Bjoern Werner: 'Since I've entered the league, I haven't been healthy one time'

[Superman]

you said you don't agree that Lockett is as good as Dorsett all I said was that may be true but the difference in talent isn't that big between the two

 

Sure thing.

[Colts_Fan12]

Sure thing.

so why take a WR in round one with similar talent to a later round WR?

[OffensivelyPC]

For a guy who was reported to have such athleticism coming into the draft a couple years ago, I hope he is just being honest (and I have no reaso nto think he's not being honest by teh way).  But health is a factor and he just hasn't gotten teh push needed to be a solid pass rusher.  He's not a bust, but he's not the guy we envisioned him being. That doesn't make him a bad player, just a better fit in a different role.

 

PS, count me into the group that wished we picked Rhodes instead of Werner.  I still didn't hate this pick.  At the time, we needed a pass rusher in a bad way, and Werner was the best option for that.  Just didn't work out.  Things happen...

[OffensivelyPC]

so why take a WR in round one with similar talent to a later round WR?

Because Colts brass thought he had way more talent than that "later round WR?"  You could take a 2nd round DT and a 2nd round caliber WR and it still doesn't mean you have made your team better than if you took a 1st round WR.  To me, the more I think about it, I like the Dorsett pick.  We could have drafted need, but still not have made our team that much better by doing so.

[BOTT]

Werner is one of the least athletic edge rushers to go in the first round in recent history

 

http://www.mockdraftable.com/player/4288/position/19/

 

The only edge who was/is a worse athlete to go in the first that I can recall is Jarvis Jones.

Ha, I knew there was a reason I disliked Jarvis Jones coming out of Georgia.

[CanuckColt]

Grigson took a project player with a first round pick, bust written all over it

You don't take someone who's never played a certain position and force them to play a new position with your first round pick

That's just bad for business *Triple H Voice*

Yep....old Uncle Bill was correct on one thing, "Don't draft a player 'out of position'".

...and this guy was drafted 'out of position' and in the FIRST ROUND.  This flirts with 'bust' right off the bat....Werner has proven to be marginal...and if it is because of injury, then that is just another negative, an injury-prone player.

We will be lucky if this guy can spell off Waldo as a backup.

[James]

so why take a WR in round one with similar talent to a later round WR?

Because Lockett is not as good as Dorsett. Because Dorsett was BPA, and Lockett was not.

[Jason_]

Yep....old Uncle Bill was correct on one thing, "Don't draft a player 'out of position'".

...and this guy was drafted 'out of position' and in the FIRST ROUND.  This flirts with 'bust' right off the bat....Werner has proven to be marginal...and if it is because of injury, then that is just another negative, an injury-prone player.

We will be lucky if this guy can spell off Waldo as a backup.

 

Do you have any idea how many college 4-3 DE's get drafted in the first round to play 3-4 OLB in the NFL?  This idea that Werner was a "project" or drafted "out of position" really has almost zero validity.

[PrincetonTiger]

September can not get here fast enough

[Colts_Fan12]

Because Lockett is not as good as Dorsett. Because Dorsett was BPA, and Lockett was not.

that has already been established don't come into the convo half assed by just reading the end of it

[OLD FAN MAN]

imo if a first rounder is not a game changer he is a bust, werner show us you are not a bust

[Toe Toed Sloth]

I mean Werner was a bad pick from day 1. Whoever said that was right. He was a project pick when better players were available, so there goes the BPA thing. At that time anyways. But yeah I was all excited when we were on the clock hoping for Rhodes or Hopkins then we take Bjorne Werner. The thing is he's not horrible, he's going to be a good backup, good against the run, etc, but he was still a bad pick to this point anyway for a 1st round pick. You don't want 1st rounders to be good backups. We basically got an Erik Walden in the 1st round. Bash me if you want for thinking back a little, but you have to look back sometimes to keep from screwing up over and over in my opinion. And I don't think Werner's health is why he hasn't lived up to expectations. The first year yeah, but last year no. I hope he proves me wrong and is a pure freaking beast this year, but I just see him as being a good backup/rotational guy.

 

I have to agree with most of this. I'm not an expert but there were a few polished players that looked really good that fit needs at that pick. I was sure as many others here that we would nab Rhodes who has turned out to be Vontae Davis light for the Vikings and is continually on the rise. 

 

Werner still has potential and I don't think he is quite a bust as he should remain a serviceable rotational player in the least even if he doesn't turn into the starter we had hoped for. To discredit someone who hasn't complained about health until now seems irrational. Why make the excuse now if he hasn't previously when he's been critiqued? I hope that he blossoms into a great player but at this point it would honestly surprise me. I hope he proves me wrong. 

[Blackhawk4]

imo if a first rounder is not a game changer he is a bust, werner show us you are not a bust

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And this does not sound unreasonable?

[theanarchist]

No, you just stink!

Stop with the excuses

He was a "healthy" scratch last season in the AFCCG I believe it was or one of those games. There's nothing wrong with him, except he's a bust

[braveheartcolt]

If Jerry Hughes had been drafted by Buffalo, and remains the player he is today, the 'I know better' brigade on here would be crying like babies about us not picking him. Such a poor way to look at things.

And to put it in perspective, you don't get many 'can't miss' players at the end of the 1st round, so a null and void stance.

OT, I have no reason to suggest Werner is lying (why would I - only bums would think like that), but that's on him, and still makes him a disappointing player for us so far. He may have been a standout in Buffalo however.

PS - could a very nice poster tell me where I can get the best 'Elite Armchair GM' training course please. And while I mention it, my 'Hindsight Masters Degree'.

[C0lts088]

Here, and also right above this post

https://twitter.com/HorseshoeHeroes/status/556951202026373121

"But Grigson was also asked about last year's first round pick, outside linebacker Bjoern Werner, who was also inactive for the AFC Championship game against the Patriots. And he said that it was because the team was trying to get him healthy, plus they needed extra cornerbacks."

[Clem-Dog]

Werner needs to get a lot stronger and add a lot more stamina to increase his endurance. He simply breaks down too easily, both physically and mentally.

It's safe to say this is probably a make or break year for him.

[BleedBlu8792]

imo if a first rounder is not a game changer he is a bust, werner show us you are not a bust

 

So, by your logic, the majority of EVERY first round, of EVERY draft, has been a bust? It's one thing to have high standards, but you're setting yourself up for disappointment and failure with your line of thinking.

[jskinnz]

so why take a WR in round one with similar talent to a later round WR?

 

We ain't building rockets here - it is really not complicated at all.

 

On the Colts draft board - as it relates to this conversation, the only board that matters - they very clearly had Dorsett rated significantly higher than any other player available at that time.  A gap that was so wide, that even if WR was not necessarily a position of need in comparison to others, they HAD to take him.  

[Dark Superman]

This seems to be a common trend for athletes, especially fighters. They never say a word about not being healthy, but as soon as they lose or have a lack of success they rant about never being healthy in the first place.

If you don't perform this year Werner, it's adios!

[ColtsLegacy]

Trade him to the Dolphins for Kelvin Sheppard.

[jvan1973]

imo if a first rounder is not a game changer he is a bust, werner show us you are not a bust

Wow do a little research on first rounders. On your scale, 90% are busts

[Gavin]

Has the dates for Colts mini camp in Anderson been set yet? I looked at the calendar and did not see any

[NewColtsFan]

imo if a first rounder is not a game changer he is a bust, werner show us you are not a bust

 

You might want to consider adjusting your "grading scale" to something slightly more realistic.

 

Under your view,  almost everyone would be a bust.....

 

If that's the case......   well,  what's the point?

[TKnight24]

Has the dates for Colts mini camp in Anderson been set yet? I looked at the calendar and did not see any

No, haven't seen them. Should be announced once OTA'S finish. Minicamp starts June 9th through I think the 11th so the Anderson dates should be announced here soon

[ColtsBlueFL]

OK, so we know he can't play if injured.  I don't want him keeping injuroes from the coaches just so he stay in the games anymore.  Play healthy, or let next man up play healthy.

[C0LT5]

Either he's lying or the are rule breakers. I'm almost certain you can't healthy scratch someone who's not healthy. Gotta be a rule for that

 

I may be wrong here but isn't "healthy scratch" just a term the media made up? The Colts don't have to assign reasons for each player that is inactive do they? If it's for injury then the injury report is looked at and it's assumed that's why they aren't active. Was he on the injury report that week? Did any Colts official actually call him a healthy scratch?

[Superman]

Do you have any idea how many college 4-3 DE's get drafted in the first round to play 3-4 OLB in the NFL?  This idea that Werner was a "project" or drafted "out of position" really has almost zero validity.

 

You're being nice with that "almost" there.

[Superman]

that has already been established don't come into the convo half assed by just reading the end of it

 

The problem is that you're talking in circles. What James said is a direct hit. The degree of separation between Dorsett and any other WR isn't really relevant. The Colts felt that Dorsett was easily the best player on the board, so they drafted him. 

[Colts_Fan12]

The problem is that you're talking in circles. What James said is a direct hit. The degree of separation between Dorsett and any other WR isn't really relevant. The Colts felt that Dorsett was easily the best player on the board, so they drafted him.

good for them they have been right with our other firsts too.... How our FO can't do wrong is what's odd

[Superman]

good for them they have been right with our other firsts too.... How our FO can't do wrong is what's odd

Another strawman.

[Colts_Fan12]

Another strawman.

how? Cause taking Dorsett cause he was "best on our board by a long shot" makes the other terrible decisions just magically disappear?

[SteelCityColt]

how? Cause taking Dorsett cause he was "best on our board by a long shot" makes the other terrible decisions just magically disappear?

Well no it doesn't, but it's a deflection away from what you were talking about.

Lets just say for arguments sake the FO had Dorsett highest on their board, is sticking to the board the right strategy?

[jvan1973]

how? Cause taking Dorsett cause he was "best on our board by a long shot" makes the other terrible decisions just magically disappear?

They have zero to do with one another. Most people can figure that out

[Colts_Fan12]

Well no it doesn't, but it's a deflection away from what you were talking about.

Lets just say for arguments sake the FO had Dorsett highest on their board, is sticking to the board the right strategy?

No not really I'm sure Werner was high on our board too and Trent was better then any possible player in the 1st that year

[antipatriot]

I am so happy that the members of this forum dont run our team. 

 

I like every fan dont agree with all of the moves made but remember the little that 99% of the people here know about football our management and coaches have forgotten more than we could ever know.  If we knew as much as we think we know we would all be making the big bucks in the No Fun League.

 

We all have a right to our opinion and lets face it our team like all others hit and miss but get over it.  I am not a fan of many things we have done but I do know I could not do any better.

 

However I will say as fans we have a right to vent and I love this forum for it.

 

I still think Werner can be a really good player for us, I have faith he has shown some flashes but if he doesnt get it right this year than backup status or cut it is

[Jason_]

You're being nice with that "almost" there.

 

lol..yeah..that was intentional.  What can I say?  I was feeling a bit generous today. 

[Gavin]

I am so happy that the members of this forum dont run our team. 

 

I like every fan dont agree with all of the moves made but remember the little that 99% of the people here know about football our management and coaches have forgotten more than we could ever know.  If we knew as much as we think we know we would all be making the big bucks in the No Fun League.

 

We all have a right to our opinion and lets face it our team like all others hit and miss but get over it.  I am not a fan of many things we have done but I do know I could not do any better.

 

However I will say as fans we have a right to vent and I love this forum for it.

 

I still think Werner can be a really good player for us, I have faith he has shown some flashes but if he doesnt get it right this year than backup status or cut it is

He has already reached back up status behind Mathis and Cole. Dont get me wrong, I think he will still get his chances but I think his chances are going to be a lot fewer now with Cole being brought in...maybe even cut by half, No reason to take Cole off the field for Werner unless he gets dinged up, Mathis should not come off the field unless he is not 100%, Im not really sure where Werner could be put to see a significant number of snaps

[wig]

how? Cause taking Dorsett cause he was "best on our board by a long shot" makes the other terrible decisions just magically disappear?

ONE first rd. pick on a guy who's more serviceable than elite is a pattern?

[Colts_Fan12]

ONE first rd. pick on a guy who's more serviceable than elite is a pattern?

ok but we took Dorsett who has elite speed but prolly won't be very serviceable this year?