Has Anyone's Opinion Changed

[southwest1]

Chuck Pagano seems like a heck of a nice guy.  His players and the fans seem to like him as a person.  I'm pretty certain that his family loves him, and that he would never kick his dog.  But football games are not won on the basis of "who's the nicest coach on the field" points. Let's face it. Chuck just isn't the sharpest tool in the shed.  

 

Game after game, the Colts have stepped onto the field, appearing totally unprepared for their opponent. The losses have been ugly, and some of the wins look like a case of players simply outplaying their coaching. Chud has been some improvement over Pep, but winning starts with preparation at the top of the coaching food chain, and the Colts consistently look like a team that's simply been out-coached. It's time for the Jim Irsay to overhaul the whole staff, including Grigson, and move on to the next chapter.

 

Just my $0.02. Your mileage may vary.

A very good post HTC. I get that feeling too fans keep saying Pagano is a nice guy & he survived cancer how can we even think about parting ways with Chuck? But, you're right. It does feel like we've been out coached at times or shot ourselves in the foot with a lack of discipline like our special teams blunder against NE. I still can't get over that loss either. We had the momentum & just blew it over a lack of concentration. 

 

Your last line made me laugh too. I don't dislike Chuck as a person. I just don't think he will ever get our franchise to a SB & that's what I really want: The ultimate bragging rights. 

[southwest1]

I keep thinking about what a horrible predicament we'd be in right now without Matthew Hasselbeck. Would Chuck have an answer or be able to adapt? I have my reservations. How far out of the division lead would we be down record wise? I will give Chuck credit for 1 thing: He's good at coaching up cornerbacks. I just don't see solid halftime adjustments often enough. 

 

If Jackson had not picked off Ryan, would we have won that game vs Atlanta? No. Does, Pagano deserve a pass for not having Chud all year as OC vs Hamilton? Can't Chuck pound the table in Grigson's office & say "Darn it Grigs I want my guy Rob not Pep?!" Why is this excuse thrown in our face as a fan base like Chuck was powerless to fight his own battles? I still think Pags is gone next year & I want either Tom Coughlin or Greg Roman because until we get our o-line fixed or better coaching INDY goes nowhere in the post season. 

 

And don't get me started on Grigson's useless double speak interviews that tell you nothing....I know; I know I sound like a broken record but Ryan's aloofness either by design or accident irritates the hades out of me. Best player available is the only way to go crap over & over again. Sigh. End Rant. 

 

What bothers me most about the best player available argument is that people act like you can ignore gabbing holes on your team & just draft surplus guys forever because they are there. It's like saying the speed limit says 65 so if you go 75 your breaking the rules, anarchy will ensue, & a horrible collision is about to unfold? Are you kidding me with this nonsense? LOL!

[Freenyfan102]

Is grigson and Pagano still part of this organization and if so. Why are they not fired yet

[krunk]

I think people are down playing how much Chuck has been able to keep the players mentally focused through all this nonsense and playing full bore for the most part. He has made the necessary changes such as firing Pep to get the offense on track. Gotten the run defense fixed like he said he would, we have beaten the non divisional opponents the stat monsters tried to say we could not, we have played much better against the top tier teams, our half time and in game adjustments are better, tackling is way better this year than last year. It's also very obvious the players believe in his message and I don't believe a Jag coach could do any of what we have been witnessing. Am I saying he is Bellichick? No but you don't need Bellichick in the first place to win a Super Bowl. What you need is a good collective of coaches from the head man to the coordinators, oline, D line coaches, to the GM and I think we do have that now or are at least taking steps in the right direction. One thing I have learned in business is you build teams and you have people on the team that are smarter than you. People who can advise you on your weak areas and also accentuate your strengths. People that are down with your vision. I don't give two hoots if Chuck is a JAG(which I don't think he is overall) if we assemble a good core of coaches around him and accentuate that with an Owner and GM who support the vision. We have heard talk of supposed fighting in the family and all families fight but I think a lot of it has been doctored and storied up more than what it really is. There's not a lot of Bellichicks and Lombardis out there to be honest. And who else is out there coaching wise to say hey we have a consistent track record of winning in the NFL to warrant Chuck being fired? You hired the man and those around him as rookie coaches for the most part and they have won with some bumps and bruises. The players want to play for the man that much is obvious. Strengthen his team with a good core of coaches, add a couple more play makers on defense and one or two more young offensive linemen and we will be fine I think. Don't care if Chuck is perceived as a JAG. Tony Dungy said perception is not reality and to be honest its about the collective of coaches overall. I have a bigger problem with a JAG head coach who coaches with a team of JAG coaches around him and dysfunctional ownership. Even a good coaching mind would have a hard time on that platform.

[Rackeen305]

Jim Brown said he didn't see anything special about him. Which says a lot considering he is and was a Browns front office guy when he made the comment.

It wasn't necessarily the trade, but that he traded too much and it seemed like a desperation move. I also blame poor scouting too. Not just Grigson but everyone. Bad scouting is also why Manziel was a 1st round pick.

 

It wasn't desperate at the time. The Colts wanted to go all in and felt like the missing piece that year was a RB. Then I believe we had Reggie, Hakim, TY, and etc. We didnt have a RB so they presumed that Trent Rich was the answer to make a serious run. 

[James Harden]

I'll wait til the end of the season. As of right now I would give Pagano another year. Grigson should be on thin ice. 

[BOTT]

It wasn't desperate at the time. The Colts wanted to go all in and felt like the missing piece that year was a RB. Then I believe we had Reggie, Hakim, TY, and etc. We didnt have a RB so they presumed that Trent Rich was the answer to make a serious run.

Which was totally stupid. You don't give a 1st for a RB. Especially one that looked mediocre at best in Cleveland.

[Defjamz26]

It wasn't desperate at the time. The Colts wanted to go all in and felt like the missing piece that year was a RB. Then I believe we had Reggie, Hakim, TY, and etc. We didnt have a RB so they presumed that Trent Rich was the answer to make a serious run.

I get the thinking behind the move but it was still a bad decision. In 14 games in the 2012 season, he had 950 yards. That sounds impressive at first until you look at the numbers. Even back then he was averaging 3 yards a carry. But if he gets the ball 25 times a game (which he did) and gets at least 3 yards every time, that's 1,050 yards which is only a 100 yard difference from the 950 he actually got.

For a number 3 overall pick, that's terrible. Especially when Vick Ballard, taken 4 rounds later, had 840 yards in 2012 in 10 starts. Alfred Morris was a 6th round pick who finished 2nd in rushing that year iirc.

Plus you don't give up a 1st for a player who was a 1st round pick drafted too high and underperformed his first season. The Browns knew he was a bad pick by the previous regime, which is why they wanted to get rid of him. He should've went for a 2nd or 3rd even. The Browns fleeced Grigson is all.

[bellboys]

My stance is to let the season play out. Irsay, I trust, will make the right decision.

My opinion of Pagano has improved. He does seem to be a great motivator. His players play hard for him.

My opinion of Grigson has waned. I question whether he can construct a championship team.

I agree with most of this but one thing. Grigson must go. He has his first draft class handed to him on a silver platter. then goes out and does some of the most dumbest trades and picks that I have ever seen made (except davis trade). Hopefully Irsay has seen this and will make the changes that need to be made for this team   

[BlueShoe]

3 weeks ago, everyone was on the "fire the coaching staff" train. Now that Pep is gone, and the team seems to be different.....has anyone's opinion changed? Anyone for giving this regime one more year (as long as Chud remains the OC)? 

 

For the record not everyone was on the "fire the coaching staff train". I would guess about 50% just wanted Pep and Grigson gone, while 45% agreed and had also conceded the writing is on the wall for Pagano. Probably only about 5% of the fans on this board wanted to fire the entire regime. 

 

But the premise is an interesting question. 

 

My thoughts have not changed. I wanted Chud to take over for Pep. And the next logical step was to fire Grigson to give Pagano a chance calling the coaching shots. 

 

I think the only way they all stay here for 2016 is to win out, and also win a few playoff games. Or get in and get hot, and win it all. As a Colts fan, I never chalk up a loss until I see it appear in the losing column. 

[Gavin]

P​retty much agree with everything Coffee said regarding Pagano and Grigson, I don't have a lot of confidence in Pagano as a HC being able to outthink many HC's. With that said I am much more concerned with the talent/declining talent (of some) of the roster then the HC. I would not call HC a position of strength either by any stretch of the imagination.......Bottom line though...Get this team a Center that can blow a NT/DT off the ball, another big physical WR, a quality #2 Corner and consistent ILB play (particularly in coverage) and this team would be instantly multiple SB contenders if Luck played up to his capability unlike this season so far.

 

My mindset of football games and wins and losses is this: Coaches can lose you games but PLAYERS are the only ones that can win you games

[2006Coltsbestever]

A very good post HTC. I get that feeling too fans keep saying Pagano is a nice guy & he survived cancer how can we even think about parting ways with Chuck? But, you're right. It does feel like we've been out coached at times or shot ourselves in the foot with a lack of discipline like our special teams blunder against NE. I still can't get over that loss either. We had the momentum & just blew it over a lack of concentration. 

 

Your last line made me laugh too. I don't dislike Chuck as a person. I just don't think he will ever get our franchise to a SB & that's what I really want: The ultimate bragging rights. 

I think the problem too most people don't trust Chuck as the guy that can get us over the top. Meaning the Coach who can win us a SB. His 0-5 record against the Patriots really sticks out unfortunately and this season we don't look anywhere near as good as them again. It's ashame 1 team has had our number but they do and until we beat them in the Playoffs I don't think many will say Chuck is the man. He is a Good Coach, Great guy, but until he beats the Pats in the Playoffs or gets us to a SB he cant be labeled Great IMO.

[Jdubu]

I have felt like Pep was the weakest link in the chain this year and I didn't enjoy much of him last year either. The move to fire Pep was exactly the right move. As for Griggs, some of the moves have been mind boggling but every gm has some gafs. His first draft was excellent. This past year seems to have also been a very nice draft as well. If he has dictated which players are played in games and he brought in coaches that pags didn't agree with but was told too bad, Griggs needs to go or Irsay needs to strip that part of his GM power because you hire a coach to win games and if it isn't working out that way, the GM fires the coach for making poor choices. As for Chuck, I'm mixed on him. His sideline decisions have improved from year one but he is still pretty meh on them. I won't be upset if he stays or go honestly unless we just get worse as the season goes on. Manusky, this guy I don't understand his scheme. It looks very simple and we give up too many 3rd down and long plays for my liking. We don't get physical at the los with our man to man corners enough, if much at all. Free releases off the line or into zones is not playing to the players strength IMO, it seems he coaches scared and hopes to have the opposing QB mess up as opposed to us defending a player. I'd like a more attacking style defense and I'm not sure Manusky can deliver that style. I'd also like to see a new oline coach, ours hasn't provided us much in success.

[ÅÐØNϧ 1]

Personally I wouldn't mind seeing Pagano back for another year... As long as they keep winning. 

 

As stated above, its hard to judge given that the offense is playing with their backup QB, which limits what the offense can do.  For example, as good as MH has played he doesn't have the wheels that Luck has and therefore doesn't freeze the D with the run threat.  That seemed to work wonders against Denver.

 

The Colts proved Paganos first year they could win without him so IMO win or lose he has'nt proved he is the coach that can get this team to the next level . He has been unimpressive .

 

And its easy to judge the offense no ones getting open enough to allow the passing game to get going regardless of which QB is in there running for there life behind an offensive line who offends me weekly .

 

 

EXAMPLE ?

 

Those wheels turned our franchise QB into the walking wounded , Worked wonders ? Yeah its a wonder hes still going to be able to take the field this season ,

 

No doubt 12 was with the help of the defense the reasons we won that game his athletic ability combined with the necessity to run for your life can create some big plays unfortunately the biggest was there defense on our QB .

 

And that my friend is a huge problem only made worse with MH & without Costanzo .

 

The Buck stops with Grigson in my book & at this point I'm thinking the GM & Coach have outlived there welcome  IMO ..

[aaron11]

 You don't give a 1st for a RB.

gurley was worth it

[deedub75]

Personally I wouldn't mind seeing Pagano back for another year... As long as they keep winning. 

 

As stated above, its hard to judge given that the offense is playing with their backup QB, which limits what the offense can do.  For example, as good as MH has played he doesn't have the wheels that Luck has and therefore doesn't freeze the D with the run threat.  That seemed to work wonders against Denver.

 

Unless they are going to give Pagano a multi-year contract, it makes little sense to keep him beyond this year.  Since they didn't offer him a multi-year contract, I don't think they have much faith in him getting this team over the hump.  I think it's really time to clean house.  If the rumors are true that Grigson is overstepping his boundaries, no high quality coach is going to want to come on board unless Grigson is let go.  

[deedub75]

I think the problem too most people don't trust Chuck as the guy that can get us over the top. Meaning the Coach who can win us a SB. His 0-5 record against the Patriots really sticks out unfortunately and this season we don't look anywhere near as good as them again. It's ashame 1 team has had our number but they do and until we beat them in the Playoffs I don't think many will say Chuck is the man. He is a Good Coach, Great guy, but until he beats the Pats in the Playoffs or gets us to a SB he cant be labeled Great IMO.

 

The Chargers have our number too but thankfully we don't play them as often.  We probably could have beaten them this year though.

[BOTT]

gurley was worth it

Nope. Well, probably, but I still wouldn't draft him. Would still rather roll the dice on someone else.

[Feardaneard]

gurley was worth it

Agreed, he is a home run threat every time he touches the ball. Defense has to game plan for him. Imagine if he had a QB. The Rams would be scary good.

[Rally5]

I keep thinking about what a horrible predicament we'd be in right now without Matthew Hasselbeck. Would Chuck have an answer or be able to adapt? I have my reservations. How far out of the division lead would we be down record wise? I will give Chuck credit for 1 thing: He's good at coaching up cornerbacks. I just don't see solid halftime adjustments often enough. 

 

If Jackson had not picked off Ryan, would we have won that game vs Atlanta? No. Does, Pagano deserve a pass for not having Chud all year as OC vs Hamilton? Can't Chuck pound the table in Grigson's office & say "Darn it Grigs I want my guy Rob not Pep?!" Why is this excuse thrown in our face as a fan base like Chuck was powerless to fight his own battles? I still think Pags is gone next year & I want either Tom Coughlin or Greg Roman because until we get our o-line fixed or better coaching INDY goes nowhere in the post season. 

 

And don't get me started on Grigson's useless double speak interviews that tell you nothing....I know; I know I sound like a broken record but Ryan's aloofness either by design or accident irritates the hades out of me. Best player available is the only way to go crap over & over again. Sigh. End Rant. 

 

What bothers me most about the best player available argument is that people act like you can ignore gabbing holes on your team & just draft surplus guys forever because they are there. It's like saying the speed limit says 65 so if you go 75 your breaking the rules, anarchy will ensue, & a horrible collision is about to unfold? Are you kidding me with this nonsense? LOL!

Solid.  BTW, Where are all the people that wanted Hasselbeck cut for a poor pre-season game???  Ugh!

[aaron11]

Nope. Well, probably, but I still wouldn't draft him. Would still rather roll the dice on someone else.

fair enough, draft value is subjective after all

[southwest1]

I think the problem too most people don't trust Chuck as the guy that can get us over the top. Meaning the Coach who can win us a SB. His 0-5 record against the Patriots really sticks out unfortunately and this season we don't look anywhere near as good as them again. It's ashame 1 team has had our number but they do and until we beat them in the Playoffs I don't think many will say Chuck is the man. He is a Good Coach, Great guy, but until he beats the Pats in the Playoffs or gets us to a SB he cant be labeled Great IMO.

Yes that's basically it. Does Chuck Pagano have the grit, tenacity, & intelligence to make the adjustments to get to & win the SB? Honestly, no he doesn't. As much as I rave about my hatred for the Cowboys, I respected the hades out of HC Jimmy Johnson. Why? Because he put unholy fear into players if they underperformed or their pursuit of excellence on the field sucked. I don't wanna a BFF [best Friend Forever] in my head coach. I want accountability by everyone. Look, I get that motivating men & encouraging them are necessary at times. However, I just don't feel that Chuck is lighting a fire under enough player's backsides week to week. 

 

Maybe Pags does this behind closed doors in the film room or at practice. I don't know. I just feel like Chuck is a swell guy who will never get us to the promiseland. Like you say, if we can't beat our arch rival in the AFC [the Patriots], forget it; it's over darlin' turn out the lights & make a regime change. Luck's not getting any younger. Chuck can finish out the year, but I want hardware & Chuck will never furnish INDY with that. Sorry. It's just how I feel. 

 

Being a HC in the NFL is all about Playoff wins, Championship games, & rings...Everything else is window dressing & I am not looking for a man I wish was my uncle or grandpa around the family Christmas tree. In the words of Gordon Gekko from "WallStreet", "You either win or you get eliminated [fired]." 

[2006Coltsbestever]

Yes that's basically it. Does Chuck Pagano have the grit, tenacity, & intelligence to make the adjustments to get to & win the SB? Honestly, no he doesn't. As much as I rave about my hatred for the Cowboys, I respected the hades out of HC Jimmy Johnson. Why? Because he put unholy fear into players if they underperformed or their pursuit of excellence on the field sucked. I don't wanna a BFF [best Friend Forever] in my head coach. I want accountability by everyone. Look, I get that motivating men & encouraging them are necessary at times. However, I just don't feel that Chuck is lighting a fire under enough player's backsides week to week. 

 

Maybe Pags does this behind closed doors in the film room or at practice. I don't know. I just feel like Chuck is a swell guy who will never get us to the promiseland. Like you say, if we can't beat our arch rival in the AFC [the Patriots], forget it; it's over darlin' turn out the lights & make a regime change. Luck's not getting any younger. Chuck can finish out the year, but I want hardware & Chuck will never furnish INDY with that. Sorry. It's just how I feel. 

 

Being a HC in the NFL is all about Playoff wins, Championship games, & rings...Everything else is window dressing & I am not looking for a man I wish was my uncle or grandpa around the family Christmas tree. In the words of Gordon Gekko from "WallStreet", "You either win or you get eliminated [fired]." 

Great Post, couldn't of said it better. We will see how this season plays out. At this point it is really tough to predict. Nobody even knows when Andrew will be back.

[southwest1]

Solid.  BTW, Where are all the people that wanted Hasselbeck cut for a poor pre-season game???  Ugh!

Uh huh. I won't chastise INDY's fans too much for under estimating the value & talent in Matthew's experience. I even liked Matthew back in Lambeau Field days. The old man can still "Gitter Done" man. 

 

He's so smart, savvy, & there's nothing a defense can throw at him that he hasn't seen. 

 

Hey Gavin, I love what you said here dude: "Coaches can lose you games but PLAYERS are the only ones that can win you games." Beautifully stated Gavin! Coaches also make sure that players don't have mental lapses, false starts, or defensive encroachment penalties either. Players like children who are a direct reflection of their parents...Players mimic their HC too...Are they tough, disciplined, & don't crack under pressure? The best one show this game after game; year after year decade after decade. 

[needanoline63]

I still want pagano and grigson gone

[southwest1]

The Colts proved Paganos first year they could win without him so IMO win or lose he has'nt proved he is the coach that can get this team to the next level . He has been unimpressive .

 

And its easy to judge the offense no ones getting open enough to allow the passing game to get going regardless of which QB is in there running for there life behind an offensive line who offends me weekly .

 

 

EXAMPLE ?

 

Those wheels turned our franchise QB into the walking wounded , Worked wonders ? Yeah its a wonder hes still going to be able to take the field this season ,

 

No doubt 12 was with the help of the defense the reasons we won that game his athletic ability combined with the necessity to run for your life can create some big plays unfortunately the biggest was there defense on our QB .

 

And that my friend is a huge problem only made worse with MH & without Costanzo .

 

The Buck stops with Grigson in my book & at this point I'm thinking the GM & Coach have outlived there welcome  IMO ..

Harsh, but truthful Adonis. How can we draft a QB of Luck's caliber in 2012 & still not be able to protect him in 2015? It boggles my mind. I will say this over & over again: What's the 1st thing our former HOF QB Peyton Manning grilled our old GM on? Just how well Bill was gonna protect him up front.

 

Games in this league are won or lost in the trenches. A surplus of WRs & TE's aren't nearly as vital as Grigson thinks they are. No franchise QB wins games on their back starring at the stadium roof or sky. 

 

I agree 100% Adonis.

[southwest1]

I still want pagano and grigson gone

There was a point when I thought one could go & one could stay, but now...You're right they're both gone or need to be N63. Our make shift offensive line is as much a poor reflection on Grigs as it is Pags.

 

Clear the deck boys & start over. There is no alternative once our season ends at this point. 

 

My line up next year:

 

HC: Greg Roman from the Bills

 

Offensive line Coach: Paul Alexander from the Bengals

 

DC:  Sean McDermott from the Panthers

 

LB Coach: Kevin Greene who won a ring in GB

 

OC: Josh McDaniels from NE or keep Chud in place. Either scenario works...

 

Special Teams: I need to ponder this one briefly...The Ravens always seem to have good gunners & tacklers on ST & John Harbaugh cut his teeth there in Philly...Jerry Rosburg

 

Oh we need a good strength & conditioning coach too since INDY always gets decimated by injuries...Somebody off Bruce Arians AZ staff then...

[southwest1]

There was a point when I thought one could go & one could stay, but now...You're right they're both gone or need to be N63. Our make shift offensive line is as much a poor reflection on Grigs as it is Pags.

 

Clear the deck boys & start over. There is no alternative once our season ends at this point. 

 

My line up next year:

 

HC: Greg Roman from the Bills

 

Offensive line Coach: Paul Alexander from the Bengals

 

DC:  Sean McDermott from the Panthers

 

LB Coach: Kevin Greene who won a ring in GB

 

OC: Josh McDaniels from NE or keep Chud in place. Either scenario works...

 

Special Teams: I need to ponder this one briefly...The Ravens always seem to have good gunners & tacklers on ST & John Harbaugh cut his teeth there in Philly...Jerry Rosburg

 

Oh we need a good strength & conditioning coach too since INDY always gets decimated by injuries...Somebody off Bruce Arians AZ staff then...

Whoa...I've so embarrassed...Given how much I revere the NY Giants organization....Our new GM is Kevin Abrams...Currently Assistant GM in the Big Apple. Okay, I'm done now with my dream list not factoring in cost of course.

 

Marc Ross, VP of Player evaluations, is worth taking a run at too for INDY's new draft expertise guru as well if Kevin Abrams refuses to leave the Mara Family as a final fallback GM candidate option.

 

I just love how Big Blue never panics as a club, plays hard nosed ball, & they never throw in the towel. Plus, I revere how this franchise back to Bill Parcells chewed every players caboose off if their head wasn't in the game like QBs Phil Simms & Jeff Hostetler. Simply awesome man! 

[GoColts8818]

Let's continue to let this play out. There's a few things going in Pagano's direction- namely the team wants to play for him. That's a quality that's hard to let out the front door. I think with the right staff around him, he's the guy. 

 

Grigson isn't looking better through any of this though. In fact, he's looking really crumby. Way to many swings and misses to go unnoticed at this point. I saw some tweet in passing "none of his first round picks played a snap last sunday".

since two of the three are hurt that doesn't mean much.

[BOTT]

There was a point when I thought one could go & one could stay, but now...You're right they're both gone or need to be N63. Our make shift offensive line is as much a poor reflection on Grigs as it is Pags.

 

Clear the deck boys & start over. There is no alternative once our season ends at this point. 

 

My line up next year:

 

HC: Greg Roman from the Bills

 

Offensive line Coach: Paul Alexander from the Bengals

 

DC:  Sean McDermott from the Panthers

 

LB Coach: Kevin Greene who won a ring in GB

 

OC: Josh McDaniels from NE or keep Chud in place. Either scenario works...

 

Special Teams: I need to ponder this one briefly...The Ravens always seem to have good gunners & tacklers on ST & John Harbaugh cut his teeth there in Philly...Jerry Rosburg

 

Oh we need a good strength & conditioning coach too since INDY always gets decimated by injuries...Somebody off Bruce Arians AZ staff then...

Can't make lateral moves unless their contracts are up

[southwest1]

Can't make lateral moves unless their contracts are up

True BOTT. A valid observation my friend. Money & logistics have never been  my strong suit. Think of SW1's list as a rub the Aladdin lamp, Robin Williams pops out & you can have whatever multi-layered 3 wishes you want. 

 

But, I will openly concede to you that the vast majority of my coaching list is wishful thinking & probably never come to total fruition. 

 

I'd love to land Greg Roman as HC & Kevin Abrams as our new GM because Big Blue always has playmakers on both lines under a Tom Couglin regime. The rest of those vacancies are fair game to me, but we can't screw up on HC or GM IMO. 

[The Fish]

since two of the three are hurt that doesn't mean much.

You must have not seen my other posts regarding this. I can promise you, it means something, plenty more than "not much".

[ÅÐØNϧ 1]

Harsh, but truthful Adonis. How can we draft a QB of Luck's caliber in 2012 & still not be able to protect him in 2015? It boggles my mind. I will say this over & over again: What's the 1st thing our former HOF QB Peyton Manning grilled our old GM on? Just how well Bill was gonna protect him up front.

 

Games in this league are won or lost in the trenches. A surplus of WRs & TE's aren't nearly as vital as Grigson thinks they are. No franchise QB wins games on their back starring at the stadium roof or sky. 

 

I agree 100% Adonis.

 

Dude It boggles the mind a GM a o-lineman in his previous incarnation can't field a line to protect the franchise year after year what is the problem ?

 

Grigson made the easy choice drafting Luck it was a given & has failed this team & franchise by allowing 12 to get hospitalized , For all those that wanted to keep 18 who can't run should by now realize letting Peyton walk was the best thing for him he would not last 1 season with the Offensive O-lines the Colts have fielded the last 3 seasons .

[GoColts8818]

You must have not seen my other posts regarding this. I can promise you, it means something, plenty more than "not much".

not really because if Luck and Dorrsett were healthy they would be playing. They are just hurt. It happens. We know Werner was a miss, that's not breaking news at this point.