Kravitz: "growing Disconnect Between Ryan Grigson And Chuck Pagano"

[Jdubu]

only media cares how a team wins. ask any team, it doesnt matter if you win by 1 or 100. winning is winning

That is not accurate. If a good team play a bad team and struggles because of poor game plans or poor execution or seemingly out coached by the sideline decisions and adjustment, then yes, it gets pointed out by the media but it is certainly noticed by those making decisions of who to keep or not keep.

[dgambill]

Some friction is good. They both need to feel the pressure to succeed. Pressure can do amazing things like turn coal into diamonds bring out the best in people....this team has plenty and plenty of talent to reach the elite level. Pagano and the coaches need to step up to the plate now and get to the championship and compete at a championship level. I mean look at John Fox...he had a championship caliber team but after a couple years of underperforming in big games and basically not having the team prepared or making changes to win it all he was let go. Pagano is at that point now. I don't think anything short of Luck getting hurt or reaching the AFC Championship and being competitive in that game will keep his job. There is always going to be disagrement about players etc....but I think they have a healthy working environment. Now they both need to succeed to keep their jobs because they are no longer building a team...they have a team ready to win. Time to make it happen. If not one or perhaps both will be looking for a new job.

[RockThatBlue]

I like kravitz usually but I think he's blown this way out of proportion. I'm sure they have disagreements but what gm and coach agree 100% of the time? None. Just my opinion though.

[TKnight24]

I like kravitz usually but I think he's blown this way out of proportion. I'm sure they have disagreements but what gm and coach agree 100% of the time? None. Just my opinion though.

Belicheck & Belicheck agree 100%

Kraft is just there as the visual. Beli runs that team

[John Dee]

This kind of friction happens in most situations.     Friction between the HC and the GM happens all the time.    This is NOT something new or should it be shocking to anyone.

 

Pagano's job is on the line.    Grigson has made a number of serious missteps that have prevented this team from being better.  That's on Grigson.

 

As for the getting out butt kicked by better teams -- that was last year.

 

And as far back as the year before last we beat Seattle (SB winner) Denver (SB runner-up) SF (in the '12 SB)  and playoff team Kansas City -- twice.

 

So, I think the losing to better teams issue is way overblown and very misleading.

 

Things will all play out this year.    It worked in Dallas last year.    Jones didn't extend Garrett, and Garrett led Dallas to a 12-4 season.     If we have a very good year this year,  then Pagano will be back.    If not, he'll be coaching elsewhere next year.

Yes...     I think BOTH these guys jobs are on the line.    ....      Tension on ALL sides is where all this is coming from.    Grigs and Pags both could have done better looking back.   Now all the chips are on the table.   If it goes south...    One will look to blame the other...       Welcome to the world of "expectations" .. .

[TKnight24]

Yes... I think BOTH these guys jobs are on the line. .... Tension on ALL sides is where all this is coming from. Grigs and Pags both could have done better looking back. Now all the chips are on the table. If it goes south... One will look to blame the other... Welcome to the world of "expectations" .. .

Problem with personnel: Blame the GM

Problem with performance of personnel: Blame Coaches

*Drops Mic & Walks off*

[Narcosys]

Don't know the exact accuracy of my assertion but I think some of the ongoing friction is/was caused by Pagano's loyalty to Joe Gilbert.

Pagano essentially wants his staff to be guaranteed before he commits to a new contract and that didn't happen because Grigson doesn't want to retain Joe. At this point Grigson goes around Pagano and attempts to re-sign the majority of his staff to gain leverage against him, only they are loyal to Pagano.

If true, Pagano is loyal to a fault, meaning Joe Gilbert is as pathetic a coach as TRich was a rolling ball of butcher knives.

I side with Grigson all day on this one. Fire Gilbert already.

For coaches yes, I think the GM should have a share a in the say. But when it comes to player personnel, I think the coach should have the lions share in that department.

If it's going to cost Pagano his job, I think Pagano needs to assess his position and realize that he fought his hardest to keep him. That is admirable and he shouldn't feel any further obligation unless he truly feels that much of a connection with Gilbert that he is willing to sacrifice his job, then he can do that. But it is obvious that our O-line is and had been severely flawed.

[BrentMc11]

I like kravitz usually but I think he's blown this way out of proportion. I'm sure they have disagreements but what gm and coach agree 100% of the time? None. Just my opinion though.

Just glad the   puts this article back up just before the season.  This is the Bob Kravitz that nobody likes.  Ignorant and so thought provoking.  

[PeterBowman]

Belicheck & Belicheck agree 100%

Kraft is just there as the visual. Beli runs that team

and to pay off equipment personnel

[indy1888]

ok say we cant beat the patriots. dont say we cant beat elite teams

 

He didn't say that. He said they have been trounced in several games by good teams, which is entire true.  They were crushed against the Cowboys/Patsx2/ and Steelers just last year.  The issue is not losing the game, but rather getting absolutely destroyed in those games and looking completely lost in all phases of the game. 

[ColtsFanMikeC]

If one eventually has to go, I choose Chuck. In this division, with this QB and receiving options, practically any top flight coach could step in and win 12 games. Yet every year, it seems to take Chuck and Pep a few losses to be forced into using them properly. You've spent all of this money on TY and Johnson, all of these high draft picks on WRs and TEs, yet I fear Chuck will once again head to Buffalo and try to grind out the game, playing right into Rex's hands.

When you win the lottery and land a QB like Luck or Rodgers, you don't play like the Jets or Bills.

 

We're not playing anything like the Jets or the Bills.  We were hands down the worst team in the NFL the year before Pagano and Grigs came on board.  Pep and Chuck have been at this thing for 2 years together -- Arians was the OC/head coach in Chuck's first year so I'm really not sure how you can say 'every year' like it's been on going. 

 

They have had a bad line that has battled through a lot of injuries.  This looks to be the first year that we have a decent stable of RBs.  This also looks like the first year where we have a very good WR corps -- year 1 we had a great Reggie Wayne then rookies in TY, Fleener, Allen, and Donnie Avery. 

 

We completely changed the defensive scheme and didn't have the players to support it (Mathis turned into a very good 3-4 rush LB, and Vontae was a pretty good CB for us for 10 games -- otherwise we had an average player in Redding and not a whole lot else on that defense in year 1 ... same in year 2, we had a great Mathis and a very good Vontae, then a bunch of average or below average players .. last year our defense was at its best even though we lost Mathis, Manusky started getting creative with blitz packages, we had an average DL which IMO was below average after Art Jones got hurt, a solid run-stuffer in D'Qwell, a stud in Vontae, good S play from Adams, generally good DB play from Butler and Toler, and a bunch of average or below average players .... this year, if healthy, we look to have the best D by far since Pagano has been here, especially with potentially improved play from our young guys like Kerr, Newsome, Hughes, an exciting rookie class and skilled vet additions in Lowery, Langford, Cole, and potentially Irving).

 

Sure, we got lucky in landing Andrew Luck.  That said, our team was still terrible and greatly over performed in Chuck's first  2 seasons.  We were 2-14, the laughing stock of the league, and Polian left nothing for these new coaches, especially since they were changing their systems.

 

Last year, I thought, Pep (and Pagano) showed major improvements with their offensive play calling (perhaps in part due to the addition of Chud).  However, we had no real running backs, a banged up OL, and a banged up Reggie Wayne who obviously wasn't himself the rest of the year after hurting his elbow.

 

You are right, we should show improvements this year with obvious improvements on both offense and defense.  You are way off in saying we played like the Jets or the Bills since Pagano's been here, though and I think you are forgetting how terrible we were prior to his arrival.

 

From tying the game? Steelers beat the brakes off us. Big Ben has his best game ever. It's not about the scoreboard it's about the performance we show when we play top teams. We look unprepared everytime

It matters cause those are the teams you have to beat to win the super bowl, not the Jags or Titans. They don't matter in January

 

We actually were a score away from tying that Steeler's game, though they did certainly hand it to us for most of the game.

 

The Steelers and the Pats have had very good teams with veteran QBs leading them for a long time now.  The Broncos built a powerhouse and Manning (except after his injury late last year) was still arguably the greatest QB in football.

 

In year 1, we lost to eventual super bowl champion Ravens in the post season, in year 2 we had several major regular season wins (eventual AFC champ Broncos, eventual super bowl champ Seattle, NFC finalist 49ers), had a win in the playoffs and then lost to a tough NE team.  Last year, we won 2 games in the playoffs and lost to eventual super bowl champion NE.

 

You are right, we've had some bad losses, but almost every team has them.  For example, last year's super bowl champ NE got beaten pretty bad by the Dolphins and they were also pounded by the Chiefs, and they also lost to the lowly Bills.  Last year the Broncos got destroyed by NE in the regular season and took pretty bad beatings from St. Louis and Cincinatti. 

 

We simply were not a better team than New England last year.  That doesn't make the blow out losses to them any easier, but our players had a lot to do in the playoff loss.  We started 3 and out, held them and then Cribbs muffs a punt to put them in scoring position which they took advantage of.  Next drive, we miss a field goal which lead to a Pats TD.  It was 17-7 going into halftime, we left 3 points on the board and gave them 7 (or 14 if you want to look at the missed FG as a turnover).  In the 2nd half they came out and scored early, then we throw a pick which they got 7 more points from.  We throw another pick later in the half.

 

In all, we gave them between 14-21 points that game (definitely 14 from Cribbs' muff and Luck's INT, arguably 21 from Vinatieri's missed FG).  We missed a FG and threw an INT inside their 40  -- say we left 10 points on the board from our own players making mistakes and gave them 21 from our own mistakes, it could have easily been a much closer game.  New England did a good job taking TY out, which I think can be done by numerous teams when he doesn't have a legit #1/#2 WR on the field with him (Reggie being worthless this game didn't help), and New England ran all over us, although we limited their passing attack.  The Patriots are that good, if you look at their 2 other post-season wins teams took away their run but they got destroyed through the air, we took away their pass and got beaten by the run.  Fact of the matter is, to beat Bellichek and NE in the playoffs, you have to rely on your players to play mistake free football -- muffing a punt after holding them on their first drive, then coming back to miss a FG, and later throwing a pick in our own zone, did not help -- those plays aren't on Pagano.  Luck also had his worst game of the year that game -- 12 for 33 for 126 yards and a 23 QBR -- he could have probably been put into some better situations, but he could have also played better.

 

I will say Bellichek outcoached Pagano in that game, but the fact that our players made multiple critical mistakes did not help our cause in the least.  Not for nothing, but Bellichek has been outcoaching every coach in the NFL for years now, so I can't fault Pagano for that game too much.

 

Disagreements over personnel are normal. Every team has that issue between the coach and the GM, except the Patriots, where one man does both jobs with near total autonomy. In 2011, there were reports that Pete Carroll and John Schneider were at odds with each other. There have been various reports that Mike McCarthy and Ted Thompson have issues.

 

If there is any real issue with Pagano and the people he answers to, I don't think it's about personnel or staffing decisions. Those could be auxiliary issues, but not the real problem.

 

To me, it's really simple. Pagano has been the coach for three seasons. In his first year, he wasn't really around for three months, and another coach -- who was all but retired before coming to Indy -- did his job, while the team went 9-3. Since then, the team has shown some bright spots, but hasn't taken that next step to being a truly elite team. Either inconsistency against weaker opponents (2013) or inability to hang with better opponents (2014), plus some bad losses that are partly due to substandard coaching (Patriots, last three matchups)... those are significant issues that Pagano's Colts have had. And they're mostly about coaching.

 

That's not to say that there have been no personnel issues, but if you can beat Seattle, Denver and San Francisco, why are you getting blown out by the Rams, Cardinals and Bengals? 

 

So the question remains: Is Pagano the right coach to lead a championship contending team? I don't think we know the answer to that, yet. We really only have two years plus an incomplete year from him. They offered him a one year extension so he's not a lame duck, and he turned it down. Probably means he wants to be paid like a top tier coach, and he hasn't proven that he is. Yet. So why would they pay him like one?

 

http://coacheshotseat.com/NFLCoachesSalaries.htm

 

He's making $500K less than Jason Garrett, who just got a new deal after a strong season. He's making more than Marvin Lewis, and retreads like Rex Ryan, Lovie Smith, Ken Whisenhunt, John Fox, etc., some of whom have gone to the Super Bowl. He's not being paid like a first time head coach with one year of coordinator experience. So I'm fine with them not jumping at the idea of bumping him up into the Mike McCarthy/Mike Tomlin range, or higher, until he PROVES that he belongs.

 

I think that's the only issue. He wants to be paid like a top ten head coach, and they're not ready to make that commitment. I think all this 'disconnect between Pagano and Grigson' thing is a bunch of stuff, insofar as I don't think they have any issues that don't exist between your typical head coach and GM. 

 

And by the way, I think these same questions exist with Ryan Grigson. Both men need to prove that they are the right leaders for this team to contend every year, and not just that they were in the right place at the right time to help the Colts turn around quickly with a once in a generation QB. Only time will tell.

 

I agree -- we simply do NOT know if Pagano is going to be a great coach or not.  It is hard to credit him for year 1, and he has taken the team 1 round further in the playoffs in year 2 and 3.  He hasn't had a perfect personnel situation (whether due to injury ala Wayne, A. Jones, the O-Line, suspension/injury ala Mathis, or a player not turning out ala T-Rich, Landry, Werner), but it is extremely rare for a coach in the league to have that.

 

Pagano and Grigs, IMO, both deserve a lot of credit for taking us from 2-14 to 3 consecutive double digit winning seasons. Part of this credit has to go to Luck, too.  Luck is in year 4, which is a year where (IMO) he can no longer be considered a 'young' QB (by that, I mean, he no longer has the excuse of inexperience if he makes a bone head play) and this (at least on paper) is definitely the most talented team he has ever had around him.  IMO, this is the best D (by far) that Pagano has had (which makes sense, given that our whole team sucked before he took over and our strategy was to build the O around Andrew before addressing the D) -- Pagano is a defensive coach, so hopefully we see big improvements from the D this year -- if not (barring any more major injuries), I think Pagano deserves to take a lot of blame.  We should also see a lot of improvement from the O, if not Pagano should take a lot of blame. 

 

IMO, if we show we are more consistent this year, cut down on mental mistakes, and win a game or 2 in the playoffs, Pagano should keep his job.  I don't think this should be SuperBowl or Bust for him, especially if we lose a tough one in the post-season (there are a lot of very good teams in the NFL -- on paper we have what should be an above average defense, what I'd consider the top skill set offense with a somewhat suspect O-Line, and very good specialists.  I think it will be crucial to win in the regular season, as we have a much better shot playing under a roof in Indy come Jan/Feb than we do travelling to Denver/NE/Pitts/etc. where we may be forced to rely on our lines to beat their lines.

 

One thing, I'll say in closing, that has stuck out about Pagano to me is this -- only 1 time since he has been here has this team lost 2 games in a row (and, IMO, we should have won that Eagles game in week 2 last year had Andrew not made a very bone headed play when we had the lead at the end).  I still have faith that he can be our guy, but as SM says, time will tell on both he and Grigs.

[DougDew]

I don't know if Kravitz is stirring the pot with nothing or if there is some friction.

 

But...

 

The Colts have lost very badly to elite teams during the Pagano era...by a wide score...yet I can't think of one time the Colts trounced a very good team.  Their wins have all been close.  Maybe Cincinnati last year was the one good team that the Colts dominated.

[12dalegend]

Kravitz is a pot stirrer. I don't know how much faith I put in what he says anymore.

More like Crevice 

[theanarchist]

A great way to start the season......

[ColtsFanMikeC]

Look at the games we lost in we look not prepared at all. We have a very good receiving core and the coach wants to run the ball when we cant run.

We have not had a very good receiving corps since Pagano has been coach.

 

Year 1 he had a very good player in Wayne, an above average rookie in TY, rookies in Allen and Fleener, and Donnie Avery -- that is far from a very good WR corps.

Year 2 he had a very good player in Wayne who got injured less than 1/2 way through the season, an improved TY, an injured Allen for 15.5 weeks, a hit or miss Fleeener and an awful Darrius Heyward-Bey -- again far from very good.With Wayne and Allen both out, it was actually a pretty poor WR corps.

Year 3 he had a very good player in TY, a very good player in Wayne for about 1/2 a season again when Wayne got hurt versus Cincy and never looked the same, an Allen on the mend, a more hit than miss Fleener, a below average Hakeem Nicks and a player started showing flashes of being pretty good in Moncrief.  Again, a not very good receiving group after Wayne's injury.  Luck's numbers clearly reflect that.

 

This is the first year (on paper) where I'd say our receiving group is VERY good.  And we finally have a RB who is very good.  We should, IMO, see big strides from Chuck and Pep this season.

 

He didn't say that. He said they have been trounced in several games by good teams, which is entire true.  They were crushed against the Cowboys/Patsx2/ and Steelers just last year.  The issue is not losing the game, but rather getting absolutely destroyed in those games and looking completely lost in all phases of the game. 

 

Seattle is the only elite team in the past 2 years who hasn't gotten 'blown out' by anyone in Regular or post season.  New England last year opened up getting beaten by 2 TDs to Miami then a couple weeks later lost 41-14 to KC, then lost to lowly Buffalo at the end of the year.  Denver lost 43-21 to NE last year and then got handled 22-7 by St. Louis a few weeks later.  Green Bay lost 44-23 to New Orleans and 36-16 to Seattle last year.  Dallas got rolled by the Eagles pretty handily last year...... every team has a couple of bad weeks every year.  We were far from healthy against Cowboys, and we were in a 1 score game with Pittsburgh in the 4th quarter.  It happens.  Hopefully it just stops happening around here.

[Superman]

He didn't say that. He said they have been trounced in several games by good teams, which is entire true.  They were crushed against the Cowboys/Patsx2/ and Steelers just last year.  The issue is not losing the game, but rather getting absolutely destroyed in those games and looking completely lost in all phases of the game. 

 

Even that's overblowing the issue, IMO. In 2013, we beat those good teams. To me, it's the overall lack of consistency and growth, which is big picture. But it's really illustrated in the Pats matchups over the last three games. They've found two different wants to beat us on the ground, and we were unable to counter either of them. Then they stretched us out across the middle. Just toyed with us. Irsay said it very plainly, they outcoached us.

[bababooey]

the whole we cant beat elite teams is a joke. besides the cowboys(who we wont play again for another 4 years) and the patriots, who has beaten us? the steelers? we were one thornton stepping on luck's foot drive away from tying the game. we've beaten the ravens, bengals, chiefs, broncos twice and almost came back to beat them a third time, seahawks, packers, lions, and 49ers.

People forget we beat Green Bay a year removed as SB champs and us four games into a 2-14 season. Plus we beat 3 of the final four teams (Seattle, SF, Denver) from two years ago. We just lose our bearings when we have injuries like Reggie, Dwayne, Ahmad...

[TKnight24]

and to pay off equipment personnel

[bababooey]

The Colts are going to have a fallout much like the Indiana Pacers.

The Colts have always been better as the underdog.

Can we get one underdog playoff run like the Giants have knocked off a couple of lately?

[Grigs build the lines plz.]

Pagano definitely needs to make better decisions and be a little more 

fiery with his mentality instead of being a pushover, but Grigs isn't helping

him out much by signing FA guys with an injury history, and screwing Pags

by having to play with a patchwork roster after Grig's cripple signings sit on

the sideline.

 

Both are to blame IMO.

[Grigs build the lines plz.]

Even that's overblowing the issue, IMO. In 2013, we beat those good teams. To me, it's the overall lack of consistency and growth, which is big picture. But it's really illustrated in the Pats matchups over the last three games. They've found two different wants to beat us on the ground, and we were unable to counter either of them. Then they stretched us out across the middle. Just toyed with us. Irsay said it very plainly, they outcoached us.

We lose to the Pats in the trenches, how else does a third string RB run for 200 yds?

Being out coached made it even worse.

[Smurphy1]

Problem with personnel: Blame the GM

Problem with performance of personnel: Blame Coaches

*Drops Mic & Walks off*

 

If a player is not playing well how can you tell the difference between poor performance or him just sucking.

[bababooey]

 

 

One thing, I'll say in closing, that has stuck out about Pagano to me is this -- only 1 time since he has been here has this team lost 2 games in a row (and, IMO, we should have won that Eagles game in week 2 last year had Andrew not made a very bone headed play when we had the lead at the end).  I still have faith that he can be our guy, but as SM says, time will tell on both he and Grigs.

 

TY was thrown down on that Luck pick, should have been interference easily. Then Landry gets called for a horse collar that was clearly a jersey tackle. Zebras definitely lost us that game.

Edited September 1, 2015 by 21isSuperman

[Superman]

I don't know if Kravitz is stirring the pot with nothing or if there is some friction.

 

But...

 

The Colts have lost very badly to elite teams during the Pagano era...by a wide score...yet I can't think of one time the Colts trounced a very good team.  Their wins have all been close.  Maybe Cincinnati last year was the one good team that the Colts dominated.

 

That's not surprising to me. We were supposed to be picking at the top of the draft in 2013, and maybe be able to compete for a playoff spot in Year 2. Expectations weren't supposed to be very high until Year 3, at best. This program is a year or two ahead of schedule, but the roster isn't really as strong as you would think it would be, given the number of wins and the playoff success.

 

The good about that is obvious. But there's a very real downside, also. For instance, we only got to draft high for one year, and we had to take a QB that year. Then Grigson went into "win now" mode, and took some risks that cost us draft picks. 

 

Anyway, my point is just that we're still just entering Year 4 of a total rebuild. I think expectations have been a little higher than they really should have been.

[Superman]

We lose to the Pats in the trenches, how else does a third string RB run for 200 yds?

Being out coached made it even worse.

 

The Pats are only one team.

 

Some of you should charge them rent for the space they occupy in your heads.

[Superman]

If a player is not playing well how can you tell the difference between poor performance or him just sucking.

 

Simple: If he has a bad game, he should be benched, if not cut. Immediately.

 

/sarcasm

[Smurphy1]

I don't know if Kravitz is stirring the pot with nothing or if there is some friction.

 

But...

 

The Colts have lost very badly to elite teams during the Pagano era...by a wide score...yet I can't think of one time the Colts trounced a very good team.  Their wins have all been close.  Maybe Cincinnati last year was the one good team that the Colts dominated.

 

SF in 2013? Denver in the playoffs? Maybe even Seattle in 2013. The score difference wasn't as huge but those were some pretty thorough beat downs.

[Grigs build the lines plz.]

The Pats are only one team.

 

Some of you should charge them rent for the space they occupy in your heads.

20 plus point losses in the last three games will do that, hoping for a different

outcome this year.

[Superman]

SF in 2013? Denver in the playoffs? Maybe even Seattle in 2013. The score difference wasn't as huge but those were some pretty thorough beat downs.

 

I think SF qualifies. 20 points, on the road, and we were in control for most of the game. Not so much Denver or Seattle.

[NewColtsFan]

I don't know if Kravitz is stirring the pot with nothing or if there is some friction.

 

But...

 

The Colts have lost very badly to elite teams during the Pagano era...by a wide score...yet I can't think of one time the Colts trounced a very good team.  Their wins have all been close.  Maybe Cincinnati last year was the one good team that the Colts dominated.

 

So, if I understand correctly,  the new argument is now this.........

 

Yes,  we're beating very good teams,  but we're not beating them by enough!

 

Is that about it?

 

Dear God,  help me!     What are the magic words to make this nonsense STOP!?!       

 

 

#SpoiledRottenFans

[CR91]

He didn't say that. He said they have been trounced in several games by good teams, which is entire true.  They were crushed against the Cowboys/Patsx2/ and Steelers just last year.  The issue is not losing the game, but rather getting absolutely destroyed in those games and looking completely lost in all phases of the game. 

 

go back and read my first comment

[CR91]

That is not accurate. If a good team play a bad team and struggles because of poor game plans or poor execution or seemingly out coached by the sideline decisions and adjustment, then yes, it gets pointed out by the media but it is certainly noticed by those making decisions of who to keep or not keep.

 

chiefs lost to the titans last year. were they a bad team?

[bababooey]

The Pats are only one team.

 

Some of you should charge them rent for the space they occupy in your heads.

Kind of warranted when it's the only team we need to get past to reach our goal and we can't lose by less than three TDs but the lowly Jets could lose to them twice by a combined FG last year and can't score against anyone else...

[bababooey]

chiefs lost to the titans last year. were they a bad team?

They didn't have a single receiving TD last year so maybe the Titans shut down their one dimensional game plan like the Pats shut down ours.

[GoColts8818]

There is a lot of smoke here for their not to be fire. For whatever reason there seems to be friction between the low. Normally if their is friction it's the person further down the chain that goes. In this case that's Pagano.

[CanuckColt]

This story wont go away. I wonder if it has something to do with the Dorsett pick.

Yeah...hindsight is 20/20, but with the resigning of TY and the good play of Carter, the Dorsett pick looks like a luxury future pick rather than a solid pick who could help the team THIS YEAR...and now we need to get rid of a good backup WR (Griff) because of this little prima donna from the U.

I know we are all supposed to like the Dosett pick like good little Colts fans, but I still don't care for it...I would have preferred a starter on D at any position.

[LockeDown]

Our problem is we have twice drafted superstar QBs back to back.  The GMs (Polian and Grigson) are all but forced to surround them with offensive stars, thus the defense suffers.  We end up losing tough playoff games because we don't have the defense to help us out.  That's our problem.  Irsay wants us to be like the old Pats dynasty, but we are looking like the typical Colts teams instead.   The only difference is that Grigson is using FA to help more.

[NewColtsFan]

Yeah...hindsight is 20/20, but with the resigning of TY and the good play of Carter, the Dorsett pick looks like a luxury future pick rather than a solid pick who could help the team THIS YEAR...and now we need to get rid of a good backup WR (Griff) because of this little prima donna from the U.

I know we are all supposed to like the Dosett pick like good little Colts fans, but I still don't care for it...I would have preferred a starter on D at any position.

 

 

When in the world did Phillip Dorsett become a prima donna?!?     What did he do to deserve that shot by you?

 

Do you even know what a prima donna is?!?

[Superman]

Our problem is we have twice drafted superstar QBs back to back. 

 

That's not a problem.

[achcolts]

what if rob chud takes over lol i wouldnt mind actually. i feel likes hes definitely here to take pep or paganos spot after this season