Andrew Luck partial shoulder subluxation (Merged)

[crazycolt1]

If it is speculation, opinion, lied about or anything else it is against the law for anyone to discuss Lucks medical condition with anyone. By law the NFL have to use the terms out, probable, questionable or doubtful. I would think that anyone in the Colts organization would know this and not discuss Luck's medical condition with anyone. If they did, they would be breaking the Colts rules and the law that applies to any one under a doctors care. Luck would have to sign a waiver for anyone to discuss his medical condition just like any one of us would.

[SDakColts]

If it is speculation, opinion, lied about or anything else it is against the law for anyone to discuss Lucks medical condition with anyone. By law the NFL have to use the terms out, probable, questionable or doubtful. I would think that anyone in the Colts organization would know this and not discuss Luck's medical condition with anyone. If they did, they would be breaking the Colts rules and the law that applies to any one under a doctors care. Luck would have to sign a waiver for anyone to discuss his medical condition just like any one of us would.

Well then I guess according to this source's speculation he is Questionable with a 50%-60% chance of playing. I don't think this source gave anymore info on Luck's injury just the probability of him playing against the Pats.

[Draztik]

Doubt he misses it, but if he does then wow.... Injury is worse than we are being told

[JPFolks]

Perhaps it's just gamesmanship. Maybe we want the Pats to prepare for 2 qb's

Many thought that about this week.... Luck is obviously seriously injured.  The Houston game was more important than the NE game.  Even with Luck we have about a 10% chance of even being competitive.  NE is out to destroy everybody, especially us.   This will likely be akin to a Super Bowl for them in terms of intensity.  Perhaps if that is true, we'll win as they've always been beatable in each of their Super Bowl games.   They should have lost 3 more and only won 1, save for Adam and bad 1 yd line call.  So perhaps their hyper intensity will work in our favor... wishful thinking.  They'll try to put 70 on us if they can.  Glad we have 10 days to heal and we can only hope what's left of Dallas will hit them hard and bang them up.  Their two returning thug defenders are back after suspensions....

[Restored]

You are arguing just to argue. We could have spent high round picks on the oline, less in other areas, and gone not as good against the AFC South and less than .500 against the rest. You are simply making assumptions about what the winning percentages would have been if Grigs did things your way.

Your other stats mean nothing because you are just looking at the drive-by stats of total resources spent compared to other teams over a short time period.

I made the point that Grigson has used the proper draft picks at the proper positions on the oline...not needing to draft a LT. Drive-by stats would obviously show him spending fewer high draft choices on the oline than other teams who drafted a LT over the measured period. The comparison would mean nothing.

And now you want to compare FA signings by looking at the total dollars spent relative to other teams. The teams not on the list, the ones who did spend more money, also spent money on Olineman who stunk, (see one of my previous posts) and the money they spent on stinky Olinemen will hurt their chances of re-signing their own good players. The ranking of total dollars spent by team means nothing.

It doesn't mean that Grigs neglected the oline because other teams spent more FA money or higher round draft picks. No

Luck gets hit more than most QBs because he doesn't move off of his spot 7 steps behind center fast enough and waits for the longer routes to open up. It started with Arians and it hasn't changed.

 

I'm really not. On the flip side of your coin, the Colts could've built a monster offensive line and ended up already in a Super Bowl to this point. What I do know is, is that this offensive line has been bad and the evidence (abet it is tiny because Grigson only spent 1 high round pick) is that if Grigson invested more high round picks instead of throwing chump change and low round picks, maybe the offensive line wouldn't be as bad as it is.

 

You keeping trying to refute my usage of stats because they happen to prove my point. Highly laughable.

 

If you think a LT is the only position on an offensive line that can be drafted in the 1st round, you have a very narrow way of looking at the draft.

 

The whole point has been that Grigson hasn't invested enough in that offensive line. The stat I posted showed that to be true. You get what you put into something and Grigson has shown that he hasn't put enough into the offensive line, hence the result.

 

Does Luck hold on to the ball too long sometimes? Yes. Does the offensive line play poorly more often than not? Yes. But when it comes down to it, one issue clearly has prevalence over the other. It's not that hard to see.

[DougDew]

I'm really not. On the flip side of your coin, the Colts could've built a monster offensive line and ended up already in a Super Bowl to this point. What I do know is, is that this offensive line has been bad and the evidence (abet it is tiny because Grigson only spent 1 high round pick) is that if Grigson invested more high round picks instead of throwing chump change and low round picks, maybe the offensive line wouldn't be as bad as it is.

 

You keeping trying to refute my usage of stats because they happen to prove my point. Highly laughable.

 

If you think a LT is the only position on an offensive line that can be drafted in the 1st round, you have a very narrow way of looking at the draft.

 

The whole point has been that Grigson hasn't invested enough in that offensive line. The stat I posted showed that to be true. You get what you put into something and Grigson has shown that he hasn't put enough into the offensive line, hence the result.

 

Does Luck hold on to the ball too long sometimes? Yes. Does the offensive line play poorly more often than not? Yes. But when it comes down to it, one issue clearly has prevalence over the other. It's not that hard to see.

Oh...you're still talking about this?

[NewColtsFan]

I'm really not. On the flip side of your coin, the Colts could've built a monster offensive line and ended up already in a Super Bowl to this point. What I do know is, is that this offensive line has been bad and the evidence (abet it is tiny because Grigson only spent 1 high round pick) is that if Grigson invested more high round picks instead of throwing chump change and low round picks, maybe the offensive line wouldn't be as bad as it is.

 

You keeping trying to refute my usage of stats because they happen to prove my point. Highly laughable.

 

If you think a LT is the only position on an offensive line that can be drafted in the 1st round, you have a very narrow way of looking at the draft.

 

The whole point has been that Grigson hasn't invested enough in that offensive line. The stat I posted showed that to be true. You get what you put into something and Grigson has shown that he hasn't put enough into the offensive line, hence the result.

 

Does Luck hold on to the ball too long sometimes? Yes. Does the offensive line play poorly more often than not? Yes. But when it comes down to it, one issue clearly has prevalence over the other. It's not that hard to see.

 

There is no chance that the Colts would/should/could have already been in a Super Bowl already.

 

Even had Grigson built the greatest OL of all-time,  we're only in year 4 of a near complete re-build.   If we had invested more resources in the OL all that means is that other areas of the team would've been neglected.    We'd be strong at the OL at the expense of other areas.

 

And Grigson hasn't only spent one high pick on an OL.    You're talking about Mewhort, a 2nd round pick.

 

There's nothing wrong with spending a 3 on a guard or a 4 on a center.    That's fine.

 

The problem is both Thornton and Holmes have been slow to round into quality guys.    They might still, but they're not there yet.   And Chrilus and Thomas both flamed out due to injuries.     Stuff happens.

 

Grigson has made moves -- but they haven't worked out as planned.

 

But saying we could've already been in a Super Bowl if only Grigson had built the OL is not close to correct in my view.....

[JPFolks]

There is no chance that the Colts would/should/could have already been in a Super Bowl already.

 

Even had Grigson built the greatest OL of all-time,  we're only in year 4 of a near complete re-build.   If we had invested more resources in the OL all that means is that other areas of the team would've been neglected.    We'd be strong at the OL at the expense of other areas.

 

And Grigson hasn't only spent one high pick on an OL.    You're talking about Mewhort, a 2nd round pick.

 

There's nothing wrong with spending a 3 on a guard or a 4 on a center.    That's fine.

 

The problem is both Thornton and Holmes have been slow to round into quality guys.    They might still, but they're not there yet.   And Chrilus and Thomas both flamed out due to injuries.     Stuff happens.

 

Grigson has made moves -- but they haven't worked out as planned.

 

But saying we could've already been in a Super Bowl if only Grigson had built the OL is not close to correct in my view.....

Unless those O-linemen were going to tackle NE running backs or cover Gronk, we would not have been in any Super Bowls.  Remember, we beat both Super Bowl teams 2 years ago in the regular season, but NE got in our way as always.  Lucks rookie year we were not an o-line away from winning the Super Bowl either. 

[NewColtsFan]

Unless those O-linemen were going to tackle NE running backs or cover Gronk, we would not have been in any Super Bowls.  Remember, we beat both Super Bowl teams 2 years ago in the regular season, but NE got in our way as always.  Lucks rookie year we were not an o-line away from winning the Super Bowl either. 

 

 

Thank you!     This!  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

 

You said it well......   and in many fewer words!       

[jameszeigler834]

Yep. It isn't worth the risk of him getting hurt. Even if the Colts lose, the season is still not over. The same can't be said if Andrew goes down.

I was surprised the colts Offensive line shut him down in this game because through the first month they were awful.

[Moncrief]

I wonder where that poster is at that claimed he knew some of the Colts doctors. It'd be interesting to see what he is saying or found out now

[CanuckColt]

They are probably waiting to see if the shoulder heals and tightens up or if it's too loose and requires surgery.

If he needs an operation, they better do it soon and just screw up one season and not two.