Andrew Luck posts a league best Stat

[TKnight24]

Interesting Stat here & just something to talk about since we've officially hit the down part of the off season

Andrew Luck is 33-4 (.892) when Colts allow fewer than 29 points. That's really good. Best since 2012.

— Scott Kacsmar (@FO_ScottKacsmar)

June 26, 2015

This Stat is including playoff games as well for those wondering.

And for those of you who like to compare Luck to other young QB's, here's a Russell Wilson Stat

@FO_ScottKacsmar @mchappell51 To contrast, Russell Wilson has never won a game in which his opponent scored 25+ points (0-7).

— My Colts Account (@MyColtsAccount)

June 26, 2015

[Dustin]

This Stat is including playoff games as well for those wondering. And if my math is correct, all 4 of those losses are from Brady & the

 

It isn't. 

[TKnight24]

It isn't.

You're right, read the tweet wrong.

[Coffeedrinker]

Your math is wrong.

 

2012: Jax 22 Colts 17

2012: WC_Colts 9 Ravens 24

2013:  Miami 24 Colts 20

2013: Colts 9 San Diego 19

 

As sad as it is, the Colts have not held the Patriots to less than 29 points in the Luck era.

[TKnight24]

Your math is wrong.

2012: Jax 22 Colts 17

2012: WC_Colts 9 Ravens 24

2013: Miami 24 Colts 20

2013: Colts 9 San Diego 19

As sad as it is, the Colts have not held the Patriots to less than 29 points in the Luck era.

Yeah, not really a morning person. Brain function doesn't kick in at 100% until around 12:30pm

But hey, I'm human mistakes will happen

[21isSuperman]

That Russell Wilson piece is interesting

[Superman]

The Russell Wilson stat isn't really a contrast. It's just a different stat entirely. Also, QB wins aren't a thing. Can't wait until the "this QB's record is X" stuff goes away entirely.

 

But point taken: Don't give up 29 points and the Colts will win 90% of the time. In other words, complete defensive failures pretty much doom this team. Not surprising, really.

[TKnight24]

The Russell Wilson stat isn't really a contrast. It's just a different stat entirely. Also, QB wins aren't a thing. Can't wait until the "this QB's record is X" stuff goes away entirely.

But point taken: Don't give up 29 points and the Colts will win 90% of the time. In other words, complete defensive failures pretty much doom this team. Not surprising, really.

Well the Wilson stat came about cause someone posted in response that Wilson should be highest paid and all that so they were showing that he doesn't really have the numbers Luck does when asked to score 25+ and all that other stuff. It's a long debate under the tweet about all that

Then there's one guy who just keeps responding that Luck chokes in the playoffs and has barely made the playoffs every year etc etc

[Superman]

Well the Wilson stat came about cause someone posted in response that Wilson should be highest paid and all that so they were showing that he doesn't really have the numbers Luck does when asked to score 25+ and all that other stuff. It's a long debate under the tweet about all that

Then there's one guy who just keeps responding that Luck chokes in the playoffs and has barely made the playoffs every year etc etc

 

That stat doesn't compare the Seahawks and Colts giving up the same points on defense, that's all I'm saying. It's two different stats. Show me the Colts record when the defense gives up 25+, or show me the Seahawks at 29+, then we get an actual contrast. (It's like saying "Luck is 12-5 outdoors, but Wilson is 14-3 in a dome." Two different stats (that I completely made up just now, FYI)).

 

For the record, even though it probably doesn't need to be said, I obviously think Luck is better and does more. I just don't like incongruous statistical comparisons.

[BOTT]

The Russell Wilson stat isn't really a contrast. It's just a different stat entirely. Also, QB wins aren't a thing. Can't wait until the "this QB's record is X" stuff goes away entirely.

 

But point taken: Don't give up 29 points and the Colts will win 90% of the time. In other words, complete defensive failures pretty much doom this team. Not surprising, really.

Unfortunately, your wait is never going to end.

[Steamboat_Shaun]

Well the Wilson stat came about cause someone posted in response that Wilson should be highest paid and all that so they were showing that he doesn't really have the numbers Luck does when asked to score 25+ and all that other stuff. It's a long debate under the tweet about all that

Then there's one guy who just keeps responding that Luck chokes in the playoffs and has barely made the playoffs every year etc etc

 

Yeah, that guy sucks. He's a Bengals fan and actually has the audacity to call Luck a choker. Laughable.

[Valpo2004]

That stat doesn't compare the Seahawks and Colts giving up the same points on defense, that's all I'm saying. It's two different stats. Show me the Colts record when the defense gives up 25+, or show me the Seahawks at 29+, then we get an actual contrast. (It's like saying "Luck is 12-5 outdoors, but Wilson is 14-3 in a dome." Two different stats (that I completely made up just now, FYI)).

 

For the record, even though it probably doesn't need to be said, I obviously think Luck is better and does more. I just don't like incongruous statistical comparisons.

 

Well if Russell Wilson has never won a game in which his opponents scored more then 25 points. . . It stands to reason he's never won a game in which his opponents scored 29 or more points.

 

So there you have it.

[bestQBever]

so basically whenever we do lose we get destroyed. sounds about right.

[bestQBever]

Well if Russell Wilson has never won a game in which his opponents scored more then 25 points. . . It stands to reason he's never won a game in which his opponents scored 29 or more points.

lol I'm not even sure that defense has ever given up more than 29 points in the wilson era.

[Superman]

Well if Russell Wilson has never won a game in which his opponents scored more then 25 points. . . It stands to reason he's never won a game in which his opponents scored 29 or more points.

 

So there you have it.

 

Right. The real gap in information -- which I'm sure I could figure out if so inclined -- is what the Colts record is when the defense gives up 25+.

[Valpo2004]

Right. The real gap in information -- which I'm sure I could figure out if so inclined -- is what the Colts record is when the defense gives up 25+.

 

Well hard to say that it's the defense because sometimes these points result from turnovers.  I think that's important to remember. 

 

But when opponents score 25+ points against the Colts since 2012 the colts are 8 - 14 by my count.

 

2 - 4 in 2012, 4 - 4 in 2013 and 2 - 6 in 2014.

 

This includes playoff games.

 

*changed this because I missed some games in my previous count.  If someone wants to double check my count on this it would probably be good.

 

Ok yeah just double checked my counts so they should be right now.  

 

It's notable because I believe since we where 11-5 and lost once in the playoffs every year that means we lost 6 total games a year for the last 3 years.  So that means we've lost 18 total games since then.  So in 14 of those 18 lost games the opposition put up 25+ points.

[PeterBowman]

lol I'm not even sure that defense has ever given up more than 29 points in the wilson era.

Colts scored 34 against them

[Superman]

Well hard to say that it's the defense because sometimes these points result from turnovers.  I think that's important to remember. 

 

But when opponents score 25+ points against the Colts since 2012 the colts are 8 - 14 by my count.

 

2 - 4 in 2012, 4 - 4 in 2013 and 2 - 6 in 2014.

 

This includes playoff games.

 

*changed this because I missed some games in my previous count.  If someone wants to double check my count on this it would probably be good.

 

Ok yeah just double checked my counts so they should be right now.  

 

It's notable because I believe since we where 11-5 and lost once in the playoffs every year that means we lost 6 total games a year for the last 3 years.  So that means we've lost 18 total games since then.  So in 14 of those 18 lost games the opposition put up 25+ points.

 

Play better defense, long story short.

[Derakynn]

Right. The real gap in information -- which I'm sure I could figure out if so inclined -- is what the Colts record is when the defense gives up 25+.

We are 8-13 when allowing 25 or greater points (since 2012). This includes the playoffs. Didn't realize how bad 2014 was in allowing points. Also this shows how much Wilson benefits from his defense...he's had 7 games of this vs 21 for Luck. Although a couple of these are due to offensive failure as well. 

2012

GB-W-30-27

NYJ-L-35-9

NE-L-59-24

DET-W-35-33

HOU-L-29-17

 

2013

SEA-W-34-28

DEN-W-39-33

STL-L-38-8

TEN-W-30-27

ARI-L-40-11

CIN-L-42-28

KC-W-45-44

NE-L-43-22

 

2014

DEN-L-31-24

PHI-L-30-27

HOU-W-33-28

PIT-L-51-34

NE-L-42-20

WAS-W-49-27

DAL-L-42-7

NE-L-45-7

[Grigs build the lines plz.]

Play better defense, long story short.

3-n-outs and turnovers don't exactly help the defensive cause any. In the games we lost

and got blown out, the offense's inability to sustain drives and turnovers are just as bad

as the defensive play, IMO

 

No excuses for the offense this year.

[The Peytonator]

Just for some reference Russell Wilson was 12-5 in 2012, 16-2 in 2013, and 14-3 last year under the same criteria. So that adds up to 42-10 and an 80% winning percentage. I think it is pretty telling to just how much help he gets when he's played 15 more games than Luck in which his team gave up less than 29 points.

[12dalegend]

The problem is the Colts are one dimensional....a passing team with almost no run game if we can do both our defense will be fine...but their passing will put up big numbers and our defense will not tire too easily GO COLTS!

[CroatianColtsFan21]

Well the Wilson stat came about cause someone posted in response that Wilson should be highest paid and all that so they were showing that he doesn't really have the numbers Luck does when asked to score 25+ and all that other stuff. It's a long debate under the tweet about all that

Then there's one guy who just keeps responding that Luck chokes in the playoffs and has barely made the playoffs every year etc etc

Yeah, seems to me everyone forgets about russel wilson's performance in this year's nfc championship game.. But when your defense allows only 22 points to the packers, i guess you can aford to throw 4 ints..

[TKnight24]

Yeah, seems to me everyone forgets about russel wilson's performance in this year's nfc championship game.. But when your defense allows only 22 points to the packers, i guess you can aford to throw 4 ints..

Yep, 4 ints from Andrew translates usually to a blow out for us. For Wilson it's a SB appearance. Smh

[ruksak]

I do not like semantic stat lines like this. It's the "splitting hairs" of sports statistics. 

 

Does Andrew lead the league in wins on cloudy days while playing in a dome stadium on Thursday night? 

 

I wonder who leads the league in sacks on 2nd down and 13 while playing against a team wearing red?

 

Less than 29 points? Really? You mean 28 points? What happens when we bump that number up to 29 or 30? Does it suddenly look not so impressive?

 

Sports  statisticians take this crap way too far, if you ask me (nobody asked me). 

[Superman]

I do not like semantic stat lines like this. It's the "splitting hairs" of sports statistics. 

 

Does Andrew lead the league in wins on cloudy days while playing in a dome stadium on Thursday night? 

 

I wonder who leads the league in sacks on 2nd down and 13 while playing against a team wearing red?

 

Less than 29 points? Really? You mean 28 points? What happens when we bump that number up to 29 or 30? Does it suddenly look not so impressive?

 

Sports  statisticians take this crap way too far, if you ask me (nobody asked me). 

 

Some data shows a natural breakpoint. It can seem arbitrary, but when you look at the entire compilation, it's easier to figure why they cherry pick certain stats, or split hairs with others. I don't know what these stats look like overall, and maybe it is arbitrary. But knowing that the Colts win 90% of the time when they give up less than 28 points is noteworthy. I don't care where that ranks, and it's not necessarily a reflection of Luck's QBing, or anyone else's, but I think it's a somewhat useful number.

[Superman]

3-n-outs and turnovers don't exactly help the defensive cause any. 

 

True, which is why the staff added so much at offensive skill positions. Couldn't get a first down to save our lives in the third quarter of the AFCCG, but all we ever talk about is the run defense. It wasn't good, of course, but the offense didn't help. Adding skill players further enables our best player to help the team. 

 

Still, the defense has to do its part.

[basspapaw]

The Russell Wilson stat isn't really a contrast. It's just a different stat entirely. Also, QB wins aren't a thing. Can't wait until the "this QB's record is X" stuff goes away entirely.

 

But point taken: Don't give up 29 points and the Colts will win 90% of the time. In other words, complete defensive failures pretty much doom this team. Not surprising, really.

Yet we draft a wr I just dont get it.

[Superman]

Yet we draft a wr I just dont get it.

What does one thing have to do with the other?

[aaron11]

Yet we draft a wr I just dont get it.

 

 Couldn't get a first down to save our lives in the third quarter of the AFCCG, but all we ever talk about is the run defense. It wasn't good, of course, but the offense didn't help. Adding skill players further enables our best player to help the team. 

 

Still, the defense has to do its part.

this is why dorsett was a good pick.  i wonder how many 3 and outs we had against the patriots this year.

 

i doubt there are many defenses that would stop the patriots running game when their own offense cant stay on the field

[basspapaw]

What does one thing have to do with the other?

Well in my simple mind it would make more sense to have drafted D-line instead of offense we have plenty of scoring just cant stop the other team, we just out score them

I hope he is as good as everyone thinks I just thought we ,the Colts needed much more help on D than o

[Superman]

Well in my simple mind it would make more sense to have drafted D-line instead of offense we have plenty of scoring just cant stop the other team, we just out score them

I hope he is as good as everyone thinks I just thought we ,the Colts needed much more help on D than o

 

Drafting for need isn't simple-minded. It's flawed and often counterproductive. 

 

Regardless, we did draft a defensive lineman, didn't we? Did I imagine that?

 

It's also not true that we just outscore teams, and can't stop them. The defensive line has really only been a problem against the Patriots. And ironically, the AFCCG game is the primary example of how better offense would have helped the defense hold up better, particularly in the third quarter.

[Andrew Luck fan club]

And conversations like this are why Seattle doesn't want to make Russell the highest paid qb in the league.

[throwing BBZ]

3-n-outs and turnovers don't exactly help the defensive cause any. In the games we lost

and got blown out, the offense's inability to sustain drives and turnovers are just as bad

as the defensive play, IMO

 

No excuses for the offense this year.

 

 Thank you. Let us hope we run the ball much better  and Andrew improves on getting considerably better at getting rid of the ball and throwing more accurately in the short game.

 Andre Johnson should be a GREAT guy to improve at it with.

[Grigs build the lines plz.]

 Thank you. Let us hope we run the ball much better  and Andrew improves on getting considerably better at getting rid of the ball and throwing more accurately in the short game.

 Andre Johnson should be a GREAT guy to improve at it with.

Yup yup and yup. The run game will be better by subtractions and additions, Luck should continue to

build on his young career and Andre should be a fun target for him in the short and medium passing

game. Agreed.

[Defjamz26]

Drafting for need isn't simple-minded. It's flawed and often counterproductive. 

 

Regardless, we did draft a defensive lineman, didn't we? Did I imagine that?

 

It's also not true that we just outscore teams, and can't stop them. The defensive line has really only been a problem against the Patriots. And ironically, the AFCCG game is the primary example of how better offense would have helped the defense hold up better, particularly in the third quarter.

At this point it's easier to just say the Patriots just outclass the Colts. They don't try very hard to beat us. They simply dominate us in all 3 phases , with the game basically being done by the middle of the 3rd quarter.

[Superman]

At this point it's easier to just say the Patriots just outclass the Colts. They don't try very hard to beat us. They simply dominate us in all 3 phases , with the game basically being done by the middle of the 3rd quarter.

 

Or we could drop the whole inferiority complex thing and watch the games to see why they've outperformed us, seeing as how it's still football and everything.