Kirk Cousins Starting For The Redskins [Merge]

[jvan1973]

So was that Rodgers guy for what, five years?

3 years, sitting behind a 1st ballot hall of famer

[Qwiz]

So if a player doesn't do well for one team, gets traded, and becomes a Hall of Famer, then he is still a bust. I guess Brett Favre among others is a bust as well.

[Qwiz]

3 years, sitting behind a 1st ballot hall of famer

Sam Bradford isn't exactly a terrible player either. You can't start two quarterbacks. Either way, Rodgers is still a first round pick who was on the bench.

[jvan1973]

Huh? We have different definitions I think for bust. Bust means you are out of football IMO.

And his career is not over. He could be the starter for the Eagles down the road or another team.

Then your definition of bust is wrong. He was a 5 th overall pick. He is on his second team sitting behind a guy with huge question marks.

[jvan1973]

Sam Bradford isn't exactly a terrible player either. You can't start two quarterbacks. Either way, Rodgers is still a first round pick who was on the bench.

If they thought sanchez could take them to a superbowl, they wouldn't have traded for bradford

[amfootball]

Then your definition of bust is wrong. He was a 5 th overall pick. He is on his second team sitting behind a guy with huge question marks.

Again his career is not over. Took Kurt Warner a few teams and years before he became great ...

[jvan1973]

So if a player doesn't do well for one team, gets traded, and becomes a Hall of Famer, then he is still a bust. I guess Brett Favre among others is a bust as well.

Favre was a second round pick who threw 5 passes for atlanta. The Packers gave the falcons a 1st round pick to get him. Not even close to either of the situations being discussed here

[dw49]

Huh? We have different definitions I think for bust. Bust means you are out of football IMO.

 

His career is not over. He could be the starter for the Eagles down the road or another team.

 

 

Who ever said his career was over ? He is now a 2nd string QB on a team that has a very QB favorable offense. He was playing in pressure packed NYC on an offense where the help they brought in for him constantly disappointed. Ahhh.. I see the problem here.. I just noticed you are now qualifying that a "bust" cannot be in the league. That's ridiculous.  A bust is a player that a team heavily invests in and he disappoints in a big way. 

 

Example ... Tony Mandarich was taken 2nd overall. Was considered a bust after his 2nd year . 

[jvan1973]

Again his career is not over. Took Kurt Warner a few teams and years before he became great ...

Kurt warner was undrafted. Undrafted players can't be busts

[Qwiz]

If they thought sanchez could take them to a superbowl, they wouldn't have traded for bradford

Sam Bradford isn't the type who finishes seasons. Chip Kelly made a lot of trades this offseason, the man has a plan. Doesn't mean he's given up on Sanchez otherwise he wouldn't be there either.

[ReMeDy]

It seems like, lately, anyone who wins the Heisman in college is cursed into having a bad NFL career. Look at Tim Tebow, RGIII, Manziel is kinda up in the air, Sam Bradford was injury prone... We'll see what happens with Marcus Mariota and Jameis Winston.

 

Funny coincidence is the runner-ups to the Heisman seem to do better than the Heisman, like Andrew Luck. It's like that chip on their shoulders drive them to succeed.

[Qwiz]

Favre was a second round pick who threw 5 passes for atlanta. The Packers gave the falcons a 1st round pick to get him. Not even close to either of the situations being discussed here

It's the same bass ackwards logic though.

[amfootball]

Who ever said his career was over ? He is now a 2nd string QB on a team that has a very QB favorable offense. He was playing in pressure packed NYC on an offense where the help they brought in for him constantly disappointed. Ahhh.. I see the problem here.. I just noticed you are now qualifying that a "bust" cannot be in the league. That's ridiculous.  A bust is a player that a team heavily invests in and he disappoints in a big way. 

 

Example ... Tony Mandarich was taken 2nd overall. Was considered a bust after his 2nd year . 

Then pretty much 80 percent of all number one picks are busts then by your definition. Few ever give back the return on investment to the teams that select them.

[dw49]

So if a player doesn't do well for one team, gets traded, and becomes a Hall of Famer, then he is still a bust. I guess Brett Favre among others is a bust as well.

 

 

That's hysterical. AM "liked" it besides. Of coarse if that happens the player is not a bust. But according to you two , a player has to be retired before he's a bust. 

 

Please proceed to show how in the world RG3 and Favre's career parallel each others. Bret Favre was drafted by Atlanta , sat the bench his rookie year and was traded to Green bay after the season ended. You really didn't say that did you ? Must be one huge typo

[Qwiz]

That's hysterical. AM "liked" it besides. Of coarse if that happens the player is not a bust. But according to you two , a player has to be retired before he's a bust.

Please proceed to show how in the world RG3 and Favre's career parallel each others. Bret Favre was drafted by Atlanta , sat the bench his rookie year and was traded to Green bay after the season ended. You really didn't say that did you ? Must be one huge typo

You said that if a player does absolutely nothing to guarantee being selected by his first team then gets traded to another team he is considered a bust. That's just terrible logic and reasoning. If that is the case then there are several HOFrs and other good players who are busts. A bust is a player who basically flunks out of the league. Robert Griffin isn't even 30 yet and there are plenty of QB starved teams that would give him a shot if it came to it.

[dw49]

He is concussed and not cleared to play.

 

The best thing that could happen to him would be if the Skins released him.

 

 

Uh huh... but the season opener is a ways off. He originally passed the test and they came out with a very vague statement. Are you naive or just trying to be difficult ?

[amfootball]

Uh huh... but the season opener is a ways off. He originally passed the test and they came out with a very vague statement. Are you naive or just trying to be difficult ?

What I have read said he was not cleared by the doctors. Can you post the vague statement from them?

[jvan1973]

Sam Bradford isn't the type who finishes seasons. Chip Kelly made a lot of trades this offseason, the man has a plan. Doesn't mean he's given up on Sanchez otherwise he wouldn't be there either.

He is a career backup.

[jvan1973]

It's the same bass ackwards logic though.

No, no it isn't

[dw49]

You said that if a player does absolutely nothing to guarantee being selected by his first team then gets traded to another team he is considered a bust. That's just terrible logic and reasoning. If that is the case then there are several HOFrs and other good players who are busts. A bust is a player who basically flunks out of the league. Robert Griffin isn't even 30 yet and there are plenty of QB starved teams that would give him a shot if it came to it.

 

 

Never said anything of the sort. What I said is at this point in time , everything considered , RG3 is a "bust." I didn't say he was done. That's I'm sure how most of the football world would look at it.  Your first stamens above makes zero sense . I didn't say that and I can't even begin to know what you are even trying to say or express. 

 

Bust ... using 3 first round picks and a 2nd rounder to select a QB. That QB going into his 4th year has been benched 3 times for Cousins and once for McCoy is no doubt a huge disappointment and has fallen well short of expectations. His teammates don't like him , coaches don't like him . That's a bust. Now ... like I said and I'll go back if I have to. He is not done in the NFL. What I said is he's a bust and if he comes back to be a good player , that would be resurrecting his career. 

[jvan1973]

You said that if a player does absolutely nothing to guarantee being selected by his first team then gets traded to another team he is considered a bust. That's just terrible logic and reasoning. If that is the case then there are several HOFrs and other good players who are busts. A bust is a player who basically flunks out of the league. Robert Griffin isn't even 30 yet and there are plenty of QB starved teams that would give him a shot if it came to it.

They aren't going to be shipping the skins a 1 st round pick for him like the Packers did for favre. So again, terrible comparison

[Qwiz]

He is a career backup.

Who started for three years and even most of last season. I don't get your point.

[Qwiz]

No, no it isn't

Yes it is.

[Qwiz]

Never said anything of the sort. What I said is at this point in time , everything considered , RG3 is a "bust." I didn't say he was done. That's I'm sure how most of the football world would look at it. Your first stamens above makes zero sense . I didn't say that and I can't even begin to know what you are even trying to say or express.

Bust ... using 3 first round picks and a 2nd rounder to select a QB. That QB going into his 4th year has been benched 3 times for Cousins and once for McCoy is no doubt a huge disappointment and has fallen well short of expectations. His teammates don't like him , coaches don't like him . That's a bust. Now ... like I said and I'll go back if I have to. He is not done in the NFL. What I said is he's a bust and if he comes back to be a good player , that would be resurrecting his career.

Bust to me and most people is finality. Which is what we're basically disagreeing on here. In your opinion he's a bust. In mine he isn't. Simple as that.

[jvan1973]

Who started for three years and Even last year. I don't get your point.

He sucked in new York which is why he is no longer there. He started last year because Foles got hurt. That's what backups do

[dw49]

What I have read said he was not cleared by the doctors. Can you post the vague statement from them?

 

 

You didn't read that Cousins was named the starter for week 1 ? 

[jvan1973]

Bust to me and most people is finality. Which is what we're basically disagreeing on here. In your opinion he's a bust. In mine he isn't. Simple as that.

Most people think bob is a bust. The skins got fleeced in that trade

[Qwiz]

He sucked in new York which is why he is no longer there. He started last year because Foles got hurt. That's what backups do

And he generated buzz nearly leading the Eagles to the postseason. He still isn't a bust.

[Qwiz]

Most people on this board think bob is a bust. The skins got fleeced in that trade

That oughta do it.

[amfootball]

You didn't read that Cousins was named the starter for week 1 ? 

I did. I also read that RG was not cleared by doctors to play. What is the vague statement? I would expect Cousins to start if RG is not healthy.

[jvan1973]

I did. I also read that RG was not cleared by doctors to play. What is the vague statement? I would expect Cousins to start if RG is not healthy.

He will be cleared before week 1. He will be on the bench behind cousins

[dw49]

Bust to me and most people is finality. Which is what we're basically disagreeing on here. In your opinion he's a bust. In mine he isn't. Simple as that.

 

 

Uh huh... so if a team spends 3 1's ad a 2 on a QB and his value after 3 years is probably around a 5th round pick ... according to you and "most people " he's not a bust . That's funny 

[jvan1973]

That oughta do it.

No, most football fans in general. Google it, let me know how many articles you find

[Qwiz]

Uh huh... so if a team spends 3 1's ad a 2 on a QB and his value after 3 years is probably around a 5th round pick ... according to you and "most people " he's not a bust . That's funny

You know what that's called? "He didn't work out for us." He isn't automatically labeled a bust. That's not how it works.

[amfootball]

He will be cleared before week 1. He will be on the bench behind cousins

Do you have a link to that?  I have not read anywhere that he will be cleared by week 1. It is a concussion. No one knows for sure when a player can come back pending his symptoms.

[Qwiz]

No, most football fans in general. Google it, let me know how many articles you find

Most football fans are wrong/ignorant about a lot of things.

[jvan1973]

You know what that's called? "He didn't work out for us." He isn't automatically labeled a bust. That's not how it works.

No one cares he didn't work out here. He sucks, and is constantly hurt. That's why he is a bust

[jvan1973]

Most football fans are wrong/ignorant about a lot of things.

Well, his teammates and coaches don't think much of him either

[Qwiz]

No one cares he didn't work out here. He sucks, and is constantly hurt. That's why he is a bust

You need a football dictionary. Griff isn't a bust.

[Qwiz]

Well, his teammates and coaches don't think much of him either

So that makes him a bust. Cool story.