Lagarrette Blount Fails his physical?

[BullsColtsFan1]

http://www.patspulpit.com/2015/7/30/9072545/door-opens-for-jonas-gray-legarrette-blount-fails-physical

[Valpo2004]

Probably no big deal. . . if the heat had something to do with it all he has to do is just wait for a cooler day to take the test again.

[southwest1]

Oh yeah, Jonas Grey. I totally forgot about that guy. Darn, he's been in the doghouse a l-o-n-g time...Regarding Lagarette Blount, I've heard those conditioning tests are pretty grueling in nature. 

[jvan1973]

Oh yeah, Jonas Grey. I totally forgot about that guy. Darn, he's been in the doghouse a l-o-n-g time...Regarding Lagarette Blount, I've heard those conditioning tests are pretty grueling in nature.

if our defense doesn't improve they could trot out any undrafted FA and he would put up 150 on us

[ReMeDy]

if our defense doesn't improve they could trot out any undrafted FA and he would put up 150 on us

 

 

"Maybe I'll be a FA soon! Pick me! Pick me!"

[Colts_Fan12]

"Maybe I'll be a FA soon! Pick me! Pick me!"

that's just what we need to get destroyed by Trich and the pats at the same time

[amfootball]

if our defense doesn't improve they could trot out any undrafted FA and he would put up 150 on us

Do you expect your defense to be better this season?

[lollygagger8]

Do you expect your defense to be better this season?

 

Do you expect Tom Brady to actually ever tell the truth? 

[jvan1973]

Do you expect your defense to be better this season?

I'm not sure, but I'm hopeful

[amfootball]

I'm not sure, but I'm hopeful

I did not follow too many of your moves but I know you added a couple of Dline vet FAs, right? What about the secondary? How do you feel about the safety position. I know you drafted a guy.

[BOTT]

Do you expect your defense to be better this season?

I think it could be above average if Arthur Jones steps up, Mathis and Cole have good/solid seasons. Nate Irving could be a nice addition when he's healthy.

The D was pretty good most of the time last season, but when they're bad........they're really bad. It would be nice to have a kick butt defense one day.

[BPindy]

I did not follow too many of your moves but I know you added a couple of Dline vet FAs, right? What about the secondary? How do you feel about the safety position. I know you drafted a guy.

Trent Cole will be a nice addition in the linebacker corps, but Irving is the guy I'm excited about. Graded out as one of the best run stuffers until he went down last year. Those additions coupled with Mathis coming back in good form could widely improve the Colts defense. A whole lot of "ifs" on the injury front, but the talent and potential is there

[BloodyChamp]

But but...weed is good for you

[amfootball]

But but...weed is good for you

I was hearing on the radio yesterday that there is talk about trying to get the NFL to take week off the banned substance list given it is legal in certain states.

[Flying Elvis]

From Andy Hart, Patriots Football Weekly,

 

"Blount looks leaner, quicker and faster this summer. He showed nice burst in his first carries of camp action. He also put a nice move on linebacker Jamie Collins in one-on-one coverage drills that left the man who is arguably the team’s best athlete in his dust grasping at air."

[BloodyChamp]

I was hearing on the radio yesterday that there is talk about trying to get the NFL to take week off the banned substance list given it is legal in certain states.

There has been talk for a long time but it that's all I ever hear. It's like they throw that at us every now and then just because.

[FanFromtheWasteland]

I was hearing on the radio yesterday that there is talk about trying to get the NFL to take week off the banned substance list given it is legal in certain states.

Jmo but as long as it is illegal in any state, the NFL will not change their position.

[DougDew]

I'm sure that intentionally ingesting smoke into his lungs on a semi frequent basis has nothing to do with this.

[ruksak]

But but...weed is good for you

Few people, aside from profoundly sick individuals, would ever claim weed is "good for you". 

 

Then again, neither are cheeseburgers, and I don't see our jails packed with cheeseburger offenders. 

[ruksak]

Jmo but as long as it is illegal in any state, the NFL will not change their position.

You mean to say, until it is federally legalized, the NFL will not change their position. 

[ruksak]

I'm sure that intentionally ingesting smoke into his lungs on a semi frequent basis has nothing to do with this.

I'm sure if he got drunk every night, he'd fail the physical as well. 

[BloodyChamp]

Few people, aside from profoundly sick individuals, would ever claim weed is "good for you".

Then again, neither are cheeseburgers, and I don't see our jails packed with cheeseburger offenders.

You're not that naive. Everybody who smokes weed, plus a ton of desperate politicians and other people afraid to speak their mind, says it's good for you. Now I doubt they all really think that but that's what they say because they want it to be legal so bad.

Meanwhile atleast fresh cheeseburgers aren't bad for you. McDonalds, Hardees, etc is a different story.

[ruksak]

You're not that naive. Everybody who smokes weed, plus a ton of desperate politicians and other people afraid to speak their mind, says it's good for you. Now I doubt they all really think that but that's what they say because they want it to be legal so bad.

Meanwhile atleast fresh cheeseburgers aren't bad for you. McDonalds, Hardees, etc is a different story.

 

 

We're going to enter into semantics here, as what is "good for you" is highly subjective. One could claim that the relief marijuana gives to people with sleeplessness (insomnia) is good for them. Many other people could claim that a small amount of marijuana nightly improves their quality of life and general disposition, keeping them away from powerful psychotropic drugs like xanax to fill such needs. 

 

That being said, let's not pretend the marijuana lobby promotes pot like it's chock full of vitamins. 

 

I smoke almost daily, and have for decades. I would never term marijuana as "good for me". My view of it is....it's none of societies business if it's good or bad for me. Just like a Quaterpounder or a Whopper. We have freedom of choice, or at least we're supposed to. Free will comes with it the burden of responsibility. 

 

i.e. Alcohol is legal. Still, a person who chooses (through free will) to consume inappropriate amounts of it at inappropriate times, well their quality of life will spiral downward quickly.

 

I'll let you have the last word, as I don't want to irritate Nadine with yet another one of my political rants. 

[BloodyChamp]

We're going to enter into semantics here, as what is "good for you" is highly subjective. One could claim that the relief marijuana gives to people with sleeplessness (insomnia) is good for them. Many other people could claim that a small amount of marijuana nightly improves their quality of life and general disposition, keeping them away from powerful psychotropic drugs like xanax to fill such needs.

That being said, let's not pretend the marijuana lobby promotes pot like it's chock full of vitamins.

I smoke almost daily, and have for decades. I would never term marijuana as "good for me". My view of it is....it's none of societies business if it's good or bad for me. Just like a Quaterpounder or a Whopper. We have freedom of choice, or at least we're supposed to. Free will comes with it the burden of responsibility.

i.e. Alcohol is legal. Still, a person who chooses (through free will) to consume inappropriate amounts of it at inappropriate times, well their quality of life will spiral downward quickly.

I'll let you have the last word, as I don't want to irritate Nadine with yet another one of my political rants.

Good for you and a hard drug preventative

[Buck Showalter]

I'm buying a bicycle & moving to Amsterdamn after reading this thread...

Silly Americans...

[ruksak]

Good for you and a hard drug preventative

Could you explain this? I don't quite understand the context. 

[DougDew]

I'm sure if he got drunk every night, he'd fail the physical as well.

I think you're looking at it from the angle of the NFL being responsible for making the proper social statement, which people encourage these days...for whatever reason I can't figure.

A professional athlete should not drink alcohol or consume too many cheesburgers, or smoke Marlboros or anything else. Just like a cop shouldn't do burnouts with his patrol car, a farmer shouldn't overburben his tractor, and a carpenter shouldn't leave his tools out in the rain...professionals take care of the equipment needed to do the job at its best...and certainly shouldn't abuse it, especially for something as stupidly pointless as simple recreation.

[ruksak]

I think you're looking at it from the angle of the NFL being responsible for making the proper social statement, which people encourage these days...for whatever reason I can't figure.

A professional athlete should not drink alcohol or consume too many cheesburgers, or smoke Marlboros or anything else. Just like a cop shouldn't do burnouts with his patrol car, a farmer shouldn't overburben his tractor, and a carpenter shouldn't leave his tools out in the rain...professionals take care of the equipment needed to do the job at its best...and certainly shouldn't abuse it, especially for something as stupidly pointless as simple recreation.

^^^Exactly my point. I was addressing this flawed line that marijuana was responsible for Blount's failures. This is not the case. Blount is responsible for his failure here, because he didn't take care of himself. 

[FanFromtheWasteland]

You mean to say, until it is federally legalized, the NFL will not change their position.

I suppose it can be said that way because the feds will legalize it before every individual state gets around to it. Again jmo

[DougDew]

^^^Exactly my point. I was addressing this flawed line that marijuana was responsible for Blount's failures. This is not the case. Blount is responsible for his failure here, because he didn't take care of himself.

Yeah, but I think there is a link between his habit of smoking and him failing his physical, if not a lung and pulmonary situation but just an attitude link. I think weed is classified as a depressant and not a stimulant, so is alcohol and valium, etc. Caffeine and Adderall are stimulants. IMO, an athlete who smokes or drinks might like to "relax" a bit too much to go through the rigors of working out and staying in shape. That's my thinking. Forgetting league rules or social law, as a GM, I would frown upon a player who spent a bit too much time "relaxing", and not frown so much on someone getting caught taking Adderall. So yes, guys like Blount or Aldon Smith would be in my doghouse much quicker than Welker or those players from Seattle.

[ruksak]

Yeah, but I think there is a link between his habit of smoking and him failing his physical, if not a lung and pulmonary situation but just an attitude link. I think weed is classified as a depressant and not a stimulant, so is alcohol and valium, etc. Caffeine and Adderall are stimulants. IMO, an athlete who smokes or drinks might like to "relax" a bit too much to go through the rigors of working out and staying in shape. That's my thinking. Forgetting league rules or social law, as a GM, I would frown upon a player who spent a bit too much time "relaxing", and not frown so much on someone getting caught taking Adderall. So yes, guys like Blount or Aldon Smith would be in my doghouse much quicker than Welker or those players from Seattle.

A lot of people have gone toward vaporizing. I would think a pro athlete would certainly choose this option over traditional smoking. Vaping, as it is known, is pure water vapor and it spares the user of the ill effects of the tar found in smoke. 

[jvan1973]

Jmo but as long as it is illegal in any state, the NFL will not change their position.

the NBA doesn't test for it anymore. The NFL should follow suit

[FanFromtheWasteland]

the NBA doesn't test for it anymore. The NFL should follow suit

I do agree however what are your feelings if a player is busted for possession in a state where it is illegal? Should the league institute a punishment because of the player breaking the law? Just curious of your opinion. Nothing critical.

[DougDew]

A lot of people have gone toward vaporizing. I would think a pro athlete would certainly choose this option over traditional smoking. Vaping, as it is known, is pure water vapor and it spares the user of the ill effects of the tar found in smoke.

Either vapor or smoke, either way, IMO, it still speaks to attitude. I don't know the mental state or attitude of someone who deliberately seeks to feel "exceptionally relaxed" when not asleep, but it just seems to me that such a desire for relaxation would be inconsistent with having a job that requires excessive vigor, like professional football. I would think that someone who's mental attitude lies more towards hyperactivity would be drawn to the sport more naturally, and would therefore have a better ability to maintain themselves in the condition needed.

[ruksak]

I do agree however what are your feelings if a player is busted for possession in a state where it is illegal? Should the league institute a punishment because of the player breaking the law? Just curious of your opinion. Nothing critical.

A lot of the legal semantics revolve around federal laws, due to insurance reasons for one. Example; Workers Compensation insurance companies lobby against the legalization of marijuana. Why? Because one of their biggest outs, one of the premiere reasons they get to forego coverage is when people are injured at work and they fail a drug test before being allowed to return. 

 

Problem being; Marijuana is the one and only drug that gets stored and slowly released in your body's fatty tissue, taking up to a full month to clear. Meaning that if you smoke a joint on the weekend, and 2 and half weeks later some * runs over your foot at work, you get fired and have to pay your own medical bills based off the faulty assumption that you were "stoned" at work and this led to the injury. 

 

Since insurance companies often operate based off of federal guidelines, they will always lean on federal drug laws to validate denying coverage. I'm not sure exactly how this ties into the NFL, as it is in fact a workplace, but I'm sure it's part of the tangled web. 

[ruksak]

Either vapor or smoke, either way, IMO, it still speaks to attitude. I don't know the mental state or attitude of someone who deliberately seeks to feel "exceptionally relaxed" when not asleep, but it just seems to me that such a desire for relaxation would be inconsistent with having a job that requires excessive vigor, like professional football. I would think that someone who's mental attitude lies more towards hyperactivity would be drawn to the sport more naturally, and would therefore have a better ability to maintain themselves in the condition needed.

I'd dare say you're operating with a faulty preconception of your average, casual marijuana smoker. This idea that pot smokers sit around on the couch playing XBOX all day while munching chips is a bit old school, don't ya think? 

 

Is that you, Bill O'Reilly? 

 

Question for you, Doug. Do you currently, or have you ever, consumed alcohol casually after work? 

[FanFromtheWasteland]

A lot of the legal semantics revolve around federal laws, due to insurance reasons for one. Example; Workers Compensation insurance companies lobby against the legalization of marijuana. Why? Because one of their biggest outs, one of the premiere reasons they get to forego coverage is when people are injured at work and they fail a drug test before being allowed to return.

Problem being; Marijuana is the one and only drug that gets stored and slowly released in your body's fatty tissue, taking up to a full month to clear. Meaning that if you smoke a joint on the weekend, and 2 and half weeks later some * runs over your foot at work, you get fired and have to pay your own medical bills based off the faulty assumption that you were "stoned" at work and this led to the injury.

Since insurance companies often operate based off of federal guidelines, they will always lean on federal drug laws to validate denying coverage. I'm not sure exactly how this ties into the NFL, as it is in fact a workplace, but I'm sure it's part of the tangled web.

Really doesn't matter how long it takes to vacate the body. Are you saying it would be ok to take steriods if they vacated they body in 12 hours and couldn't be detected? Pot is federally illegal right or wrong. If it is in your system you broke the law. However my question wasn't a positive test but one of possession in a state where it is illegal. Also cocaine use can be tested for just as long in hair samples

[ruksak]

Really doesn't matter how long it takes to vacate the body. Are you saying it would be ok to take steriods if they vacated they body in 12 hours and couldn't be detected? 

Comparing steroids to marijuana is apples and oranges. One is a recreational narcotic, the other is....well it's steroids. If steroids got people high, we'd have a society full of muscle bound stoners. 

 

My point was the fallacy that marijuana is affecting your faculties just because it's in your "system". While stored in your fatty cells, the active ingredient is NOT causing any tangible level of impairment. When anti-pot lobbyists purport car crash statistics involving marijuana smokers, they use this aspect to bolster the numbers to make it appear far worse than it is. A person gets into a car crash weeks after smoking, they test "positive", and there it appears in their statistics column. Even though the marijuana had absolutely nothing to do with the accident at all, they make it appear so. 

 

 

 

Pot is federally illegal right or wrong. If it is in your system you broke the law. However my question wasn't a positive test but one of possession in a state where it is illegal. 

We understand all that, and that is why some of us have worked so hard for so long to see it recognized as legal on a federal level. As it is, NFL players should abstain and concentrate on their careers. They have their entire post-career lives to enjoy their millions and smoke all the dope they want. Why this is hard hard for so many, I'll never understand. 

[DougDew]

I'd dare say you're operating with a faulty preconception of your average, casual marijuana smoker. This idea that pot smokers sit around on the couch playing XBOX all day while munching chips is a bit old school, don't ya think? 

 

Is that you, Bill O'Reilly? 

 

Question for you, Doug. Do you currently, or have you ever, consumed alcohol casually after work?

I haven't intentionally bought an alcoholic drink in years. Nothing against it, just no reason to make a point of doing it. I used to go out drinking every weekend for about 5 years when I was younger. Would drive back from the bars surely over .08 every time. Seriously, about 52 weekends times 5. Never got into a wreck or arrested, thank goodness.

Then I stopped liking the effect of alcohol as it makes me relaxed and fall asleep. I discovered that living my days being less than completely conscious makes it harder for me to enjoy life. Apparently, Blount's record shows that he feels the opposite. I assume people ingest substances to cause an intended effect they like. I don't think that's perception.

Again, as a GM, a player who liked that feeling would cause me concern.

[FanFromtheWasteland]

Comparing steroids to marijuana is apples and oranges. One is a recreational narcotic, the other is....well it's steroids. If steroids got people high, we'd have a society full of muscle bound stoners.

My point was the fallacy that marijuana is affecting your faculties just because it's in your "system". While stored in your fatty cells, the active ingredient is NOT causing any tangible level of impairment. When anti-pot lobbyists purport car crash statistics involving marijuana smokers, they use this aspect to bolster the numbers to make it appear far worse than it is. A person gets into a car crash weeks after smoking, they test "positive", and there it appears in their statistics column. Even though the marijuana had absolutely nothing to do with the accident at all, they make it appear so.

We understand all that, and that is why some of us have worked so hard for so long to see it recognized as legal on a federal level. As it is, NFL players should abstain and concentrate on their careers. They have their entire post-career lives to enjoy their millions and smoke all the dope they want. Why this is hard hard for so many, I'll never understand.

Ok. Let's just put the detection aside. I do agree that it should be irrelevant. My original question still is what do you think the nfl should do about a player that is busted for POSSESSION. Do you understand that. Possession. Right or wrong it is still illegal. What should the nfl do about someone who breaks the CURRENT law