Has Anyone's Opinion Changed

[ColtJ82]

3 weeks ago, everyone was on the "fire the coaching staff" train. Now that Pep is gone, and the team seems to be different.....has anyone's opinion changed? Anyone for giving this regime one more year (as long as Chud remains the OC)? 

[LJpalmbeacher2]

Not mine. I am Not a fan of Pagano.

[Yoshinator]

3 weeks ago, everyone was on the "fire the coaching staff" train. Now that Pep is gone, and the team seems to be different.....has anyone's opinion changed? Anyone for giving this regime one more year (as long as Chud remains the OC)? 

The team really isn't different. We started out slow and played catch up again. Only difference is we scored a defensive td and won by 3 instead of losing by 3. Same team right now. I'm reserving judgment for now because Luck is out and I want to see how he does when he returns with Chud before judging. The playcalling is different, but the execution is still weak. If there is a difference, it was better on defense, not offense, so Chud had nothing to do with it.

[TKnight24]

The team really isn't different. We started out slow and played catch up again. Only difference is we scored a defensive td and won by 3 instead of losing by 3. Same team right now. I'm reserving judgment for now because Luck is out and I want to see how he does when he returns with Chud before judging. The playcalling is different, but the execution is still weak. If there is a difference, it was better on defense, not offense, so Chud had nothing to do with it.

You had to expect the slow start on offense. Bad Chemistry. The offense got use to Andrew calling the shots. Both picks Matt H. threw looked to be miscommunication based

Yeah we had the bye week, but you can't build chemistry in a week. I think the offense will look better this Sunday

But it's not gonna be full force until Andrew is back. It's only so much you can expect from Hasselbeck leading the offense. He's the best backup in the NFL no question, but at the end of the day your offense is at it's peak with your starting QB..... unless you're San Francisco

[Yoshinator]

You had to expect the slow start on offense. Bad Chemistry. The offense got use to Andrew calling the shots. Both picks Matt H. threw looked to be miscommunication based

Yeah we had the bye week, but you can't build chemistry in a week. I think the offense will look better this Sunday

But it's not gonna be full force until Andrew is back. It's only so much you can expect from Hasselbeck leading the offense. He's the best backup in the NFL no question, but at the end of the day your offense is at it's peak with your starting QB..... unless you're San Francisco

It wasn't a bad effort by Hasselback, since it was him and not Luck, I can't be upset. You can't get much better from a backup. We got a big break though with Devonta Freeman's concussion and it pretty much won us the game as it coincided with them getting 0 second half points. TB will be tougher than we thought, so I hope we can put up a good effort. As I said, I will reserve judgment for when Luck comes back at 100% hopefully in a month, since he did well Vs Denver even while injured.

[csmopar]

I'm willing to give Chud the next year but I'd like to find a coach that can have his team come out fired up. Though I'm not sure how much of that Sunday was the lack of communication and chemistry as mentioned above

[TKnight24]

I'm willing to give Chud the next year but I'd like to find a coach that can have his team come out fired up. Though I'm not sure how much of that Sunday was the lack of communication and chemistry as mentioned above

I think it was 100% in he chemistry. We came out fired out against Denver

17-0 lead on an undefeated team with the #1 defense? Can't get more fired up than that

Luck is the final cog in the machine, he has to play to see this offense st it's full potential under Chud

[Mr.Debonair]

2 quick Turnovers isn't going to help your offense no matte who the offensive coordinator is

[jszfunk]

Some good points made above.

 

I am still in the wait and see mode.

 

The  3 games that Matt was in , we did get some breaks to win.  A win is a win , and I wont apologize for that, but those all could have went different ways real easily. The Colts have played better, enough to keep them in games, so that is a plus. Indy is lucky to have a backup such as him, if it was anyone else...yikes!!!   As long as Matt can stay healthy and get some wins, keep Andrew out till he healthy and ready to play. Don't rush him.

 

It's nice to see the defense playing well. Very stout even with injuries. Making some plays, and somewhat of a rush in the 2nd half.

 

I agree with the interceptions those were communication errors.

 

The playing call is good, but like it was mentioned, you have to execute.

[NagelHausForge]

Personally I wouldn't mind seeing Pagano back for another year... As long as they keep winning. 

 

As stated above, its hard to judge given that the offense is playing with their backup QB, which limits what the offense can do.  For example, as good as MH has played he doesn't have the wheels that Luck has and therefore doesn't freeze the D with the run threat.  That seemed to work wonders against Denver.

[Introspect]

Mine hasn't.

 

This is what I feared. A few cheap wins and everyone thinks we are contenders. The problems are still herein coaching and personnel, This team has regressed and these "wins" have the fanbase saying we can win the division. 

 

This team is like a bad relationship with a woman. Constant arguing, dissatisfaction and unhappiness daily. You finally decide to come home and end it and all of a sudden she cooks you a great meal and pampers you when you get home that night.  You say "Oh, she's great things aren't that bad."   THE SAD TRUTH IS THAT YOU ARE MISERABLE AND A FEW MEALS DOESN'T CHANGE THE CORE PROBLEMS!!

 

It's best this team 1) loses the division, make changes and get a pick in the teens this offseason than  2)win the division and be one and smoked out and get a pick in the mid 20's.

 

Just my INTROSPECT

[UKColt13]

I still quite like Pagano. I still don't like Grigson.

[BrentMc11]

I have always liked Pagano from Day 1.  He came in and made the team a family from the janitors to the owner.  

 

His players love him, he is great post-game energizer and I still think this is a good football team.  We loved him through the entire leukemia scare....so I still will stand by my coach as long as he coaches the Indianapolis Colts.

 

That said, who was the one in the post game speed who seemed not to care?  Who was the motivator.....Irsay was having fun...who was not?

 

I will still like Pagano even if he is not coaching.  He is truly a good person and loves his tam.              !!!!

[buccolts]

Mine hasn't.

This is what I feared. A few cheap wins and everyone thinks we are contenders. The problems are still herein coaching and personnel, This team has regressed and these "wins" have the fanbase saying we can win the division.

This team is like a bad relationship with a woman. Constant arguing, dissatisfaction and unhappiness daily. You finally decide to come home and end it and all of a sudden she cooks you a great meal and pampers you when you get home that night. You say "Oh, she's great things aren't that bad." THE SAD TRUTH IS THAT YOU ARE MISERABLE AND A FEW MEALS DOESN'T CHANGE THE CORE PROBLEMS!!

It's best this team 1) loses the division, make changes and get a pick in the teens this offseason than 2)win the division and be one and smoked out and get a pick in the mid 20's.

Just my INTROSPECT

1. I don't think we should hold on to these RUMORS too closely

2. Sorry to hear of your difficulties at home, or congratulations on your life change. Whichever is applicable

[RollerColt]

Mine hasn't.

 

This is what I feared. A few cheap wins and everyone thinks we are contenders. The problems are still herein coaching and personnel, This team has regressed and these "wins" have the fanbase saying we can win the division. 

 

Even had we lost, we would still have a chance to win the division mate. 

[BigQandTheManiac]

I love chuck as a person, but I think it's a little to late to change my opinion on him right now. Unless we miraculous make a super bowl run.

[King Colt]

Too many one and dones and that is not team building. Team building is keeping players you choose in order for them to know each other. Also Luck is much better with the quicker releases and that must never go back to him standing back waiting to get slammed.

Not sold on Pagano but I do like him and again pick a coach and stay with him, it is not hard to do if you can scout talent.

[Narcosys]

The team really isn't different. We started out slow and played catch up again. Only difference is we scored a defensive td and won by 3 instead of losing by 3. Same team right now. I'm reserving judgment for now because Luck is out and I want to see how he does when he returns with Chud before judging. The playcalling is different, but the execution is still weak. If there is a difference, it was better on defense, not offense, so Chud had nothing to do with it.

The execution is on the players then and less about the coaches.

[RollerColt]

Too many one and dones and that is not team building. Team building is keeping players you choose in order for them to know each other. Also Luck is much better with the quicker releases and that must never go back to him standing back waiting to get slammed.

Not sold on Pagano but I do like him and again pick a coach and stay with him, it is not hard to do if you can scout talent.

Haven't we only gone one and done once since the new regime? I do agree that the jury could still be out for Chuck. Should we classify ourselves as cautiously optimistic? heh...

[krunk]

Dude all I want with Hasslebeck as the quarterback is for us to Win.  I don't care how it gets done whether it's ugly or pretty! I'm not judging a whole bunch of stuff offensively right now other than the line needs to get the blocking together.  The play calling to me is good and it fit all the bad blocking we were doing.  It wasn't like Pep trying to fit a square peg into a round hole by continuously tossing bombs, 5-7 step drop with a line that can't protect and scheming up bad route combinations.  Also I love how Chud keeps things balanced.  Those are the two biggest upgrades I see from Chud this early in the process.  He makes the necessary adjustments to the game plan and play calls for what is occuring in the now, and he's very consistent with the running game even when it's not working.  ,

 

I've always said I like Pagano, I like Chud, I like Grigson, and I'm okay with Manusky.  I don't think anybody needs to be fired, just add more talent to the D, another lineman or two to the O and we are good.  It's critical that Pagano has a good OC and for right now Chud is that guy. If we lose Chud, then whoever the replacement is better be just as good. 

[Jason_]

My opinion has not changed...I don't think Chuck needs to be fired....never did though.  I wanted a change in OC and got it.  

[GoColts8818]

Wait for a loss and people will want people fired again. It happens anytime the Colts lose.

Personally I still stand by wait and see how the season as a whole goes. Chuck is doing a good job with his back to the wall but I think it's fair to question why does the team's back have to be to the wall under him to preform?

[twfish]

Dude all I want with Hasslebeck as the quarterback is for us to Win. I don't care how it gets done whether it's ugly or pretty! I'm not judging a whole bunch of stuff offensively right now other than the line needs to get the blocking together. The play calling to me is good and it fit all the bad blocking we were doing. It wasn't like Pep trying to fit a square peg into a round hole by continuously tossing bombs, 5-7 step drop with a line that can't protect and scheming up bad route combinations. Also I love how Chud keeps things balanced. Those are the two biggest upgrades I see from Chud this early in the process. He makes the necessary adjustments to the game plan and play calls for what is occuring in the now, and he's very consistent with the running game even when it's not working. ,

I've always said I like Pagano, I like Chud, I like Grigson, and I'm okay with Manusky. I don't think anybody needs to be fired, just add more talent to the D, another lineman or two to the O and we are good. It's critical that Pagano has a good OC and for right now Chud is that guy. If we lose Chud, then whoever the replacement is better be just as good.

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[Coffeedrinker]

I'm still up in the air.  Grigson has done a pretty good job fielding a complete team, yeah he's made some misses and I don't think he should sing any more free agents than played for the Eagles or olineman free agents but he's made some good moves.  But if the rumors are true and he controls who plays on Sunday and who the asst. coaches/coordinators are then, based on that alone, he should go.

 

Pagano seems to be a good motivator, players like him and play hard for him which is at least half the battle but I don't have a lot of confidence that Pagano can out think a lot of coaches in the NFL.  When the chips are down it seems that Pagano out thinks himself more often than out thinking the other team.  So maybe he and Chud could work well together.

[myic90]

they're both staying if only because there aren't better replacements out there.

[HarryTheCat]

Chuck Pagano seems like a heck of a nice guy.  His players and the fans seem to like him as a person.  I'm pretty certain that his family loves him, and that he would never kick his dog.  But football games are not won on the basis of "who's the nicest coach on the field" points. Let's face it. Chuck just isn't the sharpest tool in the shed.  

 

Game after game, the Colts have stepped onto the field, appearing totally unprepared for their opponent. The losses have been ugly, and some of the wins look like a case of players simply outplaying their coaching. Chud has been some improvement over Pep, but winning starts with preparation at the top of the coaching food chain, and the Colts consistently look like a team that's simply been out-coached. It's time for the Jim Irsay to overhaul the whole staff, including Grigson, and move on to the next chapter.

 

Just my $0.02. Your mileage may vary.

[BullsColtsFan1]

I think Grigson should go and possibly Manusky but I think Pagano should stay.

[1959Colts]

The team still needs to get in the playoffs and to succeed forward.

[GwinnettColt]

Hopefully, Pagano stays.  Chud stays, Grigson goes, and Manusky...needs to go or improve.  

[2006Coltsbestever]

If we beat the Bucs, a team we should beat even with Hass at QB I will be even more on Chuck's side at that point. This game coming up scares me, it's the type of game where we could lay an egg without Andrew. Hass can only play so well for so long. I think we will win but it wouldn't shock me if we lost either. Chuck showed me a lot on Sunday against the Falcons though.

[aaron11]

i'm not going to make up my mind either way until the season is over.  as far as hot seats go, we should consider paganos to be on fire for the time being.  he could save his job but the team continues to fail to show up in the first half regardless of who is calling plays or starting at QB.

 

if we do get a new HC it would hopefully be somebody with an offensive background. 

[lennymoore24]

Mine has not changed. Say what you want about Pagano, but players will play hard for him and he is resourceful.  He should be retained along with Chud if he isn't offered a HC job.

I blame most of the problems on Pep's offense.  Shut out in first half by NO.  Wow!  

 

Be careful what you wish for.  Someone like Adam Gase or Nick Saban sounds good, but could tank really fast.  I would stick with Pagano and Chud.

[Grigs build the lines plz.]

I think Grigson should go and possibly Manusky but I think Pagano should stay.

 

Hopefully, Pagano stays.  Chud stays, Grigson goes, and Manusky...needs to go or improve.  

Why the hate on Manusky? His defense has done well this season regardless of turnovers and three

and outs from our offense.

[twfish]

Why the hate on Manusky? His defense has done well this season regardless of turnovers and three

and outs from our offense.

manusky plays a very vanilla defense. A whole lot of zone when it should be man. He's okay in my books but I wouldn't lose sleep if he was replaced by someone better

[Corndog]

Mine hasn't.

 

This is what I feared. A few cheap wins and everyone thinks we are contenders. The problems are still herein coaching and personnel, This team has regressed and these "wins" have the fanbase saying we can win the division. 

 

This team is like a bad relationship with a woman. Constant arguing, dissatisfaction and unhappiness daily. You finally decide to come home and end it and all of a sudden she cooks you a great meal and pampers you when you get home that night.  You say "Oh, she's great things aren't that bad."   THE SAD TRUTH IS THAT YOU ARE MISERABLE AND A FEW MEALS DOESN'T CHANGE THE CORE PROBLEMS!!

 

It's best this team 1) loses the division, make changes and get a pick in the teens this offseason than  2)win the division and be one and smoked out and get a pick in the mid 20's.

 

Just my INTROSPECT

I love the bad relationship comparison, but that's just sports fans.  Heck, I am a Cubs fan, talk about a bad long term relationship, even though my real one is pretty healthy.   This team has been very good for a while, so we have not seen much of the up/down bipolar reactions like this year.  It happens with the Cubs all the time, and usually in cases like this, if there is smoke there's a fire. This season has been a disaster and changes need to be made.  This team was built to win it all this year and the fact they are struggling to lead the worst division in football shows it more than likely won't happen and there are multiple issues. 

 

Personally, I like Chuck, but I am resigned to the fact he is more than likely gone.  It would have been nice to see how he would have done without interference from Grigson, but that will just be an unknown.  I still want Grigson gone, I don't like overbearing management that doesn't allow coaches to do their jobs. That also will make it difficult to hire a quality head coach, if things are as bad as rumored.  Not to forget he is miserable at first round picks and has failed to truly address the biggest problem, the offensive line.  It's also incredibly stupid to have a coach that will be out of contract next year in a season expecting super bowl contention. 

 

Of course I am happy they won and they still could make the playoffs, get Luck healthy and have a chance.  But unless they have a surprising playoff run, I don't expect anyone to be safe.  Also, I agree if this team isn't going to do anything in the playoffs, better to miss out and get a better draft pick.  

[Corndog]

Mine has not changed. Say what you want about Pagano, but players will play hard for him and he is resourceful.  He should be retained along with Chud if he isn't offered a HC job.

I blame most of the problems on Pep's offense.  Shut out in first half by NO.  Wow!  

 

Be careful what you wish for.  Someone like Adam Gase or Nick Saban sounds good, but could tank really fast.  I would stick with Pagano and Chud.

I agree, but let's face the facts, more than likely not going to happen.  He would have been resigned in the offseason if this organization truly wanted to go forward with Pagano.  As far as Adam Gase or Saban, not the biggest fan.  Saban really didn't impress me at Miami, college and NFL are two entirely different beasts.  Saban is a great recruiter and has shown that at Alabama, by building a beast and that skill will be useless in the NFL.  Also, could you see a man that has the ultimate say at Alabama bowing down to Grigson?  

 

Gase is a complete unknown and I don't get the big deal about him.  If there was a Tony Dungy out there, sure, I also like Hue Jackson coupled with a strong defensive coordinator.    I think it's odd that everyone loves Gase even though he hasn't done anything to the Bears offense with their weapons that is overly impressive, where Jackson has built great offenses everywhere he goes.  Jackson's only real failure was the Raiders as head coach, although he finished 8-8 for the Raiders in a tough division and did I mention it was the Raiders?

[The Fish]

Let's continue to let this play out. There's a few things going in Pagano's direction- namely the team wants to play for him. That's a quality that's hard to let out the front door. I think with the right staff around him, he's the guy. 

 

Grigson isn't looking better through any of this though. In fact, he's looking really crumby. Way to many swings and misses to go unnoticed at this point. I saw some tweet in passing "none of his first round picks played a snap last sunday". 

[Defjamz26]

My issues with the team at the start of the season were Grigson, Pep, and Pagano. Pep is gone and Chud is saving Pagano's job, but I still think Grigson has to go and this isn't an elite team.

The more games I watch, win or lose, the more the lack of star players (most notably on defense) becomes apparent. Our lack of pass rush sticks out like a sore thumb. With the exception of Gore and Langford the FAs look terrible, although Lowery is serviceable. The lack of depth is scary. It's one thing to lack starting playmakers or depth. It's another thing to lack both. All that falls on the shoulders of the GM who has had 4 drafts to get it together. 2 of the best players on this team were from the previous regime. It's inexcusable to be going into year 5 with Grigson and every position except for QB, WR, and TE is a need.

[Corndog]

My issues with the team at the start of the season were Grigson, Pep, and Pagano. Pep is gone and Chud is saving Pagano's job, but I still think Grigson has to go and this isn't an elite team.

The more games I watch, win or lose, the more the lack of star players (most notably on defense) becomes apparent. Our lack of pass rush sticks out like a sore thumb. With the exception of Gore and Langford the FAs look terrible, although Lowery is serviceable. The lack of depth is scary. It's one thing to lack starting playmakers or depth. It's another thing to lack both. All that falls on the shoulders of the GM who has had 4 drafts to get it together. 2 of the best players on this team were from the previous regime. It's inexcusable to be going into year 5 with Grigson and every position except for QB, WR, and TE is a need.

Great points and what if the Colts miss the playoffs and get a top half first round pick?  Do you really want Grigson making that pick with his history?  This team needs a pass rusher really bad and some help on the offensive line.  Grigson only made one o-line pick late in last year's draft.  What does that tell me?  Either he is happy with the line or too arrogant to change it since all of them minus Constanzo (arguably the best player on the line) were picked by him. 

[SteelDragon]

My stance is to let the season play out. Irsay, I trust, will make the right decision.

My opinion of Pagano has improved. He does seem to be a great motivator. His players play hard for him.

My opinion of Grigson has waned. I question whether he can construct a championship team.