Deflategate Central (one thread, merged, moderated)

[NFLfan]

Some information from what the NFL filed.

"Brady tiptoed around preference for 12.5 PSI"

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/08/04/at-hearing-brady-tiptoes-around-preference-for-12-5-psi/

[Superman]

Notice.   Plan and simple.   Wells is leading an investigation and is the one that is corresponding with the witnesses and the same are reacting to his direction.   Also, he is the last time in which the NFL can covey to Brady that withholding the cell phone will result in anything worst or different than what has happened in the past by other players.

 

If an action A results in punishment X

 

And person H does not tell person K that action A can result in a punishment Y, then . . .

 

person K can not be given punishment Y.

 

Surely it is not person H's responsibility one way or the other, but it does remove the opportunity for the folks who want to impose punishment Y when they have never don't if before.   If you have not done it and person H does not say it, then you can not imposed it.  Plain and simple.  

 

Yeah, that's not true at all.

[Girlzarefanstoo]

Notice.   Plan and simple.   Wells is leading an investigation and is the one that is corresponding with the witnesses and the same are reacting to his direction.   Also, he is the last time in which the NFL can covey to Brady that withholding the cell phone will result in anything worst or different than what has happened in the past by other players.

 

If an action A results in punishment X

 

And person H does not tell person K that action A can result in a punishment Y, then . . .

 

person K can not be given punishment Y.

 

Surely it is not person H's responsibility one way or the other, but it does remove the opportunity for the folks who want to impose punishment Y when they have never don't if before.   If you have not done it and person H does not say it, then you can not imposed it.  Plain and simple.  

This argument is incoherent.  

 

There is always a first time for a punishment, when it's the first time that particular violation has occured.  No one's hands are tied when there is a new violation, it will correspondingly have a new level of punishment.  Think back to the very first time someone was found to have steriods in their system.  New violation - new precedent is set.

 

When they determined the punishment, the NFL tried to find an equivalent violation and give an equivalent measure of punishment.

 

If the Patriot's hadn't cheated before and it wasn't the second major team violation, the penalty would have been different.  

[Yehoodi]

Yeah, that's not true at all.

 

sorry but it is . . . you think what you want to think and I will do the same . . . I am not the one trying to enforce a 4 game suspension for what happened.

[GoColts8818]

I doubt there is anything new in this that is going to make people change their opinions just like their hasn't been anything to make people change their opinions since the night of the AFCCG. The amount of energy being spent on both sides to try to do just that is amazing.

[Superman]

sorry but it is . . . you think what you want to think and I will do the same . . . I am not the one trying to enforce a 4 game suspension for what happened.

 

Neither am I, so you can reserve that for someone else.

 

However, on two counts, you're wrong:

 

1) Wells wasn't responsible for administering punishment, and Brady was aware of that. He was merely the investigator, and as such, it was not his responsibility to inform Brady of any potential punishment for either his role in the matter or his level of cooperation in the investigation.

 

2) Brady was thusly informed of the potential for punishment. It's in the CBA, and it's in his player contract, discussing conduct detrimental. That is the authority Goodell used to punish Brady, and there's plenty of precedent for it, therefore, it's no surprise to anyone -- including Brady and his representatives -- that he could be subject to punishment from the Commissioner. (Again, from the Commissioner, not the investigator.)

[Yehoodi]

Neither am I, so you can reserve that for someone else.

 

However, on two counts, you're wrong:

 

1) Wells wasn't responsible for administering punishment, and Brady was aware of that. He was merely the investigator, and as such, it was not his responsibility to inform Brady of any potential punishment for either his role in the matter or his level of cooperation in the investigation.

 

2) Brady was thusly informed of the potential for punishment. It's in the CBA, and it's in his player contract, discussing conduct detrimental. That is the authority Goodell used to punish Brady, and there's plenty of precedent for it, therefore, it's no surprise to anyone -- including Brady and his representatives -- that he could be subject to punishment from the Commissioner. (Again, from the Commissioner, not the investigator.)

 

No that is okay I do not mind reserving if for you.  .

 

First off, I did NOT say that it was Wells responsibility to do this, my point WAS that prior to giving a discipline the recipient needs to be on notice of the potential discipline.  And my only point was that Wells was the last opportunity to do so.  After all he is the attorney for the NFL in the end.   I think you and I can at least agree the investigation and the after math was not exactly a true independent affair.   Now in the end it may not have matter, but the point Brady is making, is there was never any notice that non cooperation would result in a suspension.  And the fact that Wells is silent on the matter only corroborates this point.

 

Second, I am not sure where you are getting this notice.  Where exactly in the CBA was it agreed by the players association that a person can be suspended for not handing over a cell phone and/or not cooperating with an NFL investigation.  While looking for that you can also try to find me a discipline, ever, handed out by the NFL, which was upheld on appeal/arbitration/court, which a suspension has been imposed when players have bucked an investigation.  I can find one.  And when I do there are all fines.  It is practice of the NFL and the same must accept its own practice and how it runs is shop.

 

As for the NFL being able to imposed anything in relation to anything that is deemed to be conduct detrimental, Goodell made that point nullified when he delegated the initial hearing.

 

You and Goodell may not like to hear this but this thing falls under the ole "don't worry I will do this and pay the fine later"  Happens plenty of times.   

[Yehoodi]

This argument is incoherent.  

 

There is always a first time for a punishment, when it's the first time that particular violation has occured.  No one's hands are tied when there is a new violation, it will correspondingly have a new level of punishment.  Think back to the very first time someone was found to have steriods in their system.  New violation - new precedent is set.

 

When they determined the punishment, the NFL tried to find an equivalent violation and give an equivalent measure of punishment.

 

If the Patriot's hadn't cheated before and it wasn't the second major team violation, the penalty would have been different.  

 

What you do not understand and fail to understand is that with respect to Brady non handing over his cell phone is nothing new.  It is merely a player that is bucking the system by non cooperating.  This has happened countless times and there is nothing new here. 

 

Indeed if you recall our discussion last week regarding the SD towels, the NFL only fined the team for not cooperating.  True once they, on appeal, agreed that there was no non cooperation they lifted the fine.  But this did NOT change the fact that the NFL initially imposed the fine as they initially thought there was no cooperation by the ball boys avoiding the refs.  And the actions by SD was exactly what were are dealing with here: actions by a club to gain an advantage in regards to the interaction of the player's hand and the football.  (btw, I am not conceding that Brady did anything wrong, just saying for the sake of this particular discussion).

 

In SD it was a sticky substance that can be wiped on a ball or glove via a towel, with the pats is a ball deflation to get a ball that is more easily gripped by a player.   There are both the same, actions in violation of NFL rules to gain an advantage with respect to a players interaction with the ball.  And any non cooperation of the investigation of the same is the same level of "heinous" non cooperation as the underlying crime is the same.   You may not like to hear that, but that is just life.  If one tries to hide an incriminating towel or hide a incriminating text, its the same thing, whether you like it or not.

 

And like I mentioned to Supes above, you need to give notice and just as critical you need to be consistent with your rulings.  And when the NFL investigated the chargers and found (initially) that an employee tried to hide an incriminating towel they fine the team 20K, which is along the lines of what the NFL should have done to Brady for trying to hide incriminating texts. (and again I am not conceding that he did just that if he did what would the penalty be).

 

And again as I mentioned to Supes above, this, whether you like it or not, falls under the ole "I will just do X and play the fine later"   

[Superman]

No that is okay I do not mind reserving if for you.  .

 

First off, I did NOT say that it was Wells responsibility to do this, my point WAS that prior to giving a discipline the recipient needs to be on notice of the potential discipline.  And my only point was that Wells was the last opportunity to do so.  After all he is the attorney for the NFL in the end.   I think you and I can at least agree the investigation and the after math was not exactly a true independent affair.   Now in the end it may not have matter, but the point Brady is making, is there was never any notice that non cooperation would result in a suspension.  And the fact that Wells is silent on the matter only corroborates this point.

 

Second, I am not sure where you are getting this notice.  Where exactly in the CBA was it agreed by the players association that a person can be suspended for not handing over a cell phone and/or not cooperating with an NFL investigation.  While looking for that you can also try to find me a discipline, ever, handed out by the NFL, which was upheld on appeal/arbitration/court, which a suspension has been imposed when players have bucked an investigation.  I can find one.  And when I do there are all fines.  It is practice of the NFL and the same must accept its own practice and how it runs is shop.

 

As for the NFL being able to imposed anything in relation to anything that is deemed to be conduct detrimental, Goodell made that point nullified when he delegated the initial hearing.

 

You and Goodell may not like to hear this but this thing falls under the ole "don't worry I will do this and pay the fine later"  Happens plenty of times.   

 

Again, I'm not trying to enforce anything. 

 

1) Wells is not the attorney for the NFL. He operated as the investigator for the NFL. And as such, it was not his responsibility to inform Brady of any potential punishment for his role or his withholding cooperation. 

 

2) The CBA authorizes the Commissioner to punish players for conduct detrimental, and that is reiterated in every player contract. Brady was suspended for conduct detrimental.

 

Goodell didn't delegate the punishment (I assume that's what you're saying). That point is addressed in his ruling last week. So there's that.

 

I don't have any idea what your last line means.

[Bubbz]

Is it Brady's fault that his phone broke? . . Things can happen at just the wrong time.

Also one would think that this text would be on Jag's phone.

Will be interesting to see if the court pushes to get the phone companies to track down the texts. I tend to believe those folks that say the texts can be tracked down.

Yeah it is Brady's fault his phone broke, he destroyed it, right before the investigation. Then claimed this is regular practice for him, and he didn't destroy his last phone

[Bubbz]

He can't lie he is under oath. Hello. That why we have oaths.

What world do u live in?

[ColtsBlueFL]

BIG News - Judge Berman orders NFL-NFLPA to not file documents under seal, http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/08/04/judge-berman-orders-nfl-nflpa-to-not-file-documents-under-seal/

 

Brady's appeal will become public. Brew some coffee. This will be a delicious read.

 

Also, many are surmising that this order by the judge is to nudge the NFL to settle as they did not want these records public.

 

 

Here is the official order:

 

*************************************************************************************************************************************************

July 31, 2015 00:00

Scheduling Order

 

Document: 20

ORDER: Thank you for your letter, dated July 31, 2015. I found it helpful. It is "OK" to file a public version of the answer and counterclaim as you request. I always have considerable difficulty approving any sealed documents, given the keen public interest in these matters and the public's right to know. It's up to you whether to file any sealed motions or sealed document applications at this time. I have two further suggestions: First, because I already have a good understanding of your positions from your submissions to date, you need only each file a 15 page double spaced memo (further supporting your positions) by August 7, 2015. In the nature of a reply brief, perhaps. Second, I am scheduling a status/settlement conference for Wednesday, August 12,2015 at 11:00 a.m., with your principals (including, without limitation, Mr. Goodell and Mr. Brady). Let's see what we can accomplish at that conference and if there is a need for more written submissions, the August 14, 2015 submission date you propose is fine. I am also scheduling a status/settlement/oral argument conference for Wednesday, August 19, 2015 at 10:00 a.m., again with your principals (including, without limitation, Mr. Goodell and Mr. Brady). Please jointly confirm all dates by 3:00 p.m. on Monday, August 3, 2015, tel: (212) 805-6715. Lastly, I request that you all engage in comprehensive, good-faith settlement discussions prior to the conference on August 12,2015. Magistrate Judge James C. Francis, IV is available to assist you if you wish. Settlement Conference set for 8/12/2015 at 11:00 AM before Judge Richard M. Berman. Settlement Conference set for 8/19/2015 at 10:00 AM before Judge Richard M. Berman. (Signed by Judge Richard M. Berman on 7/31/2015) (kgo)

 

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order to refer case to Magistrate Judge for General Pretrial:

 

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July 31, 2015 00:00

Order Referring Case to Magistrate Judge

Document: 25

ORDER REFERRING CASE TO MAGISTRATE JUDGE. Order that case be referred to the Clerk of Court for assignment to a Magistrate Judge for General Pretrial (includes scheduling, discovery, non-dispositive pretrial motions, and settlement). Referred to Magistrate Judge James C. Francis. (Signed by Judge Richard M. Berman on 7/31/2015) (kgo)

 

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[ColtRider]

Notice.   Plan and simple.   Wells is leading an investigation and is the one that is corresponding with the witnesses and the same are reacting to his direction.   Also, he is the last time in which the NFL can covey to Brady that withholding the cell phone will result in anything worst or different than what has happened in the past by other players.

 

If an action A results in punishment X

 

And person H does not tell person K that action A can result in a punishment Y, then . . .

 

person K can not be given punishment Y.

 

Surely it is not person H's responsibility one way or the other, but it does remove the opportunity for the folks who want to impose punishment Y when they have never don't if before.   If you have not done it and person H does not say it, then you can not imposed it.  Plain and simple.

Uh-huh. And theoretical physics can tie an elephant's tail to the stem of a daisy while hanging over a cliff. (Ref: JFK) Use your sense. Your common sense. Brady is guilty, brother. At the very least, cheating. At the very most, a lot more than that via missing texts if true.

[Girlzarefanstoo]

What you do not understand and fail to understand is that with respect to Brady non handing over his cell phone is nothing new.  It is merely a player that is bucking the system by non cooperating.  This has happened countless times and there is nothing new here. 

 

Indeed if you recall our discussion last week regarding the SD towels, the NFL only fined the team for not cooperating.  True once they, on appeal, agreed that there was no non cooperation they lifted the fine.  But this did NOT change the fact that the NFL initially imposed the fine as they initially thought there was no cooperation by the ball boys avoiding the refs.  And the actions by SD was exactly what were are dealing with here: actions by a club to gain an advantage in regards to the interaction of the player's hand and the football.  (btw, I am not conceding that Brady did anything wrong, just saying for the sake of this particular discussion).

 

In SD it was a sticky substance that can be wiped on a ball or glove via a towel, with the pats is a ball deflation to get a ball that is more easily gripped by a player.   There are both the same, actions in violation of NFL rules to gain an advantage with respect to a players interaction with the ball.  And any non cooperation of the investigation of the same is the same level of "heinous" non cooperation as the underlying crime is the same.   You may not like to hear that, but that is just life.  If one tries to hide an incriminating towel or hide a incriminating text, its the same thing, whether you like it or not.

 

And like I mentioned to Supes above, you need to give notice and just as critical you need to be consistent with your rulings.  And when the NFL investigated the chargers and found (initially) that an employee tried to hide an incriminating towel they fine the team 20K, which is along the lines of what the NFL should have done to Brady for trying to hide incriminating texts. (and again I am not conceding that he did just that if he did what would the penalty be).

 

And again as I mentioned to Supes above, this, whether you like it or not, falls under the ole "I will just do X and play the fine later"   

Wrong - again on several fronts.  

 

1.  There was NO RULE in place in the towel issue.  You know this but conveniently keep claiming there was a rule.  Additionally, there was no "sticky" substance on the towel, the towel itself was somewhat tacky and was widely used in the league.  After the issue, the league created a rule.  They found no rule violation.  They eventually also found no obstruction or non-cooperation.  

 

2.  The Patriots balls were handled illegally and broke the chain of possession rules when they were absconded from the refs' dressing room.  There is NEVER a reason they should have been touched and no reason at all for an experienced team employee to do so that can be explained in any other way than to do wrong with them.  

 

3.  Their measurements after that possession were measured significantly below the standard.

 

4.  There is no other event of this magnitude that I can think of.  There was intent.  This was a significant breaking of protocol.  This is a league which has generally worked on an honor system, with a "trust but verify" approach. The Patriots, once again, took advantage of the fact that no one could imagine them trying to gain a small but potentially significant advantage by BREAKING A CLEAR RULE.

[ColtsBlueFL]

The NFLPA is the party that filed the transcripts under seal, yet you think it's the NFL that wants them kept private... ?

 

Also, the NFLPA used arguments that were presented in the Ray Rice and Adrian Peterson cases in their appeal. Arguments that the NFLPA asked to have sealed in both of those cases. 

 

Perhaps both parties want these transcripts kept private. But so far, it's been the NFLPA taking the actions to try to keep them that way. Yet you somehow put it on the NFL. 

 

 

Here is something that appears to address these items between NFL and NFLPA-

 

***************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************

 

July 31, 2015 00:00

Scheduling Order

Document: 20

ORDER: Thank you for your letter, dated July 31, 2015. I found it helpful. It is "OK" to file a public version of the answer and counterclaim as you request. I always have considerable difficulty approving any sealed documents, given the keen public interest in these matters and the public's right to know. It's up to you whether to file any sealed motions or sealed document applications at this time. I have two further suggestions: First, because I already have a good understanding of your positions from your submissions to date, you need only each file a 15 page double spaced memo (further supporting your positions) by August 7, 2015. In the nature of a reply brief, perhaps. Second, I am scheduling a status/settlement conference for Wednesday, August 12,2015 at 11:00 a.m., with your principals (including, without limitation, Mr. Goodell and Mr. Brady). Let's see what we can accomplish at that conference and if there is a need for more written submissions, the August 14, 2015 submission date you propose is fine. I am also scheduling a status/settlement/oral argument conference for Wednesday, August 19, 2015 at 10:00 a.m., again with your principals (including, without limitation, Mr. Goodell and Mr. Brady). Please jointly confirm all dates by 3:00 p.m. on Monday, August 3, 2015, tel: (212) 805-6715. Lastly, I request that you all engage in comprehensive, good-faith settlement discussions prior to the conference on August 12,2015. Magistrate Judge James C. Francis, IV is available to assist you if you wish. Settlement Conference set for 8/12/2015 at 11:00 AM before Judge Richard M. Berman. Settlement Conference set for 8/19/2015 at 10:00 AM before Judge Richard M. Berman. (Signed by Judge Richard M. Berman on 7/31/2015) (kgo)

 

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[ViriLudant]

Gee, which party wanted this appeal sealed?

The NFLPA wanted it to go public immediately.

p. 90/343

"MR. KESSLER: No, but one other thing on the record, I would like the NFL to think about this: We have had this issue back and forth and we propose that there not be confidentiality in this matter and the NFL said they wanted confidentiality and we agreed to something and it was there.

I would like to propose on behalf of the Union that we can release this transcript of this today. I would like the NFL to think about that. That's our proposal. Despite that, I'm not talking about any of the underlying things, but at least the transcript. I think there is a great public interest in this and in the interest of transparency, that would be something that we would like to see done. So I will submit my proposal for the NFL to consider as to whether that's possible or not.

MR. LEVY: Pending the agreement, the transcript is confidential.

MR. NASH: Yes. "

[ColtsBlueFL]

He can't lie he is under oath.  Hello.  That why we have oaths.

 

Brady on cross examination: "I never in the history of my career, I never thought about the inflation level of a ball."

 

case closed.  .

 

 

http://larrybrownsports.com/football/tom-brady-equipment-staff-game-ball-rules-officials/268694

 

"Second, at least by the time of the AFC Championship Game, the inflation level of the footballs was a matter of particular interest to Mr. Brady. He told the Patriots’ equipment staff that he wanted the footballs inflated at the lowest permissible level; he reviewed a highlighted copy of the provision of the Playing Rules that addressed inflation of footballs; and he instructed the equipment staff to present a copy of the rule to the game officials. On the day of the AFC Championship Game, Mr. McNally told referee Walt Anderson that Mr. Brady wanted the balls inflated to a pressure of 12.5 psi. He told the investigators that “Tom … always has me pass a message to the Official’s [sic] that he likes the balls at the minimum permissible PSI of 12.5. … I know this is what Tom wants, and I have been personally told by him of the ball weight preference.”

 

[amfootball]

So we have confirmation that the Ravens tipped off the Colts about the balls. Pretty much makes John Harbaugh a big liar. Not that I believed him anyways.

 

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/08/04/ravens-assistant-alerted-colts-to-issue-with-footballs/

[AndreRison]

https://twitter.com/AlbertBreer/status/628688756229468161

So he had over 10,000 texts and 3 to Jastremski are missing?!! That kinda deflates the argument, why do they need Brady's phone if they have the other 2 guys phone.

[RockThatBlue]

The fact that you don't read the links simply demonstrated that you and others are ESPN lemmings. That's what is proven. There are hard facts in the links we posted.

But no, you'd rather pull the wool over your own eyes and scream "LALALALALALALALALALALALA!!!! BRADY IS TEH DEBIL!!! We now always believe Goodell, even though we hated him previously!!!!"

Have you ever posted hard facts?

[RockThatBlue]

The bolded above is the problem actually.

With regard to this whole mess, Brady and the Patriots have done some things that look suspicious but those things pale in comparison to the NFL's incompetent smear campaign designed to pander to the rubes (present company included). I'm not going to bother linking articles or discussing the situation objectively, this isn't really the place for that obviously.

"Some things that look suspicious" lol really?

And there is no smear campaign.

[RockThatBlue]

Oh, and 3 out of 4 Colt balls were found under the legal limit. Why do people deliberately lie about that?

Link? I won't hold my breath

[amfootball]

During the appeal Kessler asked NFL to make appeal records public to stop the back and forth and appear transparent. NFL declined.

 

p. 90/343

"MR. KESSLER: No, but one other thing on the record, I would like the NFL to think about this: We have had this issue back and forth and we propose that there not be confidentiality in this matter and the NFL said they wanted confidentiality and we agreed to something and it was there.

I would like to propose on behalf of the Union that we can release this transcript of this today. I would like the NFL to think about that. That's our proposal. Despite that, I'm not talking about any of the underlying things, but at least the transcript. I think there is a great public interest in this and in the interest of transparency, that would be something that we would like to see done. So I will submit my proposal for the NFL to consider as to whether that's possible or not.

MR. LEVY: Pending the agreement, the transcript is confidential.

MR. NASH: Yes. "
 

[AndreRison]

So we have confirmation that the Ravens tipped off the Colts about the balls. Pretty much makes John Harbaugh a big liar. Not that I believed him anyways.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/08/04/ravens-assistant-alerted-colts-to-issue-with-footballs/

10,000 texts, and the 3 that are missing are to Jastremski?!!

You know what's hilarious, I keep hearing how much power Kraft and Brady have...

Brady tells Harbaugh to check the rulebook...

Then Harbaugh drops the hammer, Brady ends up in court

I'm so glad Harbaugh told Grigson.

I'm so glad Grigson to the league.

I'm so glad the Colts leaked it to Kravitz.

[amfootball]

10,000 texts, and the 3 that are missing are to Jastremski?!!

You know what's hilarious, I keep hearing how much power Kraft and Brady have...

Brady tells Harbaugh to check the rulebook...

Then Harbaugh drops the hammer, Brady ends up in court

I'm so glad Harbaugh told Grigson.

I'm so glad Grigson to the league.

I'm so glad the Colts leaked it to Kravitz.

LOL. They had Jastremiski's phone. Or did you already forget.

 

You can feel good if you want BUT I would be completely embarrassed today if I was a fan of either the Ravens or Colts.

[ViriLudant]

10,000 texts, and the 3 that are missing are to Jastremski?!!

You know what's hilarious, I keep hearing how much power Kraft and Brady have...

Brady tells Harbaugh to check the rulebook...

Then Harbaugh drops the hammer, Brady ends up in court

I'm so glad Harbaugh told Grigson.

I'm so glad Grigson to the league.

I'm so glad the Colts leaked it to Kravitz.

28-0, second half.

Brady won his 4th SB ring.

Believe me, the Colts childishly leaking this didn't help them at all.

[ponyboy]

If an action A results in punishment X

 

And person H does not tell person K that action A can result in a punishment Y, then . . .

 

person K can not be given punishment Y.

 

Surely it is not person H's responsibility one way or the other, but it does remove the opportunity for the folks who want to impose punishment Y

 

Is the answer 3?

[AndreRison]

LOL. They had Jastremiski's phone. Or did you already forget.

You can feel good if you want BUT I would be completely embarrassed today if I was a fan of either the Ravens or Colts.

Embarrassed?!! Embarrassed?!!! Lol!!

What are the odds Harbaugh is the guy who got the ball rolling on Brady not following the rulebook? I guess John took him serious, and now we have Tommy destroying phones.

Patriot fans were eating up the coverage about formation gate. Oh wow, look, Bill took advantage of a grey area in the rulebook.

The rest of the NFL fans are eating up the coverage about deflategate. Oh wow, look, Bill threw Tommy under the bus. Brady's dodging and weaving but the bus has hit him head on.

Thank You John Harbaugh.

[ColtsBlueFL]

So we have confirmation that the Ravens tipped off the Colts about the balls. Pretty much makes John Harbaugh a big liar. Not that I believed him anyways.

 

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/08/04/ravens-assistant-alerted-colts-to-issue-with-footballs/

 

What?  No more screaming for the Blood of Kensil?  "Next man up, get in the crosshairs!"

 

So now it must be a Harbaugh/Grigson sting setup...

 

 

EDIT:  Yup!!  Right below!

 

 

LOL. They had Jastremiski's phone. Or did you already forget.

 

You can feel good if you want BUT I would be completely embarrassed today if I was a fan of either the Ravens or Colts.

 

????????????  I know I don't...

[Girlzarefanstoo]

LOL. They had Jastremiski's phone. Or did you already forget.

 

You can feel good if you want BUT I would be completely embarrassed today if I was a fan of either the Ravens or Colts.

I think that you have clearly demonstrated that you are entirely incapable of feeling embarassed no matter how unintelligible your arguments become...

[OffensivelyPC]

28-0, second half.

Brady won his 4th SB ring.

Believe me, the Colts childishly leaking this didn't help them at all.

Forever tainted.

[AndreRison]

28-0, second half.

Brady won his 4th SB ring.

Believe me, the Colts childishly leaking this didn't help them at all.

I know, that Kravitz leak was petty. Good thing they were petty, though. The NFL couldn't sweep it under the rug.

Be honest, back before the AFCCG, you didn't think you would be on a Colts message board in early August talking about Brady cheating in that game?

It just goes to show, you don't want to set a precedent on cheating.

Brady would have been better off taking steroids.

[ColtRider]

28-0, second half.

Brady won his 4th SB ring.

Believe me, the Colts childishly leaking this didn't help them at all.

Great Goog-Li-Moog-Li, VL! This thing is not about how dominating the Patriots were in the AFCCG. It's not about how the story was leaked to the press or the Colts. It's not about how big and bad the NFL is to it's franchises. It's not about how Roger Goodell is "deh debil". It's not about how things have been done in the past/post NFL years of rulings. It's about one thing, and one thing only ...

C H E A T I N G ! That's it. Nothing more, nothing less. (Oh yeah, and trying to COVER IT UP! Forgot to add that little tidbit!) (Oh yeah, and NON-COOPERATION! Forgot to add that third tidbit!) (Oh yeah, and DESTRUCTION of EVIDENCE! Forgot to add that fourth tidbit)

Oh yeah, and Oh yeah, and Oh yeah ....

[ColtsBlueFL]

messed up the earlier reply.  Trying again...

 

Posted Today, 08:26 PM

Superman, on 04 Aug 2015 - 4:52 PM, said:

The NFLPA is the party that filed the transcripts under seal, yet you think it's the NFL that wants them kept private... ?

 

Also, the NFLPA used arguments that were presented in the Ray Rice and Adrian Peterson cases in their appeal. Arguments that the NFLPA asked to have sealed in both of those cases. 

 

Perhaps both parties want these transcripts kept private. But so far, it's been the NFLPA taking the actions to try to keep them that way. Yet you somehow put it on the NFL. 

 

 

Here is something more that appears to address these items between NFL and NFLPA-

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Order

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ORDER: Based upon the record herein, the Court directs as follows: 1- While this litigation is ongoing, it is appropriate (and helpful) for all counsel and all parties in this case to tone down their rhetoric; 2- The Court greatly appreciates the Hon. Richard H. Kyle's (U.S.D.J. Minnesota) involvement in and speedy review of the National Football League Players Association case against the National Football League filed in Minnesota. See Order dated July 30, 2015, I5 cv 3168 (RHK/HB) ("The Court appreciates no 'compelling circumstances' undermining application of the first-filed rule to transfer this action from Minnesota to New York, where the first action was filed."); 3- If they have not already done so, the parties and counsel are directed forthwith actively to begin to pursue a mutually acceptable resolution of this case; 4- The timetable set forth in the Court's July 29, 2015 memo endorsement remains in effect. Please also see the Court's individual rules regarding motion practice. (The earth is already sufficiently scorched, in the Court's view.) 5- The Court is fully prepared to devote the time and attention necessary to help the parties resolve this case via litigation and/or by mutual consent. (Signed by Judge Richard M. Berman on 7/30/2015) (kgo)

 

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[AndreRison]

Wells, Wells, Wells, it seems Tom admitted to destroying the phone. I mean, his assistant.

So, this past week Patriot fans were saying Brady accidently broke it. I'm glad this wasn't sealed. It gets tiring listening to Bob Costas spin this narrative.

Typing this, I was reminded of Adam Schefter going on a New England radio show, claiming he heard people saying The Colts were the ones that deflated the intercepted ball, and it was the only one deflated. Thanks Adam Schefter, it's funny all these months later.

[jabbanobadda]

I think that you have clearly demonstrated that you are entirely incapable of feeling embarassed no matter how unintelligible your arguments become...

Yeah, not very bright if you ask me.

[jvan1973]

Guys, cheating is ok if you win

All patriots fans

[JlynRN]

LOL. They had Jastremiski's phone. Or did you already forget.

 

You can feel good if you want BUT I would be completely embarrassed today if I was a fan of either the Ravens or Colts.

 

I'd be even MORE embarrassed to be a fan of the Patriots !!!   The culture of cheating is running rampant in NE !!!

[crazycolt1]

LOL. They had Jastremiski's phone. Or did you already forget.

 

You can feel good if you want BUT I would be completely embarrassed today if I was a fan of either the Ravens or Colts.

Lets see?  Last time I checked the Colts or the Ravens were not under investigation. The Colts and or the Ravens have never been found guilty of actions detrimental to the league not once, but twice. The Colts or the Ravens have never been fined or lost draft picks at the rate of the Patriots because action detrimental to the league. You seem to be one of many Patriot fans who should be embarrassed because of what Brady has cost your team. So no, I am not embarrassed one bit.

[crazycolt1]

28-0, second half.

Brady won his 4th SB ring.

Believe me, the Colts childishly leaking this didn't help them at all.

The score of the game has zero to do with this. But you can gloat all you care to because that's is what you have become now.