Donte Moncrief will have a better season than Phillip Dorsett.

[Dustin]

Moncrief will finish the season with more yards, more catches, more targets, and more TDs than Dorsett.

 

The Luck to Moncrief connection was one of the most efficient passing combos on a per snap basis in the NFL. When Luck targeted Moncrief, he had a passer rating of 122.0. That number was 6th among QB-WR combos. Behind only Cobb-Rodgers, Beasley-Romo, Nelson-Rodgers, OBJ-Eli, and Bryant-Roethlisberger. And above such combos as Dez-Romo, Sanders-Peyton, Hilton-Luck, and Jones-Ryan.

 

Dorsett has been praised for his hands, as he should, they were excellent. But Moncrief's last season were also good. Moncrief dropped only 2 passes on the season on 34 catchable targets (Dorsett dropped one on 37) for a drop rate on par with players like AJ Green, Mike Evans, Golden Tate, TY Hilton, Desean Jackson and Julio Jones. 

 

Perhaps Moncrief's best results came in the slot (the spot him and Dorsett will be fighting for) where he had an absurd 85.7% catch rate which was highest in the NFL (T- Emmanuel Sanders) and 2.03 yards per route run (5th in the NFL, behind only Jeremy Maclin, Emmanuel Sanders, DeAndre Hopkins, and Randall Cobb).

 

Moncrief (69.6%) finished the season with the 5th highest catch rate on all rookie WRs in 2014 (and 25th overall, and had by far the highest amongst Colt's WRs (the next closest was TY at 66.7% (36th)). And this is despite being the 10th most targeted WR on deep passes (where catch rate dramatically decreases).

 

The biggest plus for Moncrief this coming season is that he's already had a year in Pep Hamilton's offense. He's had a lot more time and experience in learning the concepts and ran a far more advanced route-tree than Dorsett did at Miami (which basically consisted of 3 routes).

 

I have no doubt that Moncrief will be the more productive player this season. 

[CheezyColt]

, love it!

[BPindy]

I don't think anyone really doubted this, Moncrief played well down the stretch and like you said, he has a year of learning the offense under his belt. Dorsett will make some splash plays but Moncrief will have a much bigger contribution throughout the year

[BPindy]

Never mind, just saw that massive thread. Apparently some do doubt it

[Colts_Fan12]

Awesome!! I totally agree

[horseshoeblue22]

Touche. I see the Dorsett pick as an admission by the scouts and coaches that they were not satisfied by Moncrief's rate of progression. They picked him because they are convinced he will have a large impact on what we hope is a Superbowl season.

Ya'll might see it differently, I am just looking at it from Grigson's perspective. He doesn't pick Dorsett in the first rd if he doesn't think it is an improvement over what we already have.

[ProblChld32]

i agree 150% whoever started that other thread about Dorsett having a better season than Moncrief is a joke.

[Colts_Fan12]

i agree 150% whoever started that other thread about Dorsett having a better season than Moncrief is a joke.

well Dorsett is the next OBJ

[ProblChld32]

well Dorset is the next OBJ

 

That's a very bold prediction lol

[Colts_Fan12]

That's a very bold prediction lol

sure is its psychotic how many are overhyping this guy lol

[crazycolt1]

Touche. I see the Dorsett pick as an admission by the scouts and coaches that they were not satisfied by Moncrief's rate of progression. They picked him because they are convinced he will have a large impact on what we hope is a Superbowl season.

Ya'll might see it differently, I am just looking at it from Grigson's perspective. He doesn't pick Dorsett in the first rd if he doesn't think it is an improvement over what we already have.

I see it completely different. Johnson has two years at the most. Carter is a big question mark. Whalen has yet to show he deserves a starting spot. Grigson drafted Dorsett to pair with Hilton and Moncrief for the future. There has been nothing negative in Moncrief's progression. It is normal for a receiver to take two or three years to become accustom to the NFL and playing against pro players. We can all speculate as to who will do more but that will change from game to game depending on the coverage. There will be games where the TEs will get the work. IMO I think you are off base with your comment about an admission of anything.

[Superman]

Touche. I see the Dorsett pick as an admission by the scouts and coaches that they were not satisfied by Moncrief's rate of progression. They picked him because they are convinced he will have a large impact on what we hope is a Superbowl season.

Ya'll might see it differently, I am just looking at it from Grigson's perspective. He doesn't pick Dorsett in the first rd if he doesn't think it is an improvement over what we already have.

 

You can't argue Dorsett as BPA and then turn around and say picking Dorsett means the coaches weren't satisfied with Moncrief. I guess you can, but you're undermining your own argument.

 

And I'm not sure what about Moncrief's rookie year would make anyone think the staff isn't happy with him and his progression. He was out-repping two accomplished vets by the end of the season. 

[Larry Horseman]

Moncrief will finish the season with more yards, more catches, more targets, and more TDs than Dorsett.

 

The Luck to Moncrief connection was one of the most efficient passing combos on a per snap basis in the NFL. When Luck targeted Moncrief, he had a passer rating of 122.0. That number was 6th among QB-WR combos. Behind only Cobb-Rodgers, Beasley-Romo, Nelson-Rodgers, OBJ-Eli, and Bryant-Roethlisberger. And above such combos as Dez-Romo, Sanders-Peyton, Hilton-Luck, and Jones-Ryan.

 

Dorsett has been praised for his hands, as he should, they were excellent. But Moncrief's last season were also good. Moncrief dropped only 2 passes on the season on 34 catchable targets (Dorsett dropped one on 37) for a drop rate on par with players like AJ Green, Mike Evans, Golden Tate, TY Hilton, Desean Jackson and Julio Jones. 

 

Perhaps Moncrief's best results came in the slot (the spot him and Dorsett will be fighting for) where he had an absurd 85.7% catch rate which was highest in the NFL (T- Emmanuel Sanders) and 2.03 yards per route run (5th in the NFL, behind only Jeremy Maclin, Emmanuel Sanders, DeAndre Hopkins, and Randall Cobb).

 

Moncrief (69.6%) finished the season with the 5th highest catch rate on all rookie WRs in 2014 (and 25th overall, and had by far the highest amongst Colt's WRs (the next closest was TY at 66.7% (36th)). And this is despite being the 10th most targeted WR on deep passes (where catch rate dramatically decreases).

 

The biggest plus for Moncrief this coming season is that he's already had a year in Pep Hamilton's offense. He's had a lot more time and experience in learning the concepts and ran a far more advanced route-tree than Dorsett did at Miami (which basically consisted of 3 routes).

 

I have no doubt that Moncrief will be the more productive player this season. 

 

Thanks for taking a deeper look at the stats.

 

I do think it should be pointed out that there is one fatal flaw in the argument: overall targets. All the WR you are comparing Moncrief to had substantially more targets than he did. I don't think it is fair to assume that efficiency will remain the same or increase if targets are increased. If anything, it is more likely that Moncrief would become less efficient with increased targets.

 

That said, there's no doubt that if Moncrief keeps progressing, he has a chance to be a really good WR. 

[Superman]

If anything, it is more likely that Moncrief would become less efficient with increased targets.

 

How so?

[ColtsLegacy]

sure is its psychotic how many are overhyping this guy lol

 

"Psychotic" . Give me a break.

[Andrew Luck fan club]

I think moncrief will have a great year, and I think he had a good rookie one. Dorsett will have a good rookie season too.

[horseshoeblue22]

You can't argue Dorsett as BPA and then turn around and say picking Dorsett means the coaches weren't satisfied with Moncrief. I guess you can, but you're undermining your own argument.

And I'm not sure what about Moncrief's rookie year would make anyone think the staff isn't happy with him and his progression. He was out-repping two accomplished vets by the end of the season.

Read Grigson's comments before the draft. He literally said he wasn't interested in drafting backups. He said they were going to forego players with "future potential" and guys that may need a year or two to develop. He said he constructed his board based on who he thinks will have the biggest impact this season. With a potential SB hanging in the balance, he is not looking towards the future, he is looking for guys that can start and contribute immediately.

It was reported after the draft that Dorsett was the best value on a board that placed heavy emphasis on immediate impact...and "it wasn't even close." The front office is in love with Dorsett. All comments coming out of Indy indicate that.

If Grigson wasn't interested in drafting backups, why should we believe he drafted a 4th string WR in the first round?

[Dustin]

Read Grigson's comments before the draft. He literally said he wasn't interested in drafting backups. He said they were going to forego players with "future potential" and guys that may need a year or two to develop. 

 

[Citation needed]

[OffensivelyPC]

Read Grigson's comments before the draft. He literally said he wasn't interested in drafting backups. He said they were going to forego players with "future potential" and guys that may need a year or two to develop. He said he constructed his board based on who he thinks will have the biggest impact this season. With a potential SB hanging in the balance, he is not looking towards the future, he is looking for guys that can start and contribute immediately.

It was reported after the draft that Dorsett was the best value on a board that placed heavy emphasis on immediate impact...and "it wasn't even close." The front office is in love with Dorsett. All comments coming out of Indy indicate that.

If Grigson wasn't interested in drafting backups, why should we believe he drafted a 4th string WR in the first round?

All of that points to drafting Dorsett because he was BPA and none of that speaks to their disappointment in Moncrief, especially the bolded portion.  

[Superman]

Read Grigson's comments before the draft. He literally said he wasn't interested in drafting backups. He said they were going to forego players with "future potential" and guys that may need a year or two to develop. He said he constructed his board based on who he thinks will have the biggest impact this season. With a potential SB hanging in the balance, he is not looking towards the future, he is looking for guys that can start and contribute immediately.

It was reported after the draft that Dorsett was the best value on a board that placed heavy emphasis on immediate impact...and "it wasn't even close." The front office is in love with Dorsett. All comments coming out of Indy indicate that.

If Grigson wasn't interested in drafting backups, why should we believe he drafted a 4th string WR in the first round?

 

I think you misunderstood Grigson's comments. My understanding was that they wanted players that had the potential to be more than backups, specifically in later rounds. Not that they expected everyone to be starters or major contributors right away. I don't remember him saying anything about staying away from players that might need time to develop. Like Dustin, I'd like a link to those comments.

 

And like I said in the other thread, how the staff feels about Dorsett isn't necessarily an indication of how they feel about Moncrief. And I don't see much of a link between sticking to their board at #29 and having an issue with the receivers already on the roster. I always thought a receiver would be drafted this year, I just didn't expect one in the first round.

 

Your stance seems to be informed by some erroneous conclusions. The bolded lines are what I take particular issue with.

[Bluefire4]

I don't agree but we will see.

[Larry Horseman]

How so?

 

56% of his yards and 33% of his catches came in two games. The OP is comparing him to players that are much more consistent over 16 games. To assume he would keep the same or similar catch rate he had in 2014 if he was targeted 100+ times is a stretch, IMO. This isn't a knock on Moncrief, just reality about utilization. I think DM is going to be a very solid WR 3 for the Colts for a number of years, but will never be a high volume catch guy, so his efficiency should not be compared to guys with two to three times the number of targets.

 

For example, Football Outsiders compares 50+ targets and 10-49 targets when calculating DYAR and DVOA. Moncrief does not rank favorable in either category (12th in DYAR and much lower in DVOA). WRs he is being compared to include M. Bryant (Pitt), Quick, Locket, M. Brown (Balt), etc. Not the high target, #1 and #2 WRs. 

[Valpo2004]

A full year of experience in the system. . . Moncrief see's more time, more snaps, more catches, more targets, and more yards.  TD's are too fluky so I won't make a prediction on that.  

 

That full year of experience is bigger then most people think.

[Superman]

56% of his yards and 33% of his catches came in two games. The OP is comparing him to players that are much more consistent over 16 games. To assume he would keep the same or similar catch rate he had in 2014 if he was targeted 100+ times is a stretch, IMO. This isn't a knock on Moncrief, just reality about utilization. I think DM is going to be a very solid WR 3 for the Colts for a number of years, but will never be a high volume catch guy, so his efficiency should not be compared to guys with two to three times the number of targets.

 

For example, Football Outsiders compares 50+ targets and 10-49 targets when calculating DYAR and DVOA. Moncrief does not rank favorable in either category (12th in DYAR and much lower in DVOA). WRs he is being compared to include M. Bryant (Pitt), Quick, Locket, M. Brown (Balt), etc. Not the high target, #1 and #2 WRs. 

 

I understand that you can't just extrapolate out his efficiency to higher targets without adjusting for other factors. But I don't understand why you're proceeding as if his efficiency would fall off a cliff with higher targets. You're doing the same thing, just to the other extreme. I feel more comfortable applying his proven efficiency to increased usage than I do with just arbitrarily concluding that his efficiency would suffer significantly. 

 

It seems to me that DYAR/DVOA are both highly influenced by volume anyways, so high DYAR/DVOA players have higher usage rates, and usually more TDs. But unless we're going to say that a player like Jordy Nelson or Julio Jones -- players with similar overall efficiency numbers to Moncrief -- would be exceedingly more efficient with less usage, I don't understand how you can conclude that Moncrief would be significantly less efficient with greater usage. I'm certainly not saying that if you give Moncrief 150 targets, he'll automatically be as productive as those guys; they are better, more polished, more experienced, etc. I'm looking for rationale that explains why his efficiency would necessarily be reduced with greater usage. 

[horseshoeblue22]

I will dig up the link to Grigson's comments when I get home, I am at work on break posting from a mobile device.

I just don't buy that Dorsett is "future potential" guy. Grigson has his job on the line, a potential Superbowl ring on the line, he cant afford to use a 1st round pick on future poential guy. He essentially said he would pass on future poential guy in favor of immediate impact guy. If he doesnt get an extension, he wont be around to see future poential guy pan out.

He used a first on Dorsett, so if you put two and two together you can conclude that he feels Dorsett is immediate impact guy. Not only that, but he was the best immediate impact guy left on the board and it wasnt even close. If he didn't think it was worth taking TY, AJ or Moncrief off the field to put Dorsett in, that pick makes no sense.

If he was satisfied with Moncrief stepping into the 2Wr or 3Wr role, I dont think he would have went to such great lengths to add WR depth in Carter, Johnson, Brown and Dorsett.

[throwing BBZ]

 How will Pep use Dorsett? His strength in this offense may be in quicker, shorter crossing patterns.

Something Andrew is Lame at so far. Hence all the so called "Drops".
He already has veterans and 2 TE`s for the short - mid-range game so DUH on a Rookie getting more targets than Moncrief!
 I wish Dorsett good health, and expect him to conribute a great deal in the return game and make some great plays as a WR.
 He very well could contribute More than Moncrief this season, which is the Better measureable, IMO!
 

 Andrew will over target Johnson of course, so barring injury, even though Moncrief will only get better, he will be stuck behind Johnson and that should limit his numbers for another season. Gotta LOVE our Depth for this SB run.

[dgambill]

I think Dorsett will have the better year based on the fact that he will see more playing time. Both I believe will still see limited playing time with Allen and Fleener still being used. I think Dorsett will get the #3 position and get a majority of the reps over Moncrief who I think will kind of be the #4 guy. I don't think they would draft a guy in the first rd and NOT get him on the field. Moncrief I think will be the #4 receiver and thus see limited snaps again similar to last year. I think Moncrief is capable of being a productive receiver...it just isn't his time. Unless something unforseen happens I gotta expect us to use Dorsett a lot this year. The speed and threat that he can provide along with Hilton...and the fact that Fleener will clear out space too should give Andre Johnson the whole field underneath to work. These guys will put a lot of pressure on opposing defenses and I wouldn't be surprised to see Luck push 5500 yards this year. I really like Dorsett. I love the way he tracks the ball in the air and how smooth he is in and out of his transition. Also that speed is no joke either. Definately him and TY will scare some folks...and then we got Moncrief and Johnson to tear up the middle of the field.

[Larry Horseman]

I'm looking for rationale that explains why his efficiency would necessarily be reduced with greater usage. 

 

Because he hasn't proven otherwise? Look, I'm a big DM fan; I just don't like comparing him to high volume WRs. It is, at best, a green to red apple comparison. I'm not saying it would fall off a cliff, I'm saying that it is a straw man to argue that he will be better than Dorsett by comparing him to the top tier WRs who have so many more targets. 

 

Re: DVOA and DYAR, I interpret them as being able to account for volume differences, not only within a specific position but also between positions.  DYAR: gives the value of the performance on plays where the WR caught the ball, compared to replacement level, adjusted for situation and opponent and then translated into yardage. DVOA: represents value, per play, over an average WR in the same game situations. Personally, I think these type of advanced metrics allow us to make better comparisons than what is in the OP since those don't account for volume in anyway. Using DYAR/DVOA, 2014 DM compares closely to high volume WRs (50+ catches) like 2014 Roddy White, 2014 Brandon Marshall, 2014 J. Landry (Miami). He was better than 2014 Reggie Wayne, 2014 Vincent Jackson, 2014 Hakeem Nicks, 2014 D. Bowe. As an interesting aside, Andre Johnson was putrid last year in DYAR and DVOA. 

 

If DM plays like White, Marshall, and Landry (2014) next year with increased snaps, I will be pleased. That said, he will still be less efficient than A. Brown, Nelson, Cobb, Beckham, Bryant, Jones, Thomas, Hilton, etc., unless he significantly improves with increased snaps. 

 

I do have a hard time projecting who will have a better year, Dorsett or Moncrief, based on any of these stats. Once training camp hits, we should have a better understanding of how they will be utilized. I actually think Hilton, Johnson, and the TEs will eat a lot of targets, keeping both Dorsett and Moncrief on the lower end...that said, both are explosive big play guys so that isn't a bad thing. I also think Pep used Moncrief very well last year and that accounts for some of his success. 

[throwing BBZ]

I will dig up the link to Grigson's comments when I get home, I am at work on break posting from a mobile device.

I just don't buy that Dorsett is "future potential" guy. Grigson has his job on the line, a potential Superbowl ring on the line, he cant afford to use a 1st round pick on future poential guy. He essentially said he would pass on future poential guy in favor of immediate impact guy. If he doesnt get an extension, he wont be around to see future poential guy pan out.

He used a first on Dorsett, so if you put two and two together you can conclude that he feels Dorsett is immediate impact guy. Not only that, but he was the best immediate impact guy left on the board and it wasnt even close. If he didn't think it was worth taking TY, AJ or Moncrief off the field to put Dorsett in, that pick makes no sense.

If he was satisfied with Moncrief stepping into the 2Wr or 3Wr role, I dont think he would have went to such great lengths to add WR depth in Carter, Johnson, Brown and Dorsett.

 

 So you think "the Great Length" they went to get Andre Johnson was based on Moncrief not being The Guy?

 Chuckle.

  Carter and Brown are just cheap prove it players with low expectations to contribute in any significant way. I mean YOU DO have to have at least 5 Healthy bodies come 53 man roster time.

 How much Better Grigson and Pep must be feeling having a Huge talent like Dorsett on the roster rather than having to count on those 2 if we have injuries.

 And of course TY has a HIGH Probability of moving on after this season, so there is an Obvious reason to feel Lucky Dorsett was on the board.

[Hoosiernsavga]

well Dorsett is the next OBJ

Dorsett will be a solid slot receiver in Indy. But OBJ hands are so much better than Dorsetts. It may be close if OBJ had one hand tied behind his back. Even so I still think he would be better.

[Stoney]

Dorsett is more talented. I like Moncriefs size tho, just needs to fill out his frame and add some muscle LBS. Otherwise we have a fantastic 4 man deep WR corps. Not to mention the possibilities of Duron C. I don't see the point in saying who will have the better season, they both play for our Colts. I think they'll both get their fair share of plays in. Can't wait to see Dorsetts speed.

[Superman]

Because he hasn't proven otherwise? 

 

He hasn't has the opportunity -- i.e., greater usage -- to prove otherwise. In the same vein, he certainly hasn't shown that he would be significantly less efficient.

 

You said he'd more likely to be less efficient with greater targets, and that struck me as odd. Catch rate, for instance, isn't really influenced by targets, not when you have a good QB. As a matter of fact, being that Moncrief has been a deep target player so far, it's likely to assume that greater targets would mean a higher percentage of short/intermediate targets and a lower percentage of deep targets, which actually might increase his catch rate and overall efficiency.

 

Or let the staff really work him in the slot, where he was outstanding, and then what?

 

Look, I'm a big DM fan......

 

All good points there. But take Roddy White's targets and apply Moncrief's catch rate, yards/catch and targets/TD, and you have 81 catches, 1,125 yards, and 8 TDs. Yuck, right?

 

To me, it all comes down to reps and targets, and I have no idea how that stands to be divvied up between all the skill guys. You mentioned the TEs, and then we like to throw the ball to the backs, and AJ should be the possession guy... there might only be crumbs for Moncrief and Dorsett in 2015. Right now, it looks like we have an embarrassment of riches and a good foundation for the future.

[bananabucket]

I see them having similar production.

[Caleb3502]

I'm thinking as far as yardage goes:

 

Hilton - 1,000+

Johnson 800-1,000 

Fleener - 600

Allen - 600

Moncrief - 700  

Dorsett - 500

 

So around 4,200 - 4400 yards among the 6 main WRs and TEs, which is probably more than what they will actually get because Herron and Gore will see a good number of targets. 

[SilentHill]

I think there are too many WR / TE on this roster to come to any rock solid conclusion on who will fall where in terms of catches, targets, etc.

 

At this point you might as well play roulette.

[BOTT]

I'm thinking as far as yardage goes:

Hilton - 1,000+

Johnson 800-1,000

Fleener - 600

Allen - 600

Moncrief - 700

Dorsett - 500

So around 4,200 - 4400 yards among the 6 main WRs and TEs, which is probably more than what they will actually get because Herron and Gore will see a good number of targets.

If AJ lines up in the slot often I could see him leading the way

[TKnight24]

Read Grigson's comments before the draft. He literally said he wasn't interested in drafting backups. He said they were going to forego players with "future potential" and guys that may need a year or two to develop. He said he constructed his board based on who he thinks will have the biggest impact this season. With a potential SB hanging in the balance, he is not looking towards the future, he is looking for guys that can start and contribute immediately.

It was reported after the draft that Dorsett was the best value on a board that placed heavy emphasis on immediate impact...and "it wasn't even close." The front office is in love with Dorsett. All comments coming out of Indy indicate that.

If Grigson wasn't interested in drafting backups, why should we believe he drafted a 4th string WR in the first round?

Don't remember Grigson saying this but do remember him saying he won't draft character issue concern players in the early rounds so he basically limited himself to Dorsett and maybe a few others

[TKnight24]

Touche. I see the Dorsett pick as an admission by the scouts and coaches that they were not satisfied by Moncrief's rate of progression. They picked him because they are convinced he will have a large impact on what we hope is a Superbowl season.

Ya'll might see it differently, I am just looking at it from Grigson's perspective. He doesn't pick Dorsett in the first rd if he doesn't think it is an improvement over what we already have.

No, they took Dorsett cause if Johnson somehow gets hurt.... we're back to square one where Hilton gets doubled and then no one can take over the game thus leading to the Colts getting spanked

Outside of Moncrief, Johnson, & Hilton...... there was no one else Before they took Dorsett

[Warhorse]

I think everyone is wrong. I hope they have exactly the same numbers..and exactly the same impact, that way all that predict are wrong. 

 

 

[Larry Horseman]

He hasn't has the opportunity -- i.e., greater usage -- to prove otherwise. In the same vein, he certainly hasn't shown that he would be significantly less efficient.

 

You said he'd more likely to be less efficient with greater targets, and that struck me as odd. Catch rate, for instance, isn't really influenced by targets, not when you have a good QB. As a matter of fact, being that Moncrief has been a deep target player so far, it's likely to assume that greater targets would mean a higher percentage of short/intermediate targets and a lower percentage of deep targets, which actually might increase his catch rate and overall efficiency.

 

Or let the staff really work him in the slot, where he was outstanding, and then what?

 

 

All good points there. But take Roddy White's targets and apply Moncrief's catch rate, yards/catch and targets/TD, and you have 81 catches, 1,125 yards, and 8 TDs. Yuck, right?

 

To me, it all comes down to reps and targets, and I have no idea how that stands to be divvied up between all the skill guys. You mentioned the TEs, and then we like to throw the ball to the backs, and AJ should be the possession guy... there might only be crumbs for Moncrief and Dorsett in 2015. Right now, it looks like we have an embarrassment of riches and a good foundation for the future.

 

I see your side and everything you say is valid. Guess I'm just arguing the other one. In reality, it is projecting stats based on 1 year in the league when the team won't look the same from a personnel standpoint next year. There's not a right or wrong way to do it and any argument is going to have holes.

 

The Colts are no doubt flush with pass catchers, but if Hilton or AJ is injured for a significant amount of time, we will be happy as fans to have that depth, which is why I didn't mind the Dorsett pick at all.

 

It will be interesting to see how the Moncrief/Dorsett thing shakes out by the end of the season. By no means do I think Dorsett was picked because the FO and staff were down on Moncrief. If I had to bet (assuming no significant injuries to WRs), I think them as a combo will be similar to the Fleener/Allen combo last year. If you combine their stats into a single player, said player had one heck of a season, but when viewed separately, neither statistically lit the world on fire. And that's not at all a bad thing.