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Well, at least he didn't go to Seattle or New England. Denver's gonna have a tremendous running game this year, and Peyton will probably put up the lowest stats of his career. I think we still beat them.

I'm not sure why you expect such a great running game have you looked at their O Line?

Before this signing they had 3 starters with zero starts. They have issues at both T spots. Harris and the rookie Sambrilo. I agree this will be Mannings worst yr but for other reasons than a great running game.

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1 year, $2.5 mil base, $4 mil max.  That's a lot less than he was hoping to sign for.  Bummer we couldn't sign him for that much or a bit more, but it is what it is.  Even though he's taking less money, he's much closer to a championship now than he was in Philly.

Major acquisition. Mathis came down in his price, I'm thinking,,and Denver left the offer on the table.

Broncos now have 2 Pro Bowl guards...Once again..they are 'all in'

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1 year, $2.5 mil base, $4 mil max. That's a lot less than he was hoping to sign for. Bummer we couldn't sign him for that much or a bit more, but it is what it is. Even though he's taking less money, he's much closer to a championship now than he was in Philly.

So he turned down 5.5 mil yr and took less to play for a contender in Denver? If we could have got him for that then Grigs deserves a foot in his tail end for not signing him!

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So he turned down 5.5 mil yr and took less to play for a contender in Denver? If we could have got him for that then Grigs deserves a foot in his tail end for not signing him!

Mathis was a free agent, so he could have signed wherever he wanted.  Indy might have made him an offer with more money, but he still decided to sign with Denver.

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Mathis was a free agent, so he could have signed wherever he wanted.  Indy might have made him an offer with more money, but he still decided to sign with Denver.

I understand that's why I used the word "if"... I wish we could have picked him up. We needed him just as much if not more so then any other team in the league :)

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You know, there are these players that come along every year, and the consensus is always 'that's what we need to make a serious run at a Super Bowl, pay him what he wants!' There's very little consideration given to what happens after this season in which we so desperately need said player in order to contend, whether it's the impact on the cap, the development of the players presently on the roster, etc. More often than not, a year or two after teams splurge on these no-brainer free agents, they're left with a mess on their hands.

 

I've never questioned how good Evan Mathis is. He's been great for several seasons. I only question whether he's a good fit for our blocking scheme, and I think that's a legitimate question. Good in ZBS doesn't equal good in MBS, especially at guard and center. For premium money, those are the kind of questions that need to be answered. And he's older. And he had some injuries last year. He would be good in pass protection, no doubt, but I don't think that's really our issue.

 

Maybe the scheme questions are evidence that we should change our scheme; some have suggested we'd be better off running ZBS. It is easier to find linemen who can fit that scheme. It can also be easier to defend, which is part of the reason the Colts run defense doesn't have trouble with certain rushing attacks, and then gets walloped by others, like the Patriots and their power-gap running.

 

I don't think you go out and break the bank on free agents that don't fit your team's scheme and philosophy. Especially when they're 33. There are still some free agents that are either young and cheap, or better fits for our blocking scheme (and still cheap). As a matter of fact, if it were me, I'd be looking at depth at tackle, and that turns my attention to a guy like Jake Long or Anthony Collins.

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I'm not sure why you expect such a great running game have you looked at their O Line?

Before this signing they had 3 starters with zero starts. They have issues at both T spots. Harris and the rookie Sambrilo. I agree this will be Mannings worst yr but for other reasons than a great running game.

 

 

Nobody knows what they'll get out of Sambrailo for sure, but I've honestly never thought Clady was this stalwart LT that he's been made out to be. Now they have two Pro Bowl guards to help out their center. I don't think I've heard much about Gino Gradkowski, but Kubiak must have liked him enough to bring him over from Bmore. Both Clark and Harris have been starters in this league, and I believe Harris' best years were in Houston when Kubiak was there. Don't underestimate the Kubiak effect on a run game, I don't think he's ever ran an offense with a poor run game.

 

Also CJ Anderson is going to be a monster this year. If you play fantasy football, draft him in the second. He's going to win the rushing title this year.

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So he turned down 5.5 mil yr and took less to play for a contender in Denver? If we could have got him for that then Grigs deserves a foot in his tail end for not signing him!

 

Who did he turn down $5.5 Mil from?     Who offered that kind of money?     Link for that?

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I think the Eagles are a lot more talented than people realize..

 

The Colts should have jumped all over this.. we're paying Donald Thomas over $3 million and the guy hasn't even practiced yet. We could have paid Mathis the same price almost, and he could of came in and produced day 1.

 

Grigson is an *.

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The Colts should have jumped all over this.. we're paying Donald Thomas over $3 million and the guy hasn't even practiced yet. We could have paid Mathis the same price almost, and he could of came in and produced day 1.

 

 

I agree with this part.

 

We have Thomas sitting on the couch for $3M.

 

We brought in Herremans (32) at $2.25M and he is not looking so hot right meow. 

 

With Grigson's love (and affiliation) with former Eagles, how did we not even bring Mathis in for a workout and at least see how he could in our blocking scheme when guard is a need for us? 

 

I just don't get how Grigson used to be a O-Lineman, and our O-Line has been in question ever since he took over. 

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I think the Eagles are a lot more talented than people realize..

The Colts should have jumped all over this.. we're paying Donald Thomas over $3 million and the guy hasn't even practiced yet. We could have paid Mathis the same price almost, and he could of came in and produced day 1.

Todd Herremans and Joe Reitz are both roughly 3 mil a year as well.

I'm very surprised the Broncos got Mathis so cheap.

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Who did he turn down $5.5 Mil from?     Who offered that kind of money?     Link for that?

 

He turned down that offer of the Eagles for the same amount too. Eagles were willing to re-sign him for that amount of money. That other team, could be a phantom one created by his agent but it does show up repeatedly in articles about him :) :

 

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/08/26/evan-mathis-i-just-couldnt-turn-down-broncos-opportunity/

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He turned down that offer of the Eagles for the same amount too. Eagles were willing to re-sign him for that amount of money. That other team, could be a phantom one created by his agent but it does show up repeatedly in articles about him :) :

 

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/08/26/evan-mathis-i-just-couldnt-turn-down-broncos-opportunity/

 

What am I not understanding?     That story doesn't say the Eagles were willing to re-sign him after they released him?

 

I'm not following you.....   (and I normally do!)

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This was a great pick-up by Elway and the Broncos. They had a very young line with their LT being injured for the season. This gives them all pro guards on each side of the center. This will be great for their running game and that in turn will be great for Peyton.

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What am I not understanding?     That story doesn't say the Eagles were willing to re-sign him after they released him?

 

I'm not following you.....   (and I normally do!)

 

I got mixed up thinking the other team is the Eagles, my bad. Since the Eagles' 2015 salary for Mathis would have been $5.5 million, I got confused :). Trying to work and type at the same time in a hurry.

 

But the other team, we don't know for certain who it was but it keeps getting mentioned constantly. 

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I think the Eagles are a lot more talented than people realize..

The Colts should have jumped all over this.. we're paying Donald Thomas over $3 million and the guy hasn't even practiced yet. We could have paid Mathis the same price almost, and he could of came in and produced day 1.

Grigson is an *.

this is pure Bull* can't believe we are gonna pay Thomas 3 mil when Mathis a top 5 freaking G only got 4
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I think the Eagles are a lot more talented than people realize..

 

The Colts should have jumped all over this.. we're paying Donald Thomas over $3 million and the guy hasn't even practiced yet. We could have paid Mathis the same price almost, and he could of came in and produced day 1.

 

Grigson is an *.

 

Agreed.  I'm not getting this loyalty to Donald Thomas.   The guy who hustles around the field at practice and gets the equipment ready (we call him hustling guy) has run more miles than Thomas.  

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I agree with this part.

We have Thomas sitting on the couch for $3M.

We brought in Herremans (32) at $2.25M and he is not looking so hot right meow.

With Grigson's love (and affiliation) with former Eagles, how did we not even bring Mathis in for a workout and at least see how he could in our blocking scheme when guard is a need for us?

I just don't get how Grigson used to be a O-Lineman, and our O-Line has been in question ever since he took over.

All this talk about Matnis not fitting the Colts scheme, yet Donald Thomas came from NE, where they run what? A zone blocking scheme.
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. We could have paid Mathis the same price almost, and he could of came in and produced day 1.

 

Grigson is an *.

 

Who says Indy could have had Mathis for that price?  Mathis CHOSE to sign with Denver.  There is no way to know if he would have signed with the Colts for the same amount of money.  Hell, there's no way to know if Mathis would have signed with Indy for any amount of money.

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No they don't, and no they didn't. And Donald Thomas was 27, not 33.

Which I think is exactly why we struggle with them. Their scheme vs ours and they have the better talent and they win out. NE does a lot of different things but its pretty clear they run a power man attack when you see how they get up field and on our lbs.

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Which I think is exactly why we struggle with them. Their scheme vs ours and they have the better talent and they win out. NE does a lot of different things but its pretty clear they run a power man attack when you see how they get up field and on our lbs.

 

The truth is that you're fooling yourself if you try to put them in a box in any aspect. Everything they do is hybrid, depending on the opponent and situation. They run some zone principles, but they run a ton of man/power stuff with pull and wham blocking. And they go from doubling at the point to slamming into the LBs at the second level. Double strong with extra OL, etc. They are not one thing or the other, but they lean much further toward man blocking.

And when Thomas was there, he was pulling all the time. That's why he was considered such a good fit.

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The truth is that you're fooling yourself if you try to put them in a box in any aspect. Everything they do is hybrid, depending on the opponent and situation. They run some zone principles, but they run a ton of man/power stuff with pull and wham blocking. And they go from doubling at the point to slamming into the LBs at the second level. Double strong with extra OL, etc. They are not one thing or the other, but they lean much further toward man blocking.

And when Thomas was there, he was pulling all the time. That's why he was considered such a good fit.

Indeed. Why I feel we get outcoached every time we play them. All the way back to the Dungy years included. The only time I felt like we made adjustments and out coached them was the afc title game we won where we came out in the second half and did some things different. NE changes up to the matchups like you say. They find weakness and attack it. They will put in a whole new portion of a playbook to take advantage or change up their defensive schemes to match up. I feel frustrated at why we go in with a game plan and we can't find answers no matter who we upgrade our team with. Last year they were the most talented team in football when you consider both sides of the ball so its hard to get too mad...but every year...just hard to imagine we can make some adjustments to even out the playing field.

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