allen (can't stay healthy)

- Billy Winn

- Lance Louis

- Charlie Whitehurst

- Colt Anderson

- Ryan Lindley

 

We aren't cutting Art Jones, it doesn't make mathematical sense. Would only save us 2.3m and 3.3m in dead money.