Andre

[mattceinicram]

Will we start seeing more performances like this from him? Has Luck's injury inhibited his ability to get the ball to AJ?

[Coltsman1788]

Good for Andre. I had a feeling that he'd have his Colts breakout game against the Texans. lol  Now let's see him continue to show this against the rest of the league. 

[Jules]

He wanted to shove it to his old team......

 

And I approve.

[tvturner]

That is the Andre the Colts wanted when they signed him, and I hope he keeps that pace now

[SDakColts]

I also thought that Pep finally used him as he should be used. If Pep continues to implement him in our offense like he did tonight I believe Andre will give us these type of games consistently.

[bap1331]

I always believed in him. Luck just never threw to him. Luck needs to learn to trust all his receivers. When they did throw to him, they were horrible passes. He will do great and love having him as a mentor for other receivers.

[Bluefire4]

He said he was doing more blocking opening up for other playmakers... kind of like the Roddy White situation in Atlanta. Pagano seemed to confirm this when he said they just need to get him in the game plan. They definitely looked like they tried to for this game.. let's keep it going.

[JH8788]

I also thought that Pep finally used him as he should be used. If Pep continues to implement him in our offense like he did tonight I believe Andre will give us these type of games consistently.

The more comfortable he becomes working in the slot, the more dangerous this offense will be.

[Gabriel Alexander Morillo]

Honestly you guys might crucify me for this but it's not that Andre has lost it. Its more like Luck doesnt trust him or just doesj know when to throw him the ball.

[krunk]

I kept saying the guy can still play. All in how we use him!

[SteelDragon]

Great catch near the sideline last night. I don't really think anyone here thought AJ was done at all. We see Hass has chemistry with him, now I want 'the franchise' to prove it.

[Smash Mouth]

I also thought that Pep finally used him as he should be used. If Pep continues to implement him in our offense like he did tonight I believe Andre will give us these type of games consistently.

I watched the NFL Network's Post Game Show and Andre said something that I though was interesting.  He said that he's playing more in the slot and its been an adjustment.

[Narcosys]

Great catch near the sideline last night. I don't really think anyone here thought AJ was done at all. We see Hass has chemistry with him, now I want 'the franchise' to prove it.

Then you haven't been been on the boards after a loss or in the GameDay chats/topics. People were constantly saying he's old, slow, and was a bad signing.

[BullsColtsFan1]

He played amazing.  I hope he plays with that chip on his shoulder every game and not just against the Texans lol

[P-Money]

Then you haven't been been on the boards after a loss or in the GameDay chats/topics. People were constantly saying he's old, slow, and was a bad signing.

Exactly!!! I don't post much on here anymore, just come to read more than anything. It's hilarious how the majority of folks on here posting were bashing the heck out of Andre the first 4 games and now that he had a great game last night they're all acting like they've supported the poor guy all along. Sad!!!. Learn to eat your crow and move on. There was just a thread a few days ago ripping on him and there were only 3 or 4 of us that defended him.

[COLTS449]

I also thought that Pep finally used him as he should be used. If Pep continues to implement him in our offense like he did tonight I believe Andre will give us these type of games consistently.

 

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[COLTS449]

That over the shoulder catch near the sideline was a thing of beauty.

[will426]

I always believed in him. Luck just never threw to him. Luck needs to learn to trust all his receivers. When they did throw to him, they were horrible passes. He will do great and love having him as a mentor for other receivers.

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[will426]

Then you haven't been been on the boards after a loss or in the GameDay chats/topics. People were constantly saying he's old, slow, and was a bad signing.

exactly now he helps us win he's himself lol talent was always there we just didn't scheme for him nor did luck look his way

[ColtsLegacy]

I also thought that Pep finally used him as he should be used. If Pep continues to implement him in our offense like he did tonight I believe Andre will give us these type of games consistently.

Exactly. I've been saying since week one that you need to put the ball up to Andre, give him a shot. That's how he killed us all those years. He's not going to blow anyone away but he'll use his body to go up and get the ball more often than not.

He ain't done, he just needs to be utilized and given a shot.

[ProblChld32]

Pep needs to move AJ around more, to create mismatches, but it was nice to see him have a decent game last night.

[IndySouthsider]

Lol that was Andfe. Not the slow and old Andre.

[throwing BBZ]

Will we start seeing more performances like this from him? Has Luck's injury inhibited his ability to get the ball to AJ?

 

 No.

 Andrew is weak in the short game so...

[Rally5]

Yikes guys, some of these posts are so far off.  Andre had been playing more outside the first three games and running mid to deep routes v man coverage which he can't win anymore.  The last two games he's played in the slot (where he belongs now) and running short in and out routes and uses his hands and size to his advantage.  Think of the plays and catches you saw him makes, all short passes.  Heck, he rolled into the end zone on a two-year slant from the slot.  His long run was on a three yard out route on a designed roll out.  Have you seen that one before?  He's literally playing in a different position and running different routes.  

 

There's absolutely nothing about Andrew not wanting to get him the ball or not knowing how to use him. Geez guys.  Andre couldn't play the outside last year and he hasn't gotten faster, the slot is his final home before Canton.  Moncreif and Hilton are our outside guys with the occasional Dorsett sighting.  

[ColtsLegacy]

Yikes guys, some of these posts are so far off.  Andre had been playing more outside the first three games and running mid to deep routes v man coverage which he can't win anymore.  The last two games he's played in the slot (where he belongs now) and running short in and out routes and uses his hands and size to his advantage.  Think of the plays and catches you saw him makes, all short passes.  Heck, he rolled into the end zone on a two-year slant from the slot.  His long run was on a three yard out route on a designed roll out.  Have you seen that one before?  He's literally playing in a different position and running different routes.  

 

There's absolutely nothing about Andrew not wanting to get him the ball or not knowing how to use him. Geez guys.  Andre couldn't play the outside last year and he hasn't gotten faster, the slot is his final home before Canton.  Moncreif and Hilton are our outside guys with the occasional Dorsett sighting.  

 

He absolutely can and will win mid to deep routes if you give him a chance. He's not going to burn anyone but he'll use his body and ball skills to come down with the ball.

[Rally5]

He absolutely can and will win mid to deep routes if you give him a chance. He's not going to burn anyone but he'll use his body and ball skills to come down with the ball.

I respectfully disagree however let's say you're right.  He didn't do it effectively and Andrew certainly was looking downfield for options. In the list who do you want on the outside running your Mid and deep routes choose from:

1. Hilton

2. Moncreif

3. Dorsett

4. Johnson

 

You see the formula for success, heck you're celebrating it and rightfully so. It's Fleener down the seam, it Johnson running digs, slants, whips, shallow cross and maybe the occassionally sluggo for a big play etc, you get the point.  He's a matchup nightmare for a nickel corner, safety or outside backer.  He's NOT a match up nightmare v a number 1 or 2 corner anymore. 

[ColtsLegacy]

I respectfully disagree however let's say you're right.  He didn't do it effectively and Andrew certainly was looking downfield for options. In the list who do you want on the outside running your Mid and deep routes choose from:

1. Hilton

2. Moncreif

3. Dorsett

4. Johnson

 

You see the formula for success, heck you're celebrating it and rightfully so. It's Fleener down the seam, it Johnson running digs, slants, whips, shallow cross and maybe the occassionally sluggo for a big play etc, you get the point.  He's a matchup nightmare for a nickel corner, safety or outside backer.  He's NOT a match up nightmare v a number 1 or 2 corner anymore. 

 

I'm not suggesting he should be the #1 deep target but he can and will win, not via speed, but technique and strength.

[will426]

I respectfully disagree however let's say you're right. He didn't do it effectively and Andrew certainly was looking downfield for options. In the list who do you want on the outside running your Mid and deep routes choose from:

1. Hilton

2. Moncreif

3. Dorsett

4. Johnson

You see the formula for success, heck you're celebrating it and rightfully so. It's Fleener down the seam, it Johnson running digs, slants, whips, shallow cross and maybe the occassionally sluggo for a big play etc, you get the point. He's a matchup nightmare for a nickel corner, safety or outside backer. He's NOT a match up nightmare v a number 1 or 2 corner anymore.

Andrew doesn't throw Aj decent passes he throws them hard and very high and normally off target.,he has yet to throw a ball up that Andre can jump in the air and pluck it like he did with him on the sideline..those are the passes he excelled in while on the outside last year

[Dark Superman]

I love how we are using everyone by committee in the passing game this year instead of just throwing to Hilton every other play. We have enough guys to bring in and out of the lineup in order to keep guys fresh on the field. I'd love to see Dorsett utilized more to setup bringing in A.J once we're in the redzone.

[Rally5]

Andrew doesn't throw Aj decent passes he throws them hard and very high and normally off target.,he has yet to throw a ball up that Andre can jump in the air and pluck it like he did with him on the sideline..those are the passes he excelled in while on the outside last year

Did Andre excel last year? I think it was his worst year as a pro in which he played a full season, I'm not positive about that but I'm sure I'm close.  So, ok. if we throw high balls that he can jump up in the air and get then AJ will be maximizing his roll on the team is that the point?

 

Outside receivers must be able to separate, run precise routes and make big plays when called upon.  AJ can do 1 of 3 at this point in his career from what I've seen. I'm sure that's not quite the "big idea" and imagine a world where they practice that every day as their go to play.  The comment makes no sense.   I'm not sure you guys are reading what you're saying.  A receiver on the outside has to separate, in fact what you are describing is a go route or a maybe fade, and technically a fade is over the outside shoulder again with separation. Yes, Andre used to out jump guys on "50/50" balls.  That was a small part of his very large arsenal.  AJ no longer has that large arsenal as part of his skill set.  He's simply no longer an outside receiver or a deep threat and that isn't hard to diagnose.  A receiver on the outside has to do so much more than what you are describing.  Frankly I'm not sure the 34 yrd old Andre is even capable of out athleticizing (not a word) these 20 something corners.

 

All that said, he does understand schemes and can be wildly effective in the slot, finding space, moving the chains and being effective in the red zone. Why is this an issue, it's actually huge for us! This is precisely what we did this week and we finally found his productive role.  Again, learning new players, chemistry, it just takes time.  It's NOT that Andrew throws wobbly balls to high and hard just to Andre for no logical reason.  C'mon Man!  Why can't we just call it like it is ... good to see we found a productive role for Andre!!! 

[NewColtsFan]

Will we start seeing more performances like this from him? Has Luck's injury inhibited his ability to get the ball to AJ?

 

Luck's injury has nothing to do with not getting the ball to Andre.

 

Luck's injury has something to do with him not getting the ball to most any of his receivers.

 

But it's not Andre-specific.

[Rally5]

Luck's injury has nothing to do with not getting the ball to Andre.

 

Luck's injury has something to do with him not getting the ball to most any of his receivers.

 

But it's not Andre-specific.

Right, thanks.

 

Smart to keep in mind:

• We faced two of the top defenses in the league.
• We faced a Dick Lebeau defense who may go to the hall of fame an assistant coordinator.
• Our schemes were terrible at best.
• Our O-line was unsettled at best as we had new line up each week
• We had new receiver and backs.

But yes,  I think the issue is Andrew no longer knows how to throw a football.  That's it!!! Let's make a trade for RGIII, he never really had a fair chance to show how bad he could really suck in DC.  Plus we have Hasselbesck now, so we don't really need Andrew.

 

just for clarity, this is sacrasm and not directed at you.

[will426]

Did Andre excel last year? I think it was his worst year as a pro in which he played a full season, I'm not positive about that but I'm sure I'm close. So, ok. if we throw high balls that he can jump up in the air and get then AJ will be maximizing his roll on the team is that the point?

Outside receivers must be able to separate, run precise routes and make big plays when called upon. AJ can do 1 of 3 at this point in his career from what I've seen. I'm sure that's not quite the "big idea" and imagine a world where they practice that every day as their go to play. The comment makes no sense. I'm not sure you guys are reading what you're saying. A receiver on the outside has to separate, in fact what you are describing is a go route or a maybe fade, and technically a fade is over the outside shoulder again with separation. Yes, Andre used to out jump guys on "50/50" balls. That was a small part of his very large arsenal. AJ no longer has that large arsenal as part of his skill set. He's simply no longer an outside receiver or a deep threat and that isn't hard to diagnose. A receiver on the outside has to do so much more than what you are describing. Frankly I'm not sure the 34 yrd old Andre is even capable of out athleticizing (not a word) these 20 something corners.

All that said, he does understand schemes and can be wildly effective in the slot, finding space, moving the chains and being effective in the red zone. Why is this an issue, it's actually huge for us! This is precisely what we did this week and we finally found his productive role. Again, learning new players, chemistry, it just takes time. It's NOT that Andrew throws wobbly balls to high and hard just to Andre for no logical reason. C'mon Man! Why can't we just call it like it is ... good to see we found a productive role for Andre!!!

eh what do you mean he doesn't have that skill anymore the only thing he's lost is his speed he can still outjump a corner.. And being on the outside doesn't mean you have to do more? No matter where you are you have to do a lot lol..they just need to scheme for him like they did this game..and no Andrew doesn't throw him wobbly balls he throws hit HIGH DARTS that usually always go off Andre's fingertips..and that's something luck has always done that's why most of his Int are off tipped passes he throws them high and hard and they get popped in the air if the receiver lays a finger on it..but yeah happy they schemed for him this game