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Bruce Arians pulling a Gregg Popovich here, good for Jen and for BA. It is a start.

 

I always root for Arians when he is not playing the Colts :) because of the baptism by fire that Luck endured under him that I felt helped Andrew a lot. He did the same with Peyton and Big Ben too, taking them to the next level, whatever time he spent with them. I do wonder how having Tom Moore and Dick LeBeau on that staff will work out for him in that division.

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Bruce Arians pulling a Gregg Popovich here, good for Jen and for BA. It is a start.

 

I always root for Arians when he is not playing the Colts :) because of the baptism by fire that Luck endured under him that I felt helped Andrew a lot. He did the same with Peyton and Big Ben too, taking them to the next level, whatever time he spent with them. I do wonder how having Tom Moore and Dick LeBeau on that staff will work out for him in that division.

 

Yep he'll always be a favourite of mine for 2012 and his previous work with Peyton, however some of his play calling in 2012 drove me nuts! :P 

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"Jen Welter: Arizona Cardinals appoint NFL's first female coach." Miss Welter wasn't appointed by the Cardinals. She was hired by them. It makes her sound regal like English royalty.

 

Nit picking I know, but whoever wrote that headline could have selected a different word choice IMO. Not a reflection on SCC naturally who posted this story of course. 

 

I saw her AZ press conference where she placed the helmet on her head. I was like Um Jen, you can hold up the helmet, but you're not actually playing ball in the arena league anymore. You know that right?

 

I know; I know. She was just being enthusiastic & got caught up in the emotions of the whole situation. I get that. Good luck Jen. 

 

This makes me wonder if this coordinator trend continues in the NFL if an owner would eventually be receptive to hiring a woman as a full time head coach in say 8-10 years from now. I'm cool with it. 

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"Jen Welter: Arizona Cardinals appoint NFL's first female coach." Miss Welter wasn't appointed by the Cardinals. She was hired by them. It makes her sound regal like English royalty.

 

Nit picking I know, but whoever wrote that headline could have selected a different word choice IMO. Not a reflection on SCC naturally who posted this story of course. 

 

I saw her AZ press conference where she placed the helmet on her head. I was like Um Jen, you can hold up the helmet, but you're not actually playing ball in the arena league anymore. You know that right?

 

I know; I know. She was just being enthusiastic & got caught up in the emotions of the whole situation. I get that. Good luck Jen. 

 

This makes me wonder if this coordinator trend continues in the NFL if an owner would eventually be receptive to hiring a woman as a full time head coach in say 8-10 years from now. I'm cool with it. 

 

It is hard to earn respect as a coach (position or head coach) if you have not coached that game at a competitive level anywhere else.

 

I do think it needs to start more grass roots in Pop Warner where women should want / be allowed to coach more so that they can make inroads in college and professional levels.

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It is hard to earn respect as a coach (position or head coach) if you have not coached that game at a competitive level anywhere else.

 

I do think it needs to start more grass roots in Pop Warner where women should want / be allowed to coach more so that they can make inroads in college and professional levels.

All players really care about is can you arm me with the knowledge to play better, win more games, & earn more money over the course of their careers. 

 

Besides, being involved maybe in strength & conditioning & perhaps nutrition specialists/sports medicine, are their really any avenues for women coaching as coordinators in college? No, not really. 

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It is hard to earn respect as a coach (position or head coach) if you have not coached that game at a competitive level anywhere else.

I do think it needs to start more grass roots in Pop Warner where women should want / be allowed to coach more so that they can make inroads in college and professional levels.

Pop Warner? Really seems a bit harsh don't you think? She has been playing semi and pro football in women and men's leagues for a while and played rugby in college so she seems to understand athleticism. She is just an intern at the moment but if she can do the job, what difference should it make that she is female? Pop Warner?

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Pop Warner? Really seems a bit harsh don't you think? She has been playing semi and pro football in women and men's leagues for a while and played rugby in college so she seems to understand athleticism. She is just an intern at the moment but if she can do the job, what difference should it make that she is female? Pop Warner?

I don't see it as a problem in other sports, but I could see it being more difficult just because football is testosterone driven.

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Pop Warner? Really seems a bit harsh don't you think? She has been playing semi and pro football in women and men's leagues for a while and played rugby in college so she seems to understand athleticism. She is just an intern at the moment but if she can do the job, what difference should it make that she is female? Pop Warner?

 

I meant the pool of women candidates would be more to choose from thus allowing more women to coach in the NFL if they started at the Pop Warner level. That was my point. I was talking about how more women can make inroads into NFL coaching circles eventually.

 

My suggestion is along the lines of the US men's soccer coach Klinsmann suggesting that soccer camps and soccer Moms are good and dandy for men's soccer but when you have more involvement at the grass roots level (which is Pop Warner for football), then you have far more eligible candidates for players and coaches to choose from thus increasing the quality level across the board. If more kids, according to Klinsmann, chose to play soccer on the streets as opposed to basketball or football, the quality of athletes to choose from will be greater for soccer. The same concept applies for coaches too in all sports. Am I making sense now? :)

 

Having played the sport is a totally different angle that is respected, I agree with you on that. 

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I meant the pool of women candidates would be more to choose from thus allowing more women to coach in the NFL if they started at the Pop Warner level. That was my point. I was talking about how more women can make inroads into NFL coaching circles eventually.

 

My suggestion is along the lines of the US men's soccer coach Klinsmann suggesting that soccer camps and soccer Moms are good and dandy for men's soccer but when you have more involvement at the grass roots level (which is Pop Warner for football), then you have far more eligible candidates for players and coaches to choose from thus increasing the quality level across the board. If more kids, according to Klinsmann, chose to play soccer on the streets as opposed to basketball or football, the quality of athletes to choose from will be greater for soccer. The same concept applies for coaches too in all sports. Am I making sense now? :)

 

Having played the sport is a totally different angle that is respected, I agree with you on that. 

 

Dare I add too if kids grow up being coached by a female they are less likely to have a prejudice against it when they are older? I know all the Cardinals players have been vocally supportive, but I'm sure there will be a few in the league who would object to the idea. 

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Congrats to her, but I think it happened only because the Spurs hired a female coach as well. When something groundbreaking happens in one sport, another tries to copy it. She got the job solely because of her gender as of now, lets see if she has the skills to improve the team. Obviously Arians sees something in her.

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The wage gap is a myth, but it makes for good headlines.

It's funny how when I say this IRL, how so many people recoil like I just said "Hitler had some good ideas". 

 

Which starts a conversation which always leads to the discovery that they're just parroting something they heard on liberal news outlets, with no actual knowledge of what the real story is here. Shocking how many people are willing to pronounce such things while knowing nothing about it. 

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This Samuel L. Jackson look always makes me burst out with laughter. It's supposed to be his don't mess with me man look & strike fear into people but it would have the exact opposite effect on me. 

 

Remember, the TV show on Fox called "Cops?" Bad boys, bad boys, what ya gonna do when they come for you? There you go. A trip down flashback lane ruksak. Thanks. 

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Congrats to her, but I think it happened only because the Spurs hired a female coach as well. When something groundbreaking happens in one sport, another tries to copy it. She got the job solely because of her gender as of now, lets see if she has the skills to improve the team. Obviously Arians sees something in her.

I don't think it's fair to say such a thing. She got the job in spite of her gender, and perhaps (I know this may be a shock) .....perhaps she's actually qualified? 

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Lol.  You could have just said, "no," instead of indicating that she looks like Samuel L. Jackson.  

No. I was quite disappointed that it only took a short time for someone to mention her looks. So I employed Mr Jackson to stare at you until you realized the shameful remark you made. 

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I don't think it's fair to say such a thing. She got the job in spite of her gender, and perhaps (I know this may be a shock) .....perhaps she's actually qualified? 

It's fair to say. I do believe she is qualified, but she got the job because Arians wanted to do something the NBA did. As you can see with my previous post, I hope she does well. I still like Bruce Arians and I respect his decisions and believe he knows what he is doing. Anyone with common sense though knows she mainly got signed for shock value as well. She may be qualified, but I don't think Arians pulls the trigger unless Poppy does with the Spurs first. The other factor I have with the shock value thing is that Arians may have sacrificed hiring someone more qualified in order to make a statement that he believes a woman can do just as good as a man. Good luck to her and Arians, I hope they do a great job and beat up the Seahawks especially. I just hope he didn't sign her over someone else for the media attention and shock value and crush their dream, as that would be a shame. I can't wait to see how the players react to her.

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It's fair to say. I do believe she is qualified, but she got the job because Arians wanted to do something the NBA did. As you can see with my previous post, I hope she does well. I still like Bruce Arians and I respect his decisions and believe he knows what he is doing. Anyone with common sense though knows she mainly got signed for shock value as well. She may be qualified, but I don't think Arians pulls the trigger unless Poppy does with the Spurs first. The other factor I have with the shock value thing is that Arians may have sacrificed hiring someone more qualified in order to make a statement that he believes a woman can do just as good as a man. Good luck to her and Arians, I hope they do a great job and beat up the Seahawks especially. I just hope he didn't sign her over someone else for the media attention and shock value and crush their dream, as that would be a shame. I can't wait to see how the players react to her.

"but she got the job because Arians wanted to do something the NBA did."

 

 

Do you have any proof of this statement you state as fact?

 

Also do you think Arians is stupid? Because your basically insinuating that honestly, Your saying he wants to risk his job all just because he employed a woman without looking at her resume.....Which again she has been football for years and has prior experience playing running back and coaching linebackers

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"but she got the job because Arians wanted to do something the NBA did.

 

 

Do you have any proof of this statement you state as fact?

Just the fact that A.) The BOOM BOOM timing of her being signed immediately after the Spurs coach. Arians gains some publicity now and gives a female a chance. Anyone with half a brain knows he's taking a page out of Poppy's playbook. B.) He signed her AFTER the spurs signed their coach, not before. It's possible he had her in mind, but when something groundbreaking happens in one sport, someone tends to copy it. C.) A women's coach was signed just today instead of 5 or 10 years ago. You don't find it concidental that just now is the first NFL female coach? There were plenty of qualified women 5 and 10 years ago as well. The NBA coach gave the possibility that this would happen, someone had to start it in a sport and now that it is started, Bruce Arians can hire a woman and build off the NBA's energy. If he took initiative and hired her first, I wouldn't say a word about it.

 

As you can see, this isn't a big deal. I hope she does a great job and I'm rooting for her, especially since she's in the NFC and working under Bruce Arians. I just have a problem with the timing of the hire, as it's a publicity move more than anything. I hope she can do a great job and earn her stripes.

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Just the fact that A.) The BOOM BOOM timing of her being signed immediately after the Spurs coach. Arians gains some publicity now and gives a female a chance. Anyone with half a brain knows he's taking a page out of Poppy's playbook. B.) He signed her AFTER the spurs signed their coach, not before. It's possible he had her in mind, but when something groundbreaking happens in one sport, someone tends to copy it. C.) A women's coach was signed just today instead of 5 or 10 years ago. You don't find it concidental that just now is the first NFL female coach? There were plenty of qualified women 5 and 10 years ago as well. The NBA coach gave the possibility that this would happen, someone had to start it in a sport and now that it is started, Bruce Arians can hire a woman and build off the NBA's energy. If he took initiative and hired her first, I wouldn't say a word about it.

 

As you can see, this isn't a big deal. I hope she does a great job and I'm rooting for her, especially since she's in the NFC and working under Bruce Arians. I just have a problem with the timing of the hire, as it's a publicity move more than anything. I hope she can do a great job and earn her stripes.

So is the next woman that's going to be hired(Because there will be more) because said coach that hired her hired her because "well Bruce Arians hired a woman so I will to".....Furthermore do you think a coach wants to risk his job all for the sake of hiring a woman just to hire a woman? Sounds risky and counter-productive don't you think? I think your also failing to mention that Hammon had 15 years of playing under her belt was a 6 time WNBA All Star.......In other words she knew how to play the game

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So is the next woman that's going to be hired(Because there will be more) because said coach that hired her hired her because "well Bruce Arians hired a woman so I will to".....Furthermore do you think a coach wants to risk his job all for the sake of hiring a woman just to hire a woman? Sounds risky and counter-productive don't you think? I think your also failing to mention that Hammon had 15 years of playing under her belt was a 6 time WNBA All Star.......In other words she knew how to play the game

Tell me this then, why now? Why wasn't a woman hired earlier and why was a woman hired in the NFL right after the Spurs hired their new woman coach? I never said either weren't qualified, I'm saying the timing of the hire is suspect as it is. I believe Poppy on the Spurs hired someone he thought was qualified, I can make that argument becuase he did it first and as you pointed out, she has an impressive resume. Arians played the copycat role to get publicity because of how quick he did something that has never been done concidently after the spurs coach did something that was never done in basketball.

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No. I was quite disappointed that it only took a short time for someone to mention her looks. So I employed Mr Jackson to stare at you until you realized the shameful remark you made. 

 

Thank you for sharing your opinion.  I am not as bound to political correctness as you are so I will never realize that it is a shameful remark, nor will I care if others do.  

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Tell me this then, why now? Why wasn't a woman hired earlier and why was a woman hired in the NFL right after the Spurs hired their new woman coach? I never said either weren't qualified, I'm saying the timing of the hire is suspect as it is. 

The same reason it took so long African americans to be thought of as human beings with thoughts. feelings......It was not socially acceptable at the time......Some white people did in fact consider black people as humans back then and that they should be treated with respect and be accorded the same rights as whites...But the majority did not (going with my example here). Back then you did not have social media, Some people new women could coach back(speaking of basketball now) then no doubt but it was not socially acceptable to put that out there.....Now over time it has become much more sociably acceptable

 

Now instead of the few people that believe women can coach you have many more and thanks to time and social media people can come together much easier and stand up to those that think the opposite (though those that think opposite is not nearly as many as there once was)

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Thank you for sharing your opinion.  I am not as bound to political correctness as you are so I will never realize that it is a shameful remark, nor will I care if others do.  

There's a vast difference between political correctness and just saying insulting things. If I were a woman, I would  find your comment insulting. I don't mean to demonize you, I really don't. It was just a clumsy comment that you probably should've kept to yourself. 

 

Very few people here would ever accuse ME of being too PC. That is far from my reputation here, quite the opposite really. 

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The same reason it took so long African americans to be thought of as human beings with thoughts. feelings......It was not socially acceptable at the time......Some white people did in fact consider black people as humans back then and that they should be treated with respect and be accorded the same rights as whites...But the majority did not (going with my example here). Back then you did not have social media, Some people new women could coach back(speaking of basketball now) then no doubt but it was not socially acceptable to put that out there.....Now over time it has become much more sociably acceptable

 

Now instead of the few people that believe women can coach you have many more and thanks to time and social media people can come together much easier and stand up to those that think the opposite (though those that think opposite is not nearly as many as there once was)

That made a lot of sense. Very good response there, and I appreciate it. I can't disagree with any of it. Lets wish her the best and see what happens. Good talk.

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There's a vast difference between political correctness and just saying insulting things. If I were a woman, I would  find your comment insulting. I don't mean to demonize you, I really don't. It was just a clumsy comment that you probably should've kept to yourself. 

 

Very few people here would ever accuse ME of being too PC. That is far from my reputation here, quite the opposite really. 

 

Thank you.  I don't feel demonized in the least bit and I intended to make the comment.  This is a forum on the internet and there is very little that I take personal, here or in real life.  However, I would have the right to be insulted just as a woman would have the right to be insulted or offended at my comment.  

Most likely, I did it to ruffle feathers (which worked) as I really don't see a woman being a coach as a big deal nor am I going to take any time to praise it.  If we have true equality these types of things don't matter.   However, this was clearly a socio-political move as the NFL has become a social experiment (as has the US military) and a microphone for social issues (examples-Michael Sam/Domestic Battery commercials).  

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Thank you.  I don't feel demonized in the least bit and I intended to make the comment.  This is a forum on the internet and there is very little that I take personal, here or in real life.  However, I would have the right to be insulted just as a woman would have the right to be insulted or offended at my comment.  

Most likely, I did it to ruffle feathers (which worked) as I really don't see a woman being a coach as a big deal nor am I going to take any time to praise it.  If we have true equality these types of things don't matter.   However, this was clearly a socio-political move as the NFL has become a social experiment (as has the US military) and a microphone for social issues (examples-Michael Sam/Domestic Battery commercials).  

I think you would find us quite close, in respect to our political beliefs. But out of respect for the forum rules, I'll abstain from continuing down this line. 

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Thank you.  I don't feel demonized in the least bit and I intended to make the comment.  This is a forum on the internet and there is very little that I take personal, here or in real life.  However, I would have the right to be insulted just as a woman would have the right to be insulted or offended at my comment.  

Most likely, I did it to ruffle feathers (which worked) as I really don't see a woman being a coach as a big deal nor am I going to take any time to praise it.  If we have true equality these types of things don't matter.   However, this was clearly a socio-political move as the NFL has become a social experiment (as has the US military) and a microphone for social issues (examples-Michael Sam/Domestic Battery commercials).  

"However, this was clearly a socio-political move as the NFL has become a social experiment (as has the US military) and a microphone for social issues (examples-Michael Sam/Domestic Battery commercials)."

 

Going with this comment at face value is every first to this magnitude just for the purpose of social experimenting?   

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The same reason it took so long African americans to be thought of as human beings with thoughts. feelings......It was not socially acceptable at the time......Some white people did in fact consider black people as humans back then and that they should be treated with respect and be accorded the same rights as whites...But the majority did not (going with my example here). Back then you did not have social media, Some people new women could coach back(speaking of basketball now) then no doubt but it was not socially acceptable to put that out there.....Now over time it has become much more sociably acceptable

Now instead of the few people that believe women can coach you have many more and thanks to time and social media people can come together much easier and stand up to those that think the opposite (though those that think opposite is not nearly as many as there once was)

This is an excellent post. Your other ones on this thread are too.

I remember when the NBA hired the first two female referees (Violet Palmer and Dee Kantner) in the late 90s. Many people criticized the move, some saying women should stay out of male sports and others predicting that NBA players would verbally abuse the two women. I remember thinking then that the possibility of abuse should not deter the NBA from hiring the women, but many people disagreed.

I don't watch the NBA much anymore but back in those days, I don't recall any incidents involving players disrespecting those female refs. In fact, fans did not even realize there was a female ref officiating the game.

I wish Jen Welter and the Cards much success.

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This is an excellent post. Your other ones on this thread are too.

I remember when the NBA hired the first two female referees (Violet Palmer and Dee Kantner) in the late 90s. Many people criticized the move, some saying women should stay out of male sports and others predicting that NBA players would verbally abuse the two women. I remember thinking then that the possibility of abuse should not deter the NBA from hiring the women, but many people disagreed.

I don't watch the NBA much anymore but back in those days, I don't recall any incidents involving players disrespecting those female refs. In fact, fans did not even realize there was a female ref officiating the game.

I wish Jen Welter and the Cards much success.

I mean sure there is a chance she gets abused, I don't think that can be denied but the benefit outweighs that I think, I try not to get into the debate "women can do anything men can do" simply because to me that's to general of a statement, Its a case by case basis. Example: There are plenty of women out there that cant bench 200+ lbs......Well there are plenty of men that cant either. Women can teach football, They can comprehend it if they want to bad enough....some men cant even comprehend it (including on this very forum somewhat). Women can play football as well...Now does that mean I think the average woman should go out and join the NFL or any football league and play against men? No but they are full capable of teaching the game and playing the game

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I mean sure there is a chance she gets abused, I don't think that can be denied but the benefit outweighs that I think, I try not to get into the debate "women can do anything men can do" simply because to me that's to general of a statement, Its a case by case basis. Example: There are plenty of women out there that cant bench 200+ lbs......Well there are plenty of men that cant either. Women can teach football, They can comprehend it if they want to bad enough....some men cant even comprehend it (including on this very forum somewhat). Women can play football as well...Now does that mean I think the average woman should go out and join the NFL or any football league and play against men? No but they are full capable of teaching the game and playing the game

I agree with that... No one seems to have a problem with men coaching women.

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