Could Pagano be Fired?

[throwing BBZ]

We have a decent chance to lose the next 5 games.
If Andrew doesn`t show improvement soon, at 2-7 or 3-6,
It would be Chud time at that point. To see if he is The Guy. JMO of course.

[1959Colts]

Colts schedule is brutal up to the bye week.  If we lose to Houston the losses may spiral out of control.

Should they lose out... Pagano has to be toast.

 

Oct 8:   @Houston

Oct 18:  New England

Oct 25   New Orleans

Nov 2    @ Carolina

Nov 8    Denver

Nov 15  bye

[Superman]

Ehh there is such a thing about impulsive speaking which is basically what Irsay has done in the past on Twitter.

 

But others are correct his decision making when it comes to football matters are not impulsive.  So really I don't think there is much reason to believe that Pagano will be fired mid-season.  Irsay I think knows that is an impulsive thing to do so he will wait to the end of the season.

 

Now unless Pagano pulls off something really impressive I think Irsay is planning on firing him at the end of the season.

 

I disagree with that characterization of Irsay's tweets. Just because it was out of the ordinary for an NFL owner doesn't mean it was impulsive.

[amfootball]

Don't we still get to play those games to see who wins?

Of course. I think with Florio and Kravitz they are looking at the schedule and projecting. It is annoying but that is what the media does. I also think with Miami firing Philibin it has everyone on edge a bit so these stories surface. But really I don't think it is as much about wins and losses as how the team plays and responds to Pagano. It was obvious in Miami that Philibin had lost the team. I think with Pagano it is more about his relationship with Grig than the team. But who really knows. So much speculation.

[ColtRider]

Florio is an *, and Kravitz is a pot stirrer.

 

If Irsay didn't fire Jim Caldwell during the 2011 season, there's no reason to expect him to fire Pagano. 

 

I'd also like to understand why Irsay is being described as "oft-impulsive."

Could you please splatter this all over the forum? Thanks, MOS!

[JColts72]

Same endless daily topic with a new heading.

[Sting]

Colts schedule is brutal up to the bye week.  If we lose to Houston the losses may spiral out of control.

Should they lose out... Pagano has to be toast.

 

Oct 8:   @Houston

Oct 18:  New England

Oct 25   New Orleans

Nov 2    @ Carolina

Nov 8    Denver

Nov 15  bye

Griggs and Pep should be put in the toaster first.  

[radiogirl]

Of course. I think with Florio and Kravitz they are looking at the schedule and projecting. It is annoying but that is what the media does. I also think with Miami firing Philibin it has everyone on edge a bit so these stories surface. But really I don't think it is as much about wins and losses as how the team plays and responds to Pagano. It was obvious in Miami that Philibin had lost the team. I think with Pagano it is more about his relationship with Grig than the team. But who really knows. So much speculation.

You're right.  It's their job to speculate.  But, they tend to stretch things quite a bit.  And, they don't take relationships into consideration.  The players respond to Pagano and that is a big part of the battle.  And, you're right....it's all speculation.  Next few games will be tough and might reveal more.  With so much print being dedicated to the battles between Pagano and Griggs, it might be exaggerated.  But, there's got to be some truth to it.  They really need to put differences behind them and focus on winning another game.  Time will tell.....

[SteelCityColt]

Don't we still get to play those games to see who wins?

Shh, don't ruin the fantasy.

[jvan1973]

Well, we're not beating New England so..... there's that

Every other game is a toss up though

Yeah, upsets never happen in the nfl or any other sport. Ever. Never ever

[TKnight24]

Yeah, upsets never happen in the nfl or any other sport. Ever. Never ever

Oh they do. I.E. Florida beating Ole Miss last week in a dominating manner

But the Colts beating the Patriots? , that's just a no

[SteelCityColt]

Yeah, upsets never happen in the nfl or any other sport. Ever. Never ever

Everyone knows the NFL is rigged.

[jvan1973]

I wouldn't be heartbroken. #Harbaugh2016

Harbaugh isn't leaving michigan after one season

[Horse Shoe Heaven]

Honestly I think Pags is good. Our team has not found there stride yet. The defense is playing OK would like to see a little more pressure with the pass rush. The offence is IMO is mismanaged bye Pep!! Bad play calling.Not playing to players and personals strengths. If anyone should get fired it should be Pep!

[jvan1973]

Oh they do. I.E. Florida beating Ole Miss last week in a dominating manner

But the Colts beating the Patriots? , that's just a no

Much bigger upsets have happened

[Smash Mouth]

Florio is an *, and Kravitz is a pot stirrer.

 

If Irsay didn't fire Jim Caldwell during the 2011 season, there's no reason to expect him to fire Pagano. 

 

I'd also like to understand why Irsay is being described as "oft-impulsive." 

Agreed that Irsay is not impulsive.  But firing Caldwell in the middle of 2011 served absolutely no purpose.  That roster was awful and it was clear the house was getting a thorough cleaning.  I think that if Irsay was impassive we would hear more from him on the teams slow start.  I think Irsay is already of the mind set that Pagano is on borrowed time.  Otherwise he would have a new contract right now after three 11-win seasons.  My feeling is the  soft condition of the roster is exposing Grigson and he might find himself on the firing line too. Irsay has to pony up for Luck within the next year and he can't feel too good about the organization's ability to leverage his investment in Luck.

[CanuckColt]

Previously I wanted Coach Chuck fired BUT the more I hear about Tyrant Grigson and his minion Pep, the more I think the team would be better off with Chuck at HC and Chud calling the O, and Grigson with NO SAY on who Chuck chooses for his co-ordinators and staff and NO SAY on who plays and who sits.

[TrueColt!]

It's Not midseason tho....it's early. Very early.u can never believe the 1st quarter of the season. That's in any sport. In football right now it's easy. Win ur division. Regardless of the coach, we will win the division. So....everybody should take a page outta Rodgers book and R-E-L-A-X. You think, we win 2 games out the next 4 and we are 4-4 at midseason. We will will the division. Just relax. Next year is where we need to be worried about staff and our other issues. We make the playoffs this year, and that's a successful season considering the hole we are in and a injured starting QB.

[Superman]

Agreed that Irsay is not impulsive.  But firing Caldwell in the middle of 2011 served absolutely no purpose.  That roster was awful and it was clear the house was getting a thorough cleaning.  I think that if Irsay was impassive we would hear more from him on the teams slow start.  I think Irsay is already of the mind set that Pagano is on borrowed time.  Otherwise he would have a new contract right now after three 11-win seasons.  My feeling is the  soft condition of the roster is exposing Grigson and he might find himself on the firing line too. Irsay has to pony up for Luck within the next year and he can't feel too good about the organization's ability to leverage his investment in Luck.

 

They offered Pagano a one year extension so that he wouldn't be lame duck. He turned it down. He's already making league average money for a head coach. To me, the issue was that Pagano hasn't proven that he's "the guy" to take this team to the next level. He basically had two and a half years under his belt. This is supposed to be his "prove it" season, and it's not going well so far. It's still only been a month.

 

I always felt that this would be a consequential year for both Grigson and Pagano, one way or the other. We'll see how it shapes up.

 

As for Caldwell, if getting rid of him served no purpose, what purpose would firing Pagano serve? Most coaching changes are made at the end of the season, and it's hard to remember any midseason coaching change benefiting the team during that season or promoting success in the seasons that followed. 

[aaron11]

fire him and risk tanking.  i wouldn't even call it a risk at this point, because this team isn't winning anything except for maybe another AFC south.

 

i dont even care about the draft picks or who the interim coach is, this team needs a staff that can game plan and light a fire under the players each and every week. 

 

Harbaugh looks like the perfect canidate.  it's a long shot but he might leave Michigan to reunite with Luck

[Smurphy1]

Harbaugh isn't leaving michigan ever

 

FTFY

[tfunky14]

Colts schedule is brutal up to the bye week.  If we lose to Houston the losses may spiral out of control.

Should they lose out... Pagano has to be toast.

 

Oct 8:   @Houston

Oct 18:  New England

Oct 25   New Orleans

Nov 2    @ Carolina

Nov 8    Denver

Nov 15  bye

Colts should win verses New Orleans and Carolina fairly easy..

[jaybird95]

Harbaugh isn't leaving michigan after one season

 

One can hope. If there is any team he would for, it would be the Colts.

[jvan1973]

One can hope. If there is any team he would for, it would be the Colts.

There isn't a team he would leave michigan for after one season

[jvan1973]

FTFY

His track record says he won't be there for 15 years. But he isn't leaving after one season

[runthepost]

Colts should win verses New Orleans and Carolina fairly easy..

Carolina will shut down our offense

[lollygagger8]

Pepe Le Pew Hamiltom is the one that needs fired. 

 

Red Rover, Red Rover, send Chudzinski right over! 

[Horse Shoe Heaven]

Previously I wanted Coach Chuck fired BUT the more I hear about Tyrant Grigson and his minion Pep, the more I think the team would be better off with Chuck at HC and Chud calling the O, and Grigson with NO SAY on who Chuck chooses for his co-ordinators and staff and NO SAY on who plays and who sits.

I think this is correct!

[Horse Shoe Heaven]

Carolina will shut down our offense

Our offence shuts down our offense!!

[JPPT1974]

I hope not. As really I blame Grigson's so called Super Bowl or bust!

[OffensivelyPC]

They offered Pagano a one year extension so that he wouldn't be lame duck. He turned it down. He's already making league average money for a head coach. To me, the issue was that Pagano hasn't proven that he's "the guy" to take this team to the next level. He basically had two and a half years under his belt. This is supposed to be his "prove it" season, and it's not going well so far. It's still only been a month.

 

I always felt that this would be a consequential year for both Grigson and Pagano, one way or the other. We'll see how it shapes up.

 

As for Caldwell, if getting rid of him served no purpose, what purpose would firing Pagano serve? Most coaching changes are made at the end of the season, and it's hard to remember any midseason coaching change benefiting the team during that season or promoting success in the seasons that followed.

It wasn't a head coaching change, but when the Ravens fired Cam Cameron just before the playoffs, there was a substantial increase in that offense's productivity under Jim Caldwell (kind of funny given your conversation re: Pagano/Caldwell), in particular, Joe Flacco..

[JH8788]

I wouldn't be heartbroken. #Harbaugh2016

Chances of him leaving Michigan are slim to none BUT let's say it does happen & we do get him. What makes you think he & Ryan won't clash as well. Based on the reports that Ryan gets involved in the lineups & doesn't even let Chuck pick his own coaches, what makes you think that would sit well with Harbaugh? Or even Saban if by a crazy turn of events we ended up landing him. Also as great a coach as Harbaugh is, the man can't stay at a place for more than 4-5 years. We need a coach who's gonna be here for the long haul.

[JH8788]

I really hope we win tonight now because ESPN wants to bury us. Stephen A is a phony and they were laughing at us, Skip and the girl who just sits there and giggles just saying put the Colts out of their misery. Stephen A picked Indy to go the SB, stick with it dude or quit screaming. Defend your pick or dont talk at all.

I don't mind him backing off us as his SB pick. When all is said & done we'll make him eat his words.

[ColtStronger]

As far as I know, we get to play that game, also.

If you're considering a participation award for the previous games we've "played in", then yeah we get to contend in the game next Sunday!  I'm not giving up hope, but sure as heck not holding my breath.  In other words, as much as I like the Colts, I wouldn't put my money on the Colts against the Patriots!

[IndySouthsider]

Sigh how can we take this article serious. They couldn't even get the facts of the Houston game correctly. I don't remember any game last year or the Colts came back from a large deficit against Houston. Does not appear like journalists are expected to get the facts straight.

[Defjamz26]

Yeah, upsets never happen in the nfl or any other sport. Ever. Never ever

The fact that the Colts beating the Patriots would be an upset should tell you a lot about the team. Plus, whenever a win would be dubbed an "upset" of a team it means that the probability of winning was low to begin with.

In other words you just basically said the Colts will probably lose to the Patriots.

[Indycrazy1287]

In all honesty, Pagano isn't the one who deserves to be fired. That would be the man who built the offensive line and overstepped his boundaries on multiple occasions, Ryan Grigson.

YES. Grigson has hit on some picks yeah, but overall it seems that he has more control over everything from coaching to drafting than Pagano....it's a shame that Pagano is kinda blamed for it though lol

[bluxco]

HAMILTON is a great defensive coach.He holds our offense down every game

[Sting]

I hope not. As really I blame Grigson's so called Super Bowl or bust!

I blame Griggs and Pep equally.  Pep is an * and way over his head in the NFL.  Griggs has a once in a generation talent at QB and this is the Oline he put together to protect him??? Griggs is a buffoon.  I really believe Pags is trying to create a well rounded team but is being held back by Griggs.  JMHO.

[GwinnettColt]

If Pagano goes, Grigson certainly needs to go as well.   Irsay shouldn't allow Pagano to take the fall alone when Grigson made the draft, FA, and coordinator choices which put us where we are.