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#1 oldunclemark

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Posted 27 December 2011 - 11:46 AM

Pat Angerer has 137 tackles...in 15 games...

What the team record...?


..anybody knows?

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#2 WSO

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Posted 27 December 2011 - 11:52 AM

Cato june had 142 in 2006. Bracketts highest was 127 just from Googling. I'm probably missing someone else.

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Posted 27 December 2011 - 12:03 PM

Some Redskin has 165 tackles..

Its a lot harder to average 10 tackles a game than it used to be because everybody throws the ball all over.

I thought Angerer had more than 137...

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Posted 27 December 2011 - 12:59 PM

Oh I thought you meant Colts team record

Looking on NFL.com Jerod Mayo had 175 tackles last year which is the most 'officially' I think, it starts in 2001

#5 21isSuperman

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Posted 27 December 2011 - 01:00 PM

Tackle stats are infamously inaccurate. Coaches just throw them around. I wouldn't look too much into it. If you replayed this season with everything going the exact same, but with 5 different coaches counting the stats, Angerer would have 5 different tackle totals
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Posted 27 December 2011 - 05:59 PM

Tackle stats are infamously inaccurate. Coaches just throw them around. I wouldn't look too much into it. If you replayed this season with everything going the exact same, but with 5 different coaches counting the stats, Angerer would have 5 different tackle totals

I've heard this several times.


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Posted 27 December 2011 - 06:08 PM

The media guide doesn't have a listing for tackles. Some differences would be a solo tackle, primary hit, assisted hit/tackle, etc. Like others have said it is too arbitrary to count accurately. Sorta like how 10 people might say a pass was dropped, 10 might say it wasn't catchable.

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Posted 27 December 2011 - 06:26 PM

Tackle stats are infamously inaccurate. Coaches just throw them around. I wouldn't look too much into it. If you replayed this season with everything going the exact same, but with 5 different coaches counting the stats, Angerer would have 5 different tackle totals

The media guide doesn't have a listing for tackles. Some differences would be a solo tackle, primary hit, assisted hit/tackle, etc. Like others have said it is too arbitrary to count accurately. Sorta like how 10 people might say a pass was dropped, 10 might say it wasn't catchable.


so true!!!

that is the stat that everyone here that love him are using to back up their praise.

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Posted 27 December 2011 - 06:35 PM

Unfortunately, half of those tackles were for 11 yard loses.
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Posted 27 December 2011 - 06:44 PM

Unfortunately, half of those tackles were for 11 yard loses.


i think you mean 10 yard gains. i was going to say the same thing but i have already been through this with the angerer fan club.

#11 21isSuperman

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Posted 27 December 2011 - 09:45 PM

so true!!!

that is the stat that everyone here that love him are using to back up their praise.

Well, just because the stat is not accurate, that doesn't mean he isn't playing well. Even if you ignore the tackle statistic and watch the games, Angerer has constantly been around the ball and has had a strong season
When Bob Sanders executes a push up, he does not push himself up. He pushes the world down.
When Bob Sanders was 12, a cobra bit him in the leg. After 4 days of excruciating pain, the cobra died.
Tom Brady can throw a football pretty far. Bob Sanders can throw Tom Brady even farther.
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#12 Susie Q

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Posted 27 December 2011 - 10:35 PM

+1 Superman

I agree with your post completely. He has had a great season for our dismal season as the team.

#13 husker61

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Posted 27 December 2011 - 11:57 PM

Well, just because the stat is not accurate, that doesn't mean he isn't playing well. Even if you ignore the tackle statistic and watch the games, Angerer has constantly been around the ball and has had a strong season


my problem is his tackles are 5-10 yards down field. i want my mlb making plays around the line of scrimmage. the tackle stats are the only argument people are using to say how great he is. he has been adequate and nothing more. safetys making plays down field are ok, but not a top mlb.

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Posted 28 December 2011 - 12:40 AM

my problem is his tackles are 5-10 yards down field. i want my mlb making plays around the line of scrimmage. the tackle stats are the only argument people are using to say how great he is. he has been adequate and nothing more. safetys making plays down field are ok, but not a top mlb.

The problem with that has been playcalling. If the defensive coordinator calls a play that asks him to drop 10 yards each time, how can he not? If he doesn't do it, he gets benched. That's no knock on him, that's due to poor playcalling
When Bob Sanders executes a push up, he does not push himself up. He pushes the world down.
When Bob Sanders was 12, a cobra bit him in the leg. After 4 days of excruciating pain, the cobra died.
Tom Brady can throw a football pretty far. Bob Sanders can throw Tom Brady even farther.
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#15 IndyTrav

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Posted 28 December 2011 - 09:38 AM

"Stat" wise, Jeff Herrod in 1991 had 160 tackles. Bickett had a couple of 150 years. No distinction between tackles/assists in these years.

Angerer has 72 tackles, but 65 assists. 137.





Although when comparing Pat to other MLB/ILB his #'s, which everyone is impressed with, me included, really dont look very good at all.

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#16 husker61

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Posted 28 December 2011 - 10:49 AM

The problem with that has been playcalling. If the defensive coordinator calls a play that asks him to drop 10 yards each time, how can he not? If he doesn't do it, he gets benched. That's no knock on him, that's due to poor playcalling


i agree on passing plays. what i am talking about are running plays. would top dt's make a difference, yes. but people saying he is one of the best shouldn't mean he needs top dt's in front of him. watching a game, he just doesn't stand out. that's what top players do.

#17 husker61

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Posted 28 December 2011 - 10:58 AM

Angerer has 72 tackles, but 65 assists. 137.


Although when comparing Pat to other MLB/ILB his #'s, which everyone is impressed with, me included, really dont look very good at all.


in comparison, brackett's career solo tackles to assist is 3-1 in the same system.

#18 21isSuperman

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Posted 28 December 2011 - 04:34 PM

i agree on passing plays. what i am talking about are running plays. would top dt's make a difference, yes. but people saying he is one of the best shouldn't mean he needs top dt's in front of him. watching a game, he just doesn't stand out. that's what top players do.

Actually, usually, LBs need some solid DTs in front of them. Ray Lewis was at his best when he had Goose in front of him. And look at him now, with Ngata in front of him. Ray is still one of the best, but he still has top DTs in front of him.
When Bob Sanders executes a push up, he does not push himself up. He pushes the world down.
When Bob Sanders was 12, a cobra bit him in the leg. After 4 days of excruciating pain, the cobra died.
Tom Brady can throw a football pretty far. Bob Sanders can throw Tom Brady even farther.
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Posted 28 December 2011 - 05:40 PM

in comparison, brackett's career solo tackles to assist is 3-1 in the same system.


Outside of coverage I think Pat has shown to be a better MLB than Brackett. In only his 2nd year I'm sure his coverage skills will improve putting him much higher than Brackett IMO.

With all that said comparing Pats #s, while good, still don't impress compared to other MLB/ILB.

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#20 OJl

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Posted 28 December 2011 - 06:44 PM

Pat Angerer has 137 tackles...in 15 games...

What the team record...?


..anybody knows?


I would guess Jeff Herrod. He used to rack up 155 to 175 every year back in the day.

#21 Larry Horseman

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Posted 28 December 2011 - 07:07 PM

my problem is his tackles are 5-10 yards down field. i want my mlb making plays around the line of scrimmage. the tackle stats are the only argument people are using to say how great he is. he has been adequate and nothing more. safetys making plays down field are ok, but not a top mlb.


Not for nothing, Angerer is tied for 6th with a bunch of other players with 8 tackles for a loss (stuffs). Interesting enough, Kavell Conner leads the league. Here's the link: http://sports.yahoo....imeframe=ToDate. Overall, the Colts have received solid LB play this year, and Angerer, while he still needs to improve his game, has had a solid year and had plenty of upside. Better DT play will lead to less tackles 10+ down the field.

#22 husker61

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Posted 28 December 2011 - 10:48 PM

Actually, usually, LBs need some solid DTs in front of them. Ray Lewis was at his best when he had Goose in front of him. And look at him now, with Ngata in front of him. Ray is still one of the best, but he still has top DTs in front of him.


you are absolutely right. i still remember the monday night game against the chiefs when he was complaining about getting double teamed. that is why he isn't a truly great player in my opinion. great players still make plays when they are double and triple teamed. i saw lawrence taylors whole career, and double teams rarely slowed him down. great players make plays no matter what the conditions. look at manning against sd with a half hearted wayne and nobody else.

#23 husker61

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Posted 28 December 2011 - 11:01 PM

Not for nothing, Angerer is tied for 6th with a bunch of other players with 8 tackles for a loss (stuffs). Interesting enough, Kavell Conner leads the league. Here's the link: http://sports.yahoo....imeframe=ToDate. Overall, the Colts have received solid LB play this year, and Angerer, while he still needs to improve his game, has had a solid year and had plenty of upside. Better DT play will lead to less tackles 10+ down the field.


i never said he was bad. he's just not the great lb that many colt fan are saying. i don't think you can judge lb play with stats. does one great play make up for 10 bad ones? say a de gets 16 sacks for the year, but in his haste to get the sacks he gives up ten 5-20 yard runs to his side every game. he isn't helping the team very much because teams know they can run past him for consistent big plays..

#24 21isSuperman

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Posted 28 December 2011 - 11:20 PM

you are absolutely right. i still remember the monday night game against the chiefs when he was complaining about getting double teamed. that is why he isn't a truly great player in my opinion. great players still make plays when they are double and triple teamed. i saw lawrence taylors whole career, and double teams rarely slowed him down. great players make plays no matter what the conditions. look at manning against sd with a half hearted wayne and nobody else.

True, but you can't expect a team full of Lawrence Taylors or Peyton Mannings. These are once in a lifetime players. I don't think it's fair to have Ray Lewis or LT standards for Pat Angerer. The dude has done a very good job this year, in my opinion.
When Bob Sanders executes a push up, he does not push himself up. He pushes the world down.
When Bob Sanders was 12, a cobra bit him in the leg. After 4 days of excruciating pain, the cobra died.
Tom Brady can throw a football pretty far. Bob Sanders can throw Tom Brady even farther.
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#25 husker61

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Posted 28 December 2011 - 11:26 PM

True, but you can't expect a team full of Lawrence Taylors or Peyton Mannings. These are once in a lifetime players. I don't think it's fair to have Ray Lewis or LT standards for Pat Angerer. The dude has done a very good job this year, in my opinion.


i will say it again. i never said he hasn't done a good job. he just isn't a great or even a top lb like many have said.

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Posted 29 December 2011 - 12:25 PM

i never said he was bad. he's just not the great lb that many colt fan are saying. i don't think you can judge lb play with stats. does one great play make up for 10 bad ones? say a de gets 16 sacks for the year, but in his haste to get the sacks he gives up ten 5-20 yard runs to his side every game. he isn't helping the team very much because teams know they can run past him for consistent big plays..


Fair enough, and we agree that at this point he is not great. I think it is to early to say he is a great LB or a good LB...the one thing he isn't is bad. If he continues to progress, he could be great...in other words, he has that potential. I think his future success also rides on how effective the DTs are going forward. Even Ray Lewis struggled for a few seasons before Ngata came, and Willis receives excellent DT play. Using them as examples, not saying Angerer will ever be in their tier.

#27 oldunclemark

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Posted 29 December 2011 - 12:29 PM

I would guess Jeff Herrod. He used to rack up 155 to 175 every year back in the day.


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Posted 29 December 2011 - 12:42 PM

my problem is his tackles are 5-10 yards down field. i want my mlb making plays around the line of scrimmage. the tackle stats are the only argument people are using to say how great he is. he has been adequate and nothing more. safetys making plays down field are ok, but not a top mlb.


How can you judge the linebacker because his coaches ask him to drop into coverage every down? We don't play a scheme that puts the middle linebacker near the line of scrimmage. I think the way to judge him is by how well he makes plays when he has the chance to make them.

He's not the next Brian Urlacher or Zach Thomas. He's not a great tackler, he still drags down more than he knocks down. Still suspect in coverage. But he's a pretty good linebacker, especially for being in his second year.
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Posted 29 December 2011 - 06:47 PM

Fair enough, and we agree that at this point he is not great. I think it is to early to say he is a great LB or a good LB...the one thing he isn't is bad. If he continues to progress, he could be great...in other words, he has that potential. I think his future success also rides on how effective the DTs are going forward. Even Ray Lewis struggled for a few seasons before Ngata came, and Willis receives excellent DT play. Using them as examples, not saying Angerer will ever be in their tier.


we agree, except i don't think he will ever be great. he could be very good though. my standard for great is MUCH higher than most people's.

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Posted 29 December 2011 - 06:48 PM

He's not the next Brian Urlacher or Zach Thomas. He's not a great tackler, he still drags down more than he knocks down. Still suspect in coverage.


agreed!

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Posted 29 December 2011 - 09:39 PM

Jeff Herrod was the best tackler the Colts have ever had at linebacker since moving to Indy.

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Posted 29 December 2011 - 10:04 PM

Numbers are very suspect, you can get an assist for being stood near and watching a tackle these days. Agree with what 21isSuperman has been saying though. Just because the numbers flatter him doesn't mean he hasn't been very good. Shame our coordinators have been very suspect (our normal OC in Peyton is out), and since Murphy took over Angerer has been looking even better.






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