Andrew Luck partial shoulder subluxation (Merged)

[csmopar]

Is the guy who made the tweet a reliable source? I don't know who he is?

i dont either

[csmopar]

Well there's an article about it on Bleacher report too and you can't make the stuff they're saying up based on no facts. It's too specific to be just "chatter"

in which they quote the twitter post........

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Just for the record, Grigson didn't need to spend a 1st on a LT, since AC was already here, but he did just sign him to 1st round free agent money.  Grigs spent a 3rd on a G and a 4th on a C, which is where those positions have their value.  Only Dallas, Miami, and Pitt spent firsts on Centers, (Frederick Pouncy and Pouncy) and 2 of those 3 QBs are out with injuries. 

 

That's a 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and 4th, on the OL, and you want to fire him because the 3rd and 4th weren't at least a 2nd and 2nd?  Okay then....

 

You can imply perceived value all you want but there is a reason why Grigson's best offensive lineman came in the first two rounds of the draft with Mewhort. Usually, better players come in earlier rounds of the draft. Grigson could've easily spent his first rounder this year on either a guard or tackle that would be way more suited to the team's needs instead of drafting a WR.

 

You get what you pay for most of the time and Grigson rolled the dice in hoping that a 3rd and 4th round pick would solidify the offensive line. It clearly didn't work.

 

I want him gone because he's clearly failed to FIX a problem that's been the most glaring on this team since he's taken over it. How many times have we heard Grigson say "it starts in the trenches"? Only to be let down each and every season when Luck takes the most hits and sacks. It's time for a change.

[Colts_Fan12]

Not much of a chance of beating him with Luck this season with the way we've been playing.

But I don't think anyone really cares about winning games at this point. I'm more concerned about the health of the Franchise QB

I'm with you I know we prolly won't beat them with luck lol this team isn't built very good and the holes are starting to show

[NewEra]

So let me get this correct. A team should fire the GM for a bad coaching hire? If that is the case there would be a lot of GMs out of a job. You do not fire the GM. You just hire another coach. And how do you know exactly who forced who? The only thing you base your comment on is hearsay.

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Well there's a whole lot of hearsay going on. And yes, if Grigson did hire Pep and force him on Pag also forcing Pag to make personnel changes then dude needs to GO!

[DougDew]

You can imply perceived value all you want but there is a reason why Grigson's best offensive lineman came in the first two rounds of the draft with Mewhort. Usually, better players come in earlier rounds of the draft. Grigson could've easily spent his first rounder this year on either a guard or tackle that would be way more suited to the team's needs instead of drafting a WR.

 

You get what you pay for most of the time and Grigson rolled the dice in hoping that a 3rd and 4th round pick would solidify the offensive line. It clearly didn't work.

 

I want him gone because he's clearly failed to FIX a problem that's been the most glaring on this team since he's taken over it. How many times have we heard Grigson say "it starts in the trenches"? Only to be let down each and every season when Luck takes the most hits and sacks. It's time for a change.

Drafting a rookie OT or G in the first round this year would not have prevented sacks against the Bills and the Jets. Having a rookie start the first two games of the season would probably have made it even worse.

You don't draft for immediate need, you draft BPA within reason. When a 4.27 WR with route and hands comes along about every 5th year, and since a player like that NEVER falls to the 29th pick, you take him even if you don't need him immediately. However, since the Colts needed a third WR, it was also an immediate need. Apparently it still is, since AJ isn't providing Luck with much insurance.

The reason Luck gets sacked is because he cannot beat the blitz..never could...due to his choices of where to throw and the lack of shorter routes in the O to give him options. That's why Venturi said the Colts are changing up the O after Luck gets back, so he doesn't have to have a TE AND a RB in pass protection...both.

The reason the TE and RB stay in to block is to give the WRs time to run their long routes. Since the Colts don't use many short routes to the TEs and RBs, the opposing defense just sends the would-be cover guys in to pass rush on obvious passing downs....causing a 5 to 6 man pass rush......which relegates our would be receiving TEs and RBs into being pass blockers.

I don't see Luck getting pressured with only a four man rush very often, especially so quickly that he couldn't dump it off to a TE or RB if there was even one in the flat. Now that would be a poor Oline.

[deedub75]

The team was practicing screen passes?

Are you sure it was a Colts practice?

 

That's probably the only passes Luck can throw now.......

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Drafting a rookie OT or G in the first round this year would not have prevented sacks against the Bills and the Jets. Having a rookie start the first two games of the season would probably have made it even worse.

You don't draft for immediate need, you draft BPA within reason. When a 4.27 WR with route and hands comes along about every 5th year, and since a player like that NEVER falls to the 29th pick, you take him even if you don't need him immediately. However, since the Colts needed a third WR, it was also an immediate need.

The reason Luck gets sacked is because he cannot beat the blitz..never could...due to his choices of where to throw and the lack of shorter routes in the O to give him options. That's why Venturi said the Colts are changing up the O after Luck gets back, so he doesn't have to have a TE AND a RB in pass protection...both.

The reason the TE and RB stay in to block is to give the WRs time to run their long routes. Since the Colts don't use many short routes to the TEs and RBs, the opposing defense just sends the would-be cover guys in to pass rush.......which relegates our would be receiving TEs and RBs into being pass blockers.

 

Not true. Tackle and Guard has consistently been one of the positions in the NFL where a rookie can step in and actually achieve a level of success. And with the level that Louis and Thornton have played at since their tenure here, a 1st or 2nd round rookie may have actually faired better.

 

If you really think WR was an immediate need, I suggest you stop drinking the Grigson Kool-Aid. Moncrief, Hilton and Johnson were on paper the team's best three WR's so Dorsett was more of a luxury pick than it was a necessity.

 

Actually, Luck performed the best against the blitz last season so you're wrong on that: https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2015/05/21/qbs-in-focus-against-the-blitz/

 

I agree the offense needs to change but the change is necessary because the offensive line clearly cannot give Luck the amount of time he needs to complete those long-developing plays down the field.

[crazycolt1]

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Well there's a whole lot of hearsay going on. And yes, if Grigson did hire Pep and force him on Pag also forcing Pag to make personnel changes then dude needs to GO!

You can take whatever said by a media hound and choose to believe it or not. It makes no difference what you, me or anyone else thinks it is Irsay's call. IMO Irsay is not going to make any changes till this season is played out. He is not going to pull the trigger on a GM or head coach that went three 11-5 seasons in a row in mid season. Just because you are upset with what the Colts have or haven't been doing calling for someone to be fired at this point of the season is not facing reality.

[crazycolt1]

Not true. Tackle and Guard has consistently been one of the positions in the NFL where a rookie can step in and actually achieve a level of success. And with the level that Louis and Thornton have played at since their tenure here, a 1st or 2nd round rookie may have actually faired better.

 

If you really think WR was an immediate need, I suggest you stop drinking the Grigson Kool-Aid. Moncrief, Hilton and Johnson were on paper the team's best three WR's so Dorsett was more of a luxury pick than it was a necessity.

 

Actually, Luck performed the best against the blitz last season so you're wrong on that: https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2015/05/21/qbs-in-focus-against-the-blitz/

 

I agree the offense needs to change but the change is necessary because the offensive line clearly cannot give Luck the amount of time he needs to complete those long-developing plays down the field.

The Colts can win without the long-developing plays down the field. This is not Madden. There are more than a couple of teams in the NFL that have a lot of success without throwing the long ball. What are the average yardage of Manning and Brady's passes? Those two teams are undefeated at this point. Both those QBs have learned to take what the defenses give them and not force or call plays their team is not good at.

[DougDew]

Not true. Tackle and Guard has consistently been one of the positions in the NFL where a rookie can step in and actually achieve a level of success. And with the level that Louis and Thornton have played at since their tenure here, a 1st or 2nd round rookie may have actually faired better.

 

If you really think WR was an immediate need, I suggest you stop drinking the Grigson Kool-Aid. Moncrief, Hilton and Johnson were on paper the team's best three WR's so Dorsett was more of a luxury pick than it was a necessity.

 

Actually, Luck performed the best against the blitz last season so you're wrong on that: https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2015/05/21/qbs-in-focus-against-the-blitz/

 

I agree the offense needs to change but the change is necessary because the offensive line clearly cannot give Luck the amount of time he needs to complete those long-developing plays down the field.

What C or G was worth the 29th pick last spring? That has played well so far.

Moncrief was an unknown. AJ was an unknown..despite what some say. He was being replaced in Houston for a reason.

Stats are used in situations where the analyzer is too far removed from the facts that underpin the datapoint. Essentially, they are used to form a conclusion when you have poor information by which to form a conclusion but want to form one anyway.

How were those stats compiled? Is it yards completed per attempt...I bet he ranks high. Did they include first downs by running..I bet he ranks high. Did the Ds constantly attack Cherilous' bum knee last year and the protection slid in preparation, giving Luck a split second to complete a pass? Did Wayne get open the first half of the year more than AJ? Did Allen make some great catches?

The Colts scored more points in the past with olines worse than this one. What has changed?

Answer: A healthy Reggie Wayne has never been replaced.

[DougDew]

The Colts can win without the long-developing plays down the field. This is not Madden. There are more than a couple of teams in the NFL that have a lot of success without throwing the long ball. What are the average yardage of Manning and Brady's passes? Those two teams are undefeated at this point. Both those QBs have learned to take what the defenses give them and not force or call plays their team is not good at.

I've never seen Julian Edelman run a 15 yard out...and I'm not even talking blitz situations.

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What C or G was worth the 29th pick last spring? That has played well so far.

Moncrief was an unknown. AJ was an unknown..despite what some say. He was being replaced in Houston for a reason.

Stats are for people who can't analyze something for themselves and are too far removed from the situation being analyzed. They are used to form a conclusion when you have poor information by which to form a conclusion but want to form one anyway.

How were those stats compiled? Is it yards completed per attempt...I bet he ranks high. Did they include first downs by running..I bet he ranks high. Did the Ds constantly attack Cherilous' bum knee last year and the protection slid in preparation, giving Luck a split second to complete a pass? Did Wayne get open the first half of the year more than AJ? Did Allen make some great catches?

 

You keep pointing to last year like the Colts haven't had a first or second pick every year since 2012 except for when Grigson had a brain fart and traded a first rounder for Trent Richardson. I don't care to argue semantics on who the Colts should've taken. I'm sure there have been plenty of offensive linemen that are graded at 1st or 2nd round talent over the past 4 years that the Colts could've gotten.

 

And a rookie Dorsett who had never taken a snap in the NFL wasn't an unknown either? You can't have it both ways.

 

Your reasoning on stats is laughable at best. If you want to understand how PFF grades how QB's have done against the blitz, do a little research yourself and learn about their grading system. I'm not going to explain it to you.

[Restored]

The Colts can win without the long-developing plays down the field. This is not Madden. There are more than a couple of teams in the NFL that have a lot of success without throwing the long ball. What are the average yardage of Manning and Brady's passes? Those two teams are undefeated at this point. Both those QBs have learned to take what the defenses give them and not force or call plays their team is not good at.

 

If you read the bottom of my post, I clearly said that the Colts need to change their offensive approach because the long-developing plays down the field clearly aren't having success. Keep trying to troll though.

[Spider2-Y-Banana]

You can imply perceived value all you want but there is a reason why Grigson's best offensive lineman came in the first two rounds of the draft with Mewhort. Usually, better players come in earlier rounds of the draft. Grigson could've easily spent his first rounder this year on either a guard or tackle that would be way more suited to the team's needs instead of drafting a WR.

 

You get what you pay for most of the time and Grigson rolled the dice in hoping that a 3rd and 4th round pick would solidify the offensive line. It clearly didn't work.

 

I want him gone because he's clearly failed to FIX a problem that's been the most glaring on this team since he's taken over it. How many times have we heard Grigson say "it starts in the trenches"? Only to be let down each and every season when Luck takes the most hits and sacks. It's time for a change.

I disagree.  What center or guard was there at pick 29 that was worthy of a 1st round pick?  In fact the first G/C taken was a guy named Mitch Morse by KC at pick #49.  Are you saying we should have used our 1st round pick on a guy that went 49th?

[indy1888]

i dont either

 

Yes the guy is reliable.  He's a sports news reporter from Indy who has no history of just making crap up.  If he puts it out there, he heard it from someone very solid.  Not only that, the same report was confirmed by Ian Rappaport last night, who is a national reporter.  Local guy Bob Kravitz also got it confirmed this morning.  If you are waiting for the Colts to confirm anything other then a sore shoulder, you may be waiting a while.

[DougDew]

You keep pointing to last year like the Colts haven't had a first or second pick every year since 2012 except for when Grigson had a brain fart and traded a first rounder for Trent Richardson. I don't care to argue semantics on who the Colts should've taken. I'm sure there have been plenty of offensive linemen that are graded at 1st or 2nd round talent over the past 4 years that the Colts could've gotten.

 

And a rookie Dorsett who had never taken a snap in the NFL wasn't an unknown either? You can't have it both ways.

 

Your reasoning on stats is laughable at best. If you want to understand how PFF grades how QB's have done against the blitz, do a little research yourself and learn about their grading system. I'm not going to explain it to you.

What does "done against the blitz" mean? I'm talking about getting 9 yards on a 3rd and 8 via the pass to someone other than a HOF-ish WR. If Reggie was there to bail him out...by having a 20 foot wide catch radius...then I'm not going to give Luck a whole lot of credit relative to other QBs on the list. A lot of QBs would have higher stats if they had a HOF-ish WR to throw to...Tanneyhill comes to mind.

PFF stats are worthless unless you know the facts that underpin the datapoints..in which case, you wouldn't need the datapoints if you had the facts.

Edit: After reading the article closer, its what I figured. PFF used the number of TDs scored against the blitz as defense of Luck. Exactly. Luck goes for the juggler against the blitz. Scores more TDs against the blitz than any other QB, because he likely tries to throw more TDs against the blitz than any other QB.

Grigs traded for TRich because his owner wanted a Pittsburgh Steeler/ San Diego type of power running game (and a big fatty 34 defense like those teams had). Irsay admired those teams that constantly beat us. Of course, Pitt had Bettis and SD had Tomlinson, so we needed an equivalent.

Edit: back to my original quote. Grigs gave 1st round money to an OT this offseason, used a 2nd last offseason, and a 3rd and a 4th the offseaon before that. Not to mention a bunch of FA money. Before that, he used his 2nd and 3rd on a TE. The real criticismm should be for using a 3rd on a 2nd TE, Allen, instead of a G...but I doubt many would criticize that pick.

[crazycolt1]

If you read the bottom of my post, I clearly said that the Colts need to change their offensive approach because the long-developing plays down the field clearly aren't having success. Keep trying to troll though.

Troll? Really? Am I the one who insist the sky is falling with every comment? And by the way, that is not what you said. You said a change is necessary to give Luck the time for long-developing passes. Those are your words. Also, it's easy for you to use hind sight to judge.

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What does "done against the blitz" mean? I'm talking about getting 9 yards on a 3rd and 8 via the pass to someone other than a HOF-ish WR. If Reggie was there to bail him out...by having a 20 foot wide catch radius...then I'm not going to give Luck a whole lot of credit relative to other QBs on the list. A lot of QBs would have higher stats if they had a HOF-ish WR to throw to...Tanneyhill comes to mind.

PFF stats are worthless unless you know the facts that underpin the datapoints..in which case, you wouldn't need the datapoints if you had the facts.

Grigs traded for TRich because his owner wanted a Pittsburgh Steeler/ San Diego type of power running game (and a big fatty 34 defense like those teams had). Irsay admired those teams that constantly beat us. Of course, Pitt had Bettis and SD had Tomlinson, so we needed an equivalent.

Edit: back to my original quote. Grigs gave 1st round money to an OT this offseason, used a 2nd last offseason, and a 3rd and a 4th the offseaon before that. Not to mention a bunch of FA money. Before that, he used his 2nd and 3rd on a TE. The real criticismm should be for using a 3rd on Allen instead of a G...but I doubt many would criticize that pick.

 

You're making excuses for Luck's success by praising the talent around him yet give no fault for when the talent in charge of protecting him is failing. You keep trying to have it both ways and it's not working. If you don't want to acknowledge Luck's clearly visible success against the blitz last year with stats to back it up, then believe what you want. The sun doesn't cease to exist because you don't believe it's there.

 

Where did Grigson say that he wanted to trade for Richardson because Irsay wanted a Steeler/Charger type of power running attack? I get that Grigson wanted to get a game-changing RB but many people would tell you the Colts overpaid for the perceived value of Richardson.

 

Cool, he paid a LT 1st round money because Castanzo was worth it. I'm not sure how that helps your case here considering Grigson didn't even draft him. And again, my point has been that had Grigson used some of the earlier round picks outside of 12' on offensive linemen, the Colts could have had a better offensive line to this point. And most definitely not one that is about as bad as when Grigson took over this team.

[Restored]

Troll? Really? Am I the one who insist the sky is falling with every comment? And by the way, that is not what you said. You said a change is necessary to give Luck the time for long-developing passes. Those are your words. Also, it's easy for you to use hind sight to judge.

 

" agree the offense needs to change but the change is necessary because the offensive line clearly cannot give Luck the amount of time he needs to complete those long-developing plays down the field."

 

^That's what I said.

 

I apparently have to break it down for you. I said that the offense needs to change because the offensive line is not giving Luck the time to complete the long-developing plays down the field that the offense currently calls for.

[BullsColtsFan1]

Apparently this report of a partial shoulder subluxation isn't true?

 

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/13822411/indianapolis-colts-source-denies-reports-andrew-luck-partial-subluxation-shoulder

[csmopar]

Apparently this report of a partial shoulder subluxation isn't true?

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/13822411/indianapolis-colts-source-denies-reports-andrew-luck-partial-subluxation-shoulder

Figured it was....when none of the normal insiders picked it up, that was the tell tell sign

[Spider2-Y-Banana]

Apparently this report of a partial shoulder subluxation isn't true?

 

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/13822411/indianapolis-colts-source-denies-reports-andrew-luck-partial-subluxation-shoulder

At this point who knows what is true!

[Narcosys]

Basically it sounds like a slight shoulder separation. The shoulder goes back into place, but it takes time for the muscles and tendons and everything else in the joint area to calm down.

Tough for anyone to know how long this will keep Luck out?

He could be back Thursday night.....

Or, he could be back after the bye for the Patriots game.

No way to know at this point.....

I just had this same thing happen to me. Slightly popped it out and hurt to move. Week and a half later I'm fine.

[Superman]

You can imply perceived value all you want but there is a reason why Grigson's best offensive lineman came in the first two rounds of the draft with Mewhort. Usually, better players come in earlier rounds of the draft. Grigson could've easily spent his first rounder this year on either a guard or tackle that would be way more suited to the team's needs instead of drafting a WR.

 

You get what you pay for most of the time and Grigson rolled the dice in hoping that a 3rd and 4th round pick would solidify the offensive line. It clearly didn't work.

 

I want him gone because he's clearly failed to FIX a problem that's been the most glaring on this team since he's taken over it. How many times have we heard Grigson say "it starts in the trenches"? Only to be let down each and every season when Luck takes the most hits and sacks. It's time for a change.

 

Drafting players in the third and fourth round isn't rolling the dice. It's part of building a team. Tons of third and fourth round players around the league making huge contributions.

 

Not only that, those players were picked to be a part of the future of the team, not to solidify the line right away. They are both in their third year, and they can either play or they can't. But when they were picked, there were starters in place ahead of them.

 

As of right now, Thornton and Holmes are performing adequately.

[DougDew]

You're making excuses for Luck's success by praising the talent around him yet give no fault for when the talent in charge of protecting him is failing. You keep trying to have it both ways and it's not working. If you don't want to acknowledge Luck's clearly visible success against the blitz last year with stats to back it up, then believe what you want. The sun doesn't cease to exist because you don't believe it's there.

 

Where did Grigson say that he wanted to trade for Richardson because Irsay wanted a Steeler/Charger type of power running attack? I get that Grigson wanted to get a game-changing RB but many people would tell you the Colts overpaid for the perceived value of Richardson.

 

Cool, he paid a LT 1st round money because Castanzo was worth it. I'm not sure how that helps your case here considering Grigson didn't even draft him. And again, my point has been that had Grigson used some of the earlier round picks outside of 12' on offensive linemen, the Colts could have had a better offensive line to this point. And most definitely not one that is about as bad as when Grigson took over this team.

Explain each situation where Luck "beat the blitz" last year...and in year's past. Explain them. PFF assigned a number 16.2 to Luck. What does that mean? We do know it includes TDs. How often did the Colts convert 3rd and 8 into a first down against the blitz relative to other starting QBs.

You contend that Grigs didn't address the line well enough by citing how few first round draft choices he spent. He doesn't have to use a first round pick on the oline..and would actually be stupid to do so...because LT is the ONLY...yes ONLY... oline position worthy of a 1st round pick.

IOW, being a reasonable GM, he did not have the opportunity to use a first round pick on the oline because the player that a GM would use the pick on was already here.

[DougDew]

Drafting players in the third and fourth round isn't rolling the dice. It's part of building a team. Tons of third and fourth round players around the league making huge contributions.

 

Not only that, those players were picked to be a part of the future of the team, not to solidify the line right away. They are both in their third year, and they can either play or they can't. But when they were picked, there were starters in place ahead of them.

 

As of right now, Thornton and Holmes are performing adequately.

By my count, Grigson's 2nd 3rd and 4th round draft picks are all starting.

[crazycolt1]

" agree the offense needs to change but the change is necessary because the offensive line clearly cannot give Luck the amount of time he needs to complete those long-developing plays down the field."

 

^That's what I said.

 

I apparently have to break it down for you. I said that the offense needs to change because the offensive line is not giving Luck the time to complete the long-developing plays down the field that the offense currently calls for.

Really? So this change you think is going to take effect this season? And because it wont Grigson needs to be fired? That is the jest of what you have been saying.

[AllYouNeedIsLuck]

Apparently this report of a partial shoulder subluxation isn't true?

 

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/13822411/indianapolis-colts-source-denies-reports-andrew-luck-partial-subluxation-shoulder

Thank god if true. Maybe it really is just a really bad bruise. We can live with that. Now let's get a good O-line before something does become a problem 

[NewEra]

You can take whatever said by a media hound and choose to believe it or not. It makes no difference what you, me or anyone else thinks it is Irsay's call. IMO Irsay is not going to make any changes till this season is played out. He is not going to pull the trigger on a GM or head coach that went three 11-5 seasons in a row in mid season. Just because you are upset with what the Colts have or haven't been doing calling for someone to be fired at this point of the season is not facing reality.

Stranger things have happened.

[NewEra]

Really? So this change you think is going to take effect this season? And because it wont Grigson needs to be fired? That is the jest of what you have been saying.

You know about as much as any of us what is going on behind closed doors. All we can go by is the rumors and rumblings. We can only speculate on that. Now if the rumors are true, yes he needs to be fired.

Pep should be fired regardless. He is yet to improve the offense nor to okay them to their strength. Took him 2 1/2 damn games just to get a short game going to counter the rush. He's pathetic. Play calling is so predictable it's pathetic.

[crazycolt1]

You know about as much as any of us what is going on behind closed doors. All we can go by is the rumors and rumblings. We can only speculate on that. Now if the rumors are true, yes he needs to be fired.

Pep should be fired regardless. He is yet to improve the offense nor to okay them to their strength. Took him 2 1/2 damn games just to get a short game going to counter the rush. He's pathetic. Play calling is so predictable it's pathetic.

You may correct with Pep but IMO it will not happen in season. Irsay used to think he was giving clues in his text messages but those seem to have gone away after his brush with the law.

[NewEra]

You may correct with Pep but IMO it will not happen in season. Irsay used to think he was giving clues in his text messages but those seem to have gone away after his brush with the law.

I agree, I don't think anything will happen till end of the season. I hope somehow we just magically pull it together and start clicking. I actually like the play calling against the Jags. He needs to learn to mix it up more and stop being so predictable. I really think going hurry up or no huddle would help a lot.

[DougDew]

I agree, I don't think anything will happen till end of the season. I hope somehow we just magically pull it together and start clicking. I actually like the play calling against the Jags. He needs to learn to mix it up more and stop being so predictable. I really think going hurry up or no huddle would help a lot.

For as much as everybody is trying to blame someone for something and fire them as soon as possible, I think there is a greater than 50% chance that the coaching staff changes some things on offense, resulting in the chains moving more often, and Luck taking fewer hits. I'm sure we'll all be watching for changes.

[Defjamz26]

Apparently this report of a partial shoulder subluxation isn't true?

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/13822411/indianapolis-colts-source-denies-reports-andrew-luck-partial-subluxation-shoulder

Nope. Just saw it on NFL Network. They said he's been diagnosed with it. And NFL Network is never wrong when it comes to reporting injuries. If it hits NFL Network, that usually means there's validity to it.

[GoColts8818]

At this point who knows what is true!

The Colts and Andrew Luck's doctors and they aren't going to tell people.

[Superman]

Nope. Just saw it on NFL Network. They said he's been diagnosed with it. And NFL Network is never wrong when it comes to reporting injuries. If it hits NFL Network, that usually means there's validity to it.

 

False.

[ColtRider]

Pretty sure we'll know what the actual story is Thursday night when Andrew does or does not line up behind center with the Colts 1st offensive possession.

Man, I hope I got that right.

[ColtsBlueFL]

You can imply perceived value all you want but there is a reason why Grigson's best offensive lineman came in the first two rounds of the draft with Mewhort. Usually, better players come in earlier rounds of the draft. Grigson could've easily spent his first rounder this year on either a guard or tackle that would be way more suited to the team's needs instead of drafting a WR.

 

You get what you pay for most of the time and Grigson rolled the dice in hoping that a 3rd and 4th round pick would solidify the offensive line. It clearly didn't work.

 

I want him gone because he's clearly failed to FIX a problem that's been the most glaring on this team since he's taken over it. How many times have we heard Grigson say "it starts in the trenches"? Only to be let down each and every season when Luck takes the most hits and sacks. It's time for a change.

 

Drafting O linemen in any / all rounds is a crap shoot.  I'll name some names folks here wanted badly, but knew would never fall to us-

 

Eric Fisher, Luke Joeckel, Jake Mathhews (all huge disappointments early in career)

 

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1787958-breaking-down-the-struggles-of-top-picks-luke-joeckel-and-eric-fisher

 

http://cover32.com/falcons/2014/12/18/atlanta-falcons-ol-jake-matthews-named-one-of-10-most-disappointing-rookies-of-2014/

 

John Elway gets Ty Sambrailo to develop, then Ryan Clady gets an ACL  Ty Sambrailo is not NFL caliber left tackle ready.  But is forced into the role. A large amount of teams are hurting on O line.  In fact, some teams are converting D linemen to O linemen (Seahawks for one)-

 

http://blog.thenewstribune.com/seahawks/2015/05/11/tom-cables-conversion-of-defensive-tackles-into-offensive-linemen-continues/

 

And many teams struggle to find decent O line, even when taking them in round 1 -

 

http://www.revengeofthebirds.com/2015/5/1/8528069/2015-nfl-draft-results-1st-round-offensive-linemen-have-not-worked

 

I feel the O linemen problem stems from the use of the spread in college, and lack of 'pads on' time at NFL practice due to CBA rules.  The kids coming in don't have proper technique, and not enough reps in pads to learn it in the NFL.  More specifically, teams can have 11 padded practices during the first 11 weeks of the season, with two padded practices permitted in a given week only once.  Then, for the final six weeks of the season, a total of three padded practices may be conducted.

 

This is not conducive to building a well taught and cohesive O line, especially with guys coming in from a spread offense in college that need it most.

 

And now we have Luck nicked, and many fans with a fire them all mentality.  Bill Parcels had this right-

 

“No matter how much you’ve won, no matter how many games, no matter how many championships, no matter how many Super Bowls, you’re not winning now, so you stink.”

 

and first round draft picks are no guarantee either... any position-

 

http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/story/2012-04-22/nfl-draft-2012-first-round-disappointments

 

Doing what Grigson, and Polian before him, does / did is not easy.  No matter how much you think it may be.

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The Colts and Andrew Luck's doctors and they aren't going to tell people.

 

nor Andrew Luck himself.  He would neither confirm or deny about the shoulder separation reports.  Said he's been told many things and won't discuss nor lend any credence to any of it...   Hmmmmm.....