Deflategate merge -- pending appeal results

[Bad Morty]

http://www.patspulpit.com/2015/6/12/8774661/deflategate-another-research-institute-disproves-the-wells-report

[Shane Bond]

Quick question - Why are those 2 employees suspended and why do they have nick names like "deflator"?.

[Nobody]

Quick question - Why are those 2 employees suspended and why do they have nick names like "deflator"?.

He was trying to lose weight obviously. Pats fans need to give it a rest, they just sound more and more whiney.

[Bad Morty]

Quick question - Why are those 2 employees suspended and why do they have nick names like "deflator"?.

Who knows...all I know is no balls were ever deflated. Sorry.

[amfootball]

I really believe there is no way the NFL lets this appeal get to court with Brady. The Wells report will be torn to shreds.

[COLTS449]

He was trying to lose weight obviously. Pats fans need to give it a rest, they just sound more and more whiney.

 

The Pats and whining go hand and hand. They get a lot of it from Brady. He whines, cries, and complains like a little spoiled kid after a bad call. But...But...But....No fair. When he's arguing a call it almost sounds like he's 13 and his voice is changing too. I really hope some Pats fan takes the bait here. .

[Shane Bond]

Who knows...all I know is no balls were ever deflated. Sorry.

That's logical

[COLTS449]

   ...Brady and his deflated balls.

[Bad Morty]

That's logical

 

Facts usually are logical. It's utterly laughably absurd to believe that balls were deflated in a bathroom prior to a game. The Wells "science" has to jump through a thousand hoops to get to that conclusion, and this new report pretty much trashes the Wells report science like it was performed by a 6th grade science class. But this whole thing was fun while it lasted.

[Shane Bond]

Facts usually are logical. It's utterly laughably absurd to believe that balls were deflated in a bathroom prior to a game. The Wells "science" has to jump through a thousand hoops to get to that conclusion, and this new report pretty much trashes the Wells report science like it was performed by a 6th grade science class. But this whole thing was fun while it lasted.

Answer my question other than "who knows".

 

Why are 2 employees suddenly suspended?. Why does one of them calls himself 'Deflator'?.

 

If you give me another who knows, you are clearly trolling.

[Bad Morty]

Answer my question other than "who knows".

 

Why are 2 employees suddenly suspended?. Why does one of them calls himself 'Deflator'?.

 

If you give me another who knows, you are clearly trolling.

 

The logical answer is that Brady got * at the over-inflated balls in the Jets game and tore both of these guys a new bung hole over it. That prompted a lot of unflattering texts about their boss. When those texts came to light and made their boss and employer look bad, they got suspended.

 

I know that doesn't fit your narrative, but the fact is that the science is incredibly weak in the Wells report. I'll be the NFL had NO clue before they went into this that balls actually do deflate naturally in cold weather.

[JlynRN]

pats fans just can't give it a rest.  The league knows they cheated, Goodell knows they cheated and the rest of the country knows they cheated.  But the "deflator" was just trying to lose weight.  

[HOZER]

Answer my question other than "who knows".

Why are 2 employees suddenly suspended?. Why does one of them calls himself 'Deflator'?.

If you give me another who knows, you are clearly trolling.

And why did the guy claim to have to taken a leak in a bathroom urinal that doesn't exist? lol

[21isSuperman]

Here's the kicker:

They're also far from angels, with a scrutinized history of bending their findings to support the views held by their donors.

 

So this institution has a reputation for bending their findings.  I'm not sure how well-versed people are in the world of scientific research, but doing that is one of the ultimate taboos. 

 

Cheaters go to cheaters for support.  I can see why the Pats would like this and why Pats fans are so supportive of this.  Liars and cheaters trying to help liars and cheaters.  How sad....

[Shane Bond]

The logical answer is that Brady got * at the over-inflated balls in the Jets game and tore both of these guys a new bung hole over it. That prompted a lot of unflattering texts about their boss. When those texts came to light and made their boss and employer look bad, they got suspended.

 

 

Ok lets go with your story.

 

Why didn't they get suspended after the jets game?. Why were they suspended during NFL investigation several weeks later?.

[Bad Morty]

And why did the guy claim to have to taken a leak in a bathroom urinal that doesn't exist? lol

The guy broke a rule by taking the balls. None of that matters...what matters is the science. If the science can't prove that balls were intentionally deflated, then guess what? None of the rest of it matters. And the fact is, the science can't prove it. That was pretty clear in the Wells report itself, when they tossed out the idea that the logo gauge was used even though that's what the ref said he used. But now, with this new report, it's crystal clear. Those balls were not deflated.

[amfootball]

Here's the kicker:

They're also far from angels, with a scrutinized history of bending their findings to support the views held by their donors.

 

So this institution has a reputation for bending their findings.  I'm not sure how well-versed people are in the world of scientific research, but doing that is one of the ultimate taboos. 

 

Cheaters go to cheaters for support.  I can see why the Pats would like this and why Pats fans are so supportive of this.  Liars and cheaters trying to help liars and cheaters.  How sad....

The real kicker is that the Wells Report used Exponent as their research firm and they denied that second hand smoke causes cancer, http://boston.cbslocal.com/2015/05/06/deflategate-nfl-hired-same-research-firm-that-denied-secondhand-smoke-causes-cancer/

 

As I said, Wells Report will get shredded in court with or without AEI's summation of its contents.

[Shane Bond]

I like how the pats fans here are ignoring my 2 simple questions.  

[NFLfan]

What a farce!

[21isSuperman]

The real kicker is that the Wells Report used Exponent as their research firm and they denied that second hand smoke causes cancer, http://boston.cbslocal.com/2015/05/06/deflategate-nfl-hired-same-research-firm-that-denied-secondhand-smoke-causes-cancer/

 

As I said, Wells Report will get shredded in court with or without AEI's summation of its contents.

My goodness, you Pats fans are really looking for anything to act blameless while cheating.  It's really kinda sad.  All these excuses are worse than what Brady actually did.  I'm of the belief that had he simply admitted to what he was doing and co-operated with the investigators, he would have gotten a much smaller penalty

[amfootball]

My goodness, you Pats fans are really looking for anything to act blameless while cheating.  It's really kinda sad.  All these excuses are worse than what Brady actually did.  I'm of the belief that had he simply admitted to what he was doing and co-operated with the investigators, he would have gotten a much smaller penalty

Have you read the report? Honestly, it is the biggest pile of poop ever put forth.

[21isSuperman]

The real kicker is that the Wells Report used Exponent as their research firm and they denied that second hand smoke causes cancer, http://boston.cbslocal.com/2015/05/06/deflategate-nfl-hired-same-research-firm-that-denied-secondhand-smoke-causes-cancer/

 

As I said, Wells Report will get shredded in court with or without AEI's summation of its contents.

But since you like to play this game, let's do it.  The Exponent group was not the only thing Wells used in his investigation.  I think one of the biggest things that led to these penalties was those text messages.  So even if the work done by the Exponent group is considered invalid due to their history, that doesn't change the other parts of the investigation.

[Shane Bond]

Ok lets go with your story.

 

Why didn't they get suspended after the jets game?. Why were they suspended during NFL investigation several weeks later?.

Bad Morty - Answer, don't hide

[21isSuperman]

Have you read the report? Honestly, it is the biggest pile of poop ever put forth.

The stuff Brady and the Patriots have done in the last few years is a significantly larger* pile

 

*Denotes no deflation occurred when measuring piles.

[amfootball]

But since you like to play this game, let's do it.  The Exponent group was not the only thing Wells used in his investigation.  I think one of the biggest things that led to these penalties was those text messages.  So even if the work done by the Exponent group is considered invalid due to their history, that doesn't change the other parts of the investigation.

It really does not matter if McNally called himself Santa Claus in a text. There is no proof at all of tampering.

 

It's own summation on page 228 says so, "In sum, the data did not provide a basis for us to determine with absolute certainty whether there was or was not tampering as the analysis of such data ultimately is dependent upon assumptions and information that is not certain."

 

[Colts_Fan12]

Is there something in the water in Boston to make you pats fans spew stupid crap none stop? you sound like fools just accept it and move on. its not like it's the first time your scummy team has been caught cheating and prolly won't be the last

[Shane Bond]

It really does not matter if McNally called himself Santa Claus in a text. There is no proof at all of tampering.

 

It's own summation on page 228 says so, "In sum, the data did not provide a basis for us to determine with absolute certainty whether there was or was not tampering as the analysis of such data ultimately is dependent upon assumptions and information that is not certain."

 

so why were they suspended?

[21isSuperman]

It really does not matter if McNally called himself Santa Claus in a text. There is no proof at all of tampering.

 

It's own summation on page 228 says so, "In sum, the data did not provide a basis for us to determine with absolute certainty whether there was or was not tampering as the analysis of such data ultimately is dependent upon assumptions and information that is not certain."

 

Calls report garbage.  Uses report as evidence to support your own claim.

 

That same report also said it was more likely than not that Brady had, at the very least, knowledge that this was going on.  Add in Brady's lack of co-operation and the use of the term deflator and it doesn't really paint a pretty picture.

 

Of course there isn't absolute certainty.  Many political, scientific, and legal institutions use terms like "more likely than not" in very legit ways.

[amfootball]

Calls report garbage.  Uses report as evidence.

 

That same report also said it was more likely than not that Brady had, at the very least, knowledge that this was going on.  Add in Brady's lack of co-operation and the use of the term deflator and it doesn't really paint a pretty picture.

They got zero on Brady other than him complaining about the Jets ball that were overinflated to an illegal 16 psi that Wells never followed up on or actually did but did not bother to include his interview with the game day ref.

[Shane Bond]

Calls report garbage.  Uses report as evidence to support your own claim.

 

That same report also said it was more likely than not that Brady had, at the very least, knowledge that this was going on.  Add in Brady's lack of co-operation and the use of the term deflator and it doesn't really paint a pretty picture.

May be they don't like to answer me.

 

Could you please have them answer  - why the employees were suspended

[Shane Bond]

Bad Morty - I see you are here, speak up

[21isSuperman]

They got zero on Brady other than him complaining about the Jets ball that were overinflated to an illegal 16 psi that Wells never followed up on or actually did but did not bother to include his interview with the game day ref.

1. The texts mention his name in association with deflation

2. Brady refused to co-operate

 

It's not perfect evidence (which is ridiculous to ask for in a case like this anyway), but it suggests Brady was involved.

[amfootball]

Like I said, I could care less about AEI. The Wells report is garbage and will be exposed as such in court unless Goodell wipes the 4 games.

[Colts_Fan12]

so why were they suspended?

they have no answer I honestly can't take the stupidity for very long

[21isSuperman]

May be they don't like to answer me.

 

Could you please have them answer  - why the employees were suspended

I believe the Patriot fans on the board previously answered that question by saying "they did it because the NFL told them to"....which is a ridiculous claim on its own.  The NFL tells you to suspend 2 people that you claim have done absolutely nothing wrong and you comply?  In what world does that make any kind of logical sense?

[Bad Morty]

I'd buy this theory:

 

1) Brady asked for 12.5 balls as usual

2) Refs inflated the balls higher than that...we know from the Wells report that they aren't too rigid about this, so those balls might have been closer to 13 when they left the refs room

3) McNally takes them to the bathroom. "takes the top off"...a violation no doubt, and one that should be penalized

4) But because the refs over-inflated the balls, the action McNally took resulted in balls pretty much at the 12.5 level Brady requested to begin with by the time he leaves the bathroom...i.e. McNally's job was to get the balls to the 12.5 he wanted...legal balls, but tampered with.

5) Then mother nature takes it's course during the first half deflating the balls further

 

That left the league with the awkward situation of KNOWING that the Pats were doing this but NOT knowing that the refs weren't inflating the balls properly to begin with OR that the cold would explain deflation more than they thought....

[Shane Bond]

I believe the Patriot fans on the board previously answered that question by saying "they did it because the NFL told them to"....which is a ridiculous claim on its own.  The NFL tells you to suspend 2 people that you claim have done absolutely nothing wrong and you comply?  In what world does that make any kind of logical sense?

NFL refused that claim.

[21isSuperman]

Like I said, I could care less about AEI. The Wells report is garbage and will be exposed as such in court unless Goodell wipes the 4 games.

I believe the term you're looking for is "couldn't care less".  If you could care less, that means you care quite a bit.

 

As for the Wells report, please explain to me what really makes it garbage.  And if it is garbage, then why are you using quotes from the Wells report as evidence against the validity of the Wells report?

[amfootball]

I believe the term you're looking for is "couldn't care less".  If you could care less, that means you care quite a bit.

 

As for the Wells report, please explain to me what really makes it garbage.  And if it is garbage, then why are you using quotes from the Wells report as evidence against the validity of the Wells report?

Did you read it? There is no sense discussing it unless you read it. I have been down this path with others and it is a waste of time if you have only read editorialized headlines on it and not the report itself.

[21isSuperman]

I'd buy this theory:

 

1) Brady asked for 12.5 balls as usual

2) Refs inflated the balls higher than that...we know from the Wells report that they aren't too rigid about this, so those balls might have been closer to 13 when they left the refs room

3) McNally takes them to the bathroom. "takes the top off"...a violation no doubt, and one that should be penalized

4) But because the refs over-inflated the balls, the action McNally took resulted in balls pretty much at the 12.5 level Brady requested to begin with by the time he leaves the bathroom...i.e. McNally's job was to get the balls to the 12.5 he wanted...legal balls, but tampered with.

5) Then mother nature takes it's course during the first half deflating the balls further

 

That left the league with the awkward situation of KNOWING that the Pats were doing this but NOT knowing that the refs weren't inflating the balls properly to begin with OR that the cold would explain deflation more than they thought....

Actually, I believe it goes something like this.

 

1) Wells released toxic gases all over the Boston Area

2) Brady uses his powerful lungs of steel and gold to rid all the toxic gases and blow them into space

3) Brady's aim is so good that he is able to direct the flow of those toxic gases to the sun, where they cause large explosions and an increase in solar flares

4) While the energy from the solar flares reach Earth, Brady creates enough solar panels to solve the world's energy crisis

5) Brady uses the Ideal Gas Law to cure cancer, and eradicate poverty

6) Goodell and Wells steal candy from babies

7) Brady uses the energy from his solar panels to create organic candy for the babies