Training Camp 8/3/15 (Merged)

[UKColt13]

http://www.stampedeblue.com/2015/8/2/9087681/colts-camp-notebook-day-one

[Narcosys]

We keep whalen on the practice squad, he's going to get signed. Something I think we'll regret. But we do have a great WR corp. Glad to see our DB'S keeping up too.

Can we cut harrison yet? Or do we have to wait til Holmes greys injured and he messes up another 5-6 snaps?

[CR91]

We keep whalen on the practice squad, he's going to get signed. Something I think we'll regret. But we do have a great WR corp. Glad to see our DB'S keeping up too.

Can we cut harrison yet? Or do we have to wait til Holmes greys injured and he messes up another 5-6 snaps?

 

can he even be put on PS anymore

[Bravo]

can he even be put on the PS squad anymore

It would be pretty close.... I think he might have acquired to much time on the active roster.

[UKColt13]

I'm not sure if Griff is eligible for the PS anymore.

Not really clear on the rules for that tbh. Something to do with how many games they've been active for I think.

[Bravo]

We keep whalen on the practice squad, he's going to get signed. Something I think we'll regret. But we do have a great WR corp. Glad to see our DB'S keeping up too.

Can we cut harrison yet? Or do we have to wait til Holmes greys injured and he messes up another 5-6 snaps?

If we can keep Whalen on the practice squad I say we do.... But he can easily beat out Vincent Brown on the 53 man roster.

Also we most likely won't cut Jonathan Harrison. He can be a good player in the future. He is a project player. Have to remember he was a UDFA and he plays pretty well for being one. His bad snap issues are a problem but he has some high potential.

[Valpo2004]

Not liking that Lance Louis is 1st team left guard right now. 

 

While I know Reitz needs to work at tackle to provide a solid backup at that position, he should be starting over Lance Louis.  

 

Where is Ulrick John???

[Bravo]

Not liking that Lance Louis is 1st team left guard right now.

While I know Reitz needs to work at tackle to provide a solid backup at that position, he should be starting over Lance Louis.

Where is Ulrick John???

Yeah I would like either Reitz or Thorton over Louis but it was only day one.....Although it would be nice for our offensive line to build chemistry!!!! And John was playing second team RT.

[throwing BBZ]

We keep whalen on the practice squad, he's going to get signed. Something I think we'll regret. But we do have a great WR corp. Glad to see our DB'S keeping up too.

Can we cut harrison yet? Or do we have to wait til Holmes greys injured and he messes up another 5-6 snaps?

 

 Wandering in the wilderness!

[TKnight24]

Happy Monday folks! Day 2 is here

Setting the schedule for Day 2 of Colts' training camp http://t.co/Q4yABdSy4K

— Mike Wells (@MikeWellsNFL)

August 3, 2015

Some overnight showers in Anderson but skies are clearing this morning. Same schedule as yesterday for #ColtsCamp. Open practice: 1:50-4:40

— Kevin Bowen (@KBowenColts)

August 3, 2015

If there's anyone who has trouble viewing the tweets please PM a Mod so they can help. I don't want anyone missing out due to a technical difficulty

[TKnight24]

Happy birthday @HenryAnderson91! pic.twitter.com/dKTpwO1jRw

— Indianapolis Colts (@Colts)

August 3, 2015

So are we, coach. #ONEmission #ColtsCamp pic.twitter.com/q77wEFZm3D

— Indianapolis Colts (@Colts)

August 3, 2015

[TKnight24]

Easy @E_Ninety3... That's our QB! #ONEmission #ColtsCamp pic.twitter.com/eieJZvIpHI

— Indianapolis Colts (@Colts)

August 3, 2015

[PrincetonTiger]

Thanks TK

[lollygagger8]

Love that blue shield on Walden! 

[mattceinicram]

Interesting to see Denzelle Goode on the second team to start. I wonder how much we will see Ulrick John also compete there.

[MrNLM]

Love that blue shield on Walden!

Me too!

He looks like one half of Daft Punk... Or, dare I say, Daft Colt. :-D

[TKnight24]

Practice starts at 1:55 (Such an odd time)

TK is going to go get ready, freshened up, and chug some apple juice in the meantime

[Steamboat_Shaun]

Happy birthday @HenryAnderson91! pic.twitter.com/dKTpwO1jRw

— Indianapolis Colts (@Colts)

August 3, 2015

 

It's Tom Brady's b-day too, but screw him.  

 

Happy birthday Henry!

[TKnight24]

Coby Fleener on final contract year: That all will take care of itself. Just focused on football. #ColtsCamp15

— George Bremer (@gmbremer)

August 3, 2015

Josh Chapman on run defense: Put it on me. NT says he can handle the pressure. #ColtsCamp15

— George Bremer (@gmbremer)

August 3, 2015

[TKnight24]

Chapman on doing the dirty work: It's not about me. It's about somebody making the tackle. #ColtsCamp15

— George Bremer (@gmbremer)

August 3, 2015

Art Jones on DL: We can be great. Says all 3 starters coming together. #ColtsCamp15

— George Bremer (@gmbremer)

August 3, 2015

[TKnight24]

Pagano on LT Anthony Castonzo: It's really his room now, and he's the leader of that room. #ColtsCamp15

— George Bremer (@gmbremer)

August 3, 2015

Pagano acknowledges Khaled Holmes taking majority of first-team reps at center, but competition ongoing. #ColtsCamp15

— George Bremer (@gmbremer)

August 3, 2015

[TKnight24]

Pagano says cutting down turnovers, as team did in 2013, is among the top goals for this training camp. #ColtsCamp15

— George Bremer (@gmbremer)

August 3, 2015

[pgt_rob]

Pagano acknowledges Khaled Holmes taking majority of first-team reps at center, but competition ongoing. #ColtsCamp15

— George Bremer (@gmbremer)

August 3, 2015

 

Please Lord let Holmes be healthy this year.

[TKnight24]

We keep whalen on the practice squad, he's going to get signed. Something I think we'll regret. But we do have a great WR corp. Glad to see our DB'S keeping up too.

Can we cut harrison yet? Or do we have to wait til Holmes greys injured and he messes up another 5-6 snaps?

Really don't see how we'll regret cutting a easily replaceable WR in Griff Whalen

[TKnight24]

Pagano: Any scheme that you run, you've gotta be strong up the middle. #ColtsCamp15

— George Bremer (@gmbremer)

August 3, 2015

Pagano: We've got QB as good as any in league. It's all about trenches. Gotta create a mentality in training camp. #ColtsCamp15

— George Bremer (@gmbremer)

August 3, 2015

[throwing BBZ]

 We just might be really good running off our right side this season. A first for the Andrew era.  True Balance!!

[Narcosys]

Really don't see how we'll regret cutting a easily replaceable WR in Griff Whalen

 

Because he's better than you give him credit for.  People who complain about him have never broke down the film on him.  The kid can play, he can get great separation, and has good hands.  He's Austin Collie without the concussions.

[throwing BBZ]

We keep whalen on the practice squad, he's going to get signed. Something I think we'll regret. But we do have a great WR corp. Glad to see our DB'S keeping up too.

Can we cut harrison yet? Or do we have to wait til Holmes greys injured and he messes up another 5-6 snaps?

 

 Yet Harrison is getting a real shot to win the starting job. Seems like you are totally out of the loop on this.

[TKnight24]

#Colts LT Anthony Castonzo confirms he and team in discussions for a potential long-term contract. Entering the last year of rookie deal.

— Zak Keefer (@zkeefer)

August 3, 2015

Anthony Castonzo says it would be ideal to get a new contract done before the season: “That would be fantastic.” Perfect place for a LT

— Kevin Bowen (@KBowenColts)

August 3, 2015

[Narcosys]

 Yet Harrison is getting a real shot to win the starting job. Seems like you are totally out of the loop on this.

 

 Umm... Of course he is.  We dont have anyone else really competing do we?  He's already messing up snaps on the 2nd team.  Holmes is currently with the first team, until he gets injured.  Harrison also did not play well at all last year, allowing pressures up the middle and poor run blocking.  But if that is all you have

[TKnight24]

Because he's better than you give him credit for. People who complain about him have never broke down the film on him. The kid can play, he can get great separation, and has good hands. He's Austin Collie without the concussions.

He's good but replaceable. Reason being cause he's a 5th-6th option at WR and everyone knows that guy on the depth chart is your ST. They're confident in Dorsett & Carter at Returner so that makes Whalen expendable

It's carter's job to lose, but Whalen is basically out the door. But he won't get cut until the final ones cause the coaches do like him

[throwing BBZ]

Because he's better than you give him credit for.  People who complain about him have never broke down the film on him.  The kid can play, he can get great separation, and has good hands.  He's Austin Collie without the concussions.

 

 Hmmm! Getting separation has been a HUGE problem for him. He gets you 5 yards when we need 7.

 He has lacked the speed of Collie for sure. The reason he couldn`t get it done as a returner right?

[Narcosys]

He's good but replaceable. Reason being cause he's a 5th-6th option at WR and everyone knows that guy on the depth chart is your ST. They're confident in Dorsett & Carter at Returner so that makes Whalen expendable

It's carter's job to lose, but Whalen is basically out the door. But he won't get cut until the final ones cause the coaches do like him

 

He's there because we have Johnsons and TY, I'd go so far as to say he should be third, but this staff believes more in speed it seems.  Plus we dont know what to expect next year and who will be here. 

[TKnight24]

He's there because we have Johnsons and TY, I'd go so far as to say he should be third, but this staff believes more in speed it seems. Plus we dont know what to expect next year and who will be here.

Andre Johnson

TY Hilton

Donte Moncrief

Phillip Dorsett

Talent wise, how is he a #3 for us? Who on that list is Griff Whalen better than?

Griff can be a 3rd somewhere else, but not here. His days are numbered

[Gavin]

 Yet Harrison is getting a real shot to win the starting job. Seems like you are totally out of the loop on this.

Normally when two players are battling it out for a starting position that's not a good sign because it simply means you don't have an established player at that position and Holmes by no means secured the starting role last year and Harrison can hardly go through a game(Or apparently a practice) without acting like Luck is 10 feet tall and launching a football over his head

[Narcosys]

 Hmmm! Getting separation has been a HUGE problem for him. He gets you 5 yards when we need 7.

 He has lacked the speed of Collie for sure. The reason he couldn`t get it done as a returner right?

 

Not at all.  Again, like i told TK, noone actually takes a look at the film on him.  I went through, last year, every snap of his and broke it down and posted my findings.  Nearly every snap he has a yard or more separation on his defender.  The problem...Luck just doesn't look to him.  He was looking for Reggie and Hilton, underrstandably.  Most of the times he did throw to him were such terrible passes that Whalen either had to nearly pick it up off the ground, or twist his body around to catch the ball that was thrown behind him, which has been a constant complaint of mine on Luck. 

 

A yard or more is separation in the NFL, almost noone except the elites, or broken plays, gets 5+ yards of separation. 

[PeterBowman]

Hmmm! Getting separation has been a HUGE problem for him. He gets you 5 yards when we need 7.

He has lacked the speed of Collie for sure. The reason he couldn`t get it done as a returner right?

Theres a spot for Whalen in this league because of his hands and route running....but this team could just be too deep at receiver to keep himm.....unless Carter just stinks it up

[TKnight24]

Normally when two players are battling it out for a starting position that's not a good sign because it simply means you don't have an established player at that position and Holmes by no means secured the starting role last year and Harrison can hardly go through a game without acting like Luck is 10 feet tall and and launching a football over his head

Pagano isn't stupid (at times), it's Holmes job barring injury

Harrison snapped the ball over Hasselbeck's head yesterday. He just can't get right

[Narcosys]

Andre Johnson

TY Hilton

Donte Moncrief

Phillip Dorsett

Talent wise, how is he a #3 for us? Who on that list is Griff Whalen better than?

Griff can be a 3rd somewhere else, but not here. His days are numbered

 

You are really putting a guy who NEVER played a down in the NFL as being more talented.  Thats some confidence right there. 

Moncrief for me, the jury is still out.  They both have a 17 target differential for receptions to targets, but that doesnt mean they were good passes I'll grant you that. Moncrief is more of an outside guy going long, Griff is not, more designed for the slot, and short yardage with sure hands.  You cant compare and say its talent off the stats.  They just aren't the same type of receiver, they play differently and are used differently.

[TKnight24]

You are really putting a guy who NEVER played a down in the NFL as being more talented. Thats some confidence right there.

Moncrief for me, the jury is still out. They both have a 17 target differential for receptions to targets, but that doesnt mean they were good passes I'll grant you that. Moncrief is more of an outside guy going long, Griff is not, more designed for the slot, and short yardage with sure hands. You cant compare and say its talent off the stats. They just aren't the same type of receiver, they play differently and are used differently.

I'm not saying Whalen is bad, he's just not gonna make it here. The WR depth has caught up to him. We took Dorsett #1 that's why I put him there, he's not going anywhere he's a lock. Hilton & Johnson & Moncrief are locks. Moncrief opened yesterday lined up a #3

It's just no room for Whalen unless Carter or Brown get injured or stink it up

Whalen will go somewhere like Washington or something and play. Just not here in Indianapolis