NFL.com adds asterisk next to Tom Brady's name

[wig]

I mean....I guess you can make the claim if you want...but really that was just one guy's opinion and he happened to have a platform. I could reference 5 other articles that don't share that view.

It represents how the people outside of NE feel.

[Buck Showalter]

I understand New England won because of the interception and that Brady was on the sidelines,  but I believe it was Brady who was named MVP.    (Perhaps it was shared with Butler?)

 

Look,  I'm not offended by taking some air out of the footballs.   I said so back when it happened and in several other posts.

 

But I was/am offended by the cover-up and the effort by Kraft to deflect and not take responsibility.

 

I think most professional athletes wouldn't even call what Brady did cheating....  I think you used the word in your post -- Gamesmanship.

 

Just a very small competitive edge.   I think we'd all be surprised -- me included -- at how many teams do little things like that looking for some small edge.

 

I wouldn't even be surprised if the Colts are one of those teams.    I hope this entire episode never comes back to bite us in the rump.

 

Right, the NFL has a policy in place & ref's check air pressure pregame, so altering any aspect of the game after the league's regulated check & safe guard is suspect...

Asterisk totally earned...

[dw49]

I understand New England won because of the interception and that Brady was on the sidelines,  but I believe it was Brady who was named MVP.    (Perhaps it was shared with Butler?)

 

Look,  I'm not offended by taking some air out of the footballs.   I said so back when it happened and in several other posts.

 

But I was/am offended by the cover-up and the effort by Kraft to deflect and not take responsibility.

 

I think most professional athletes wouldn't even call what Brady did cheating....  I think you used the word in your post -- Gamesmanship.

 

Just a very small competitive edge.   I think we'd all be surprised -- me included -- at how many teams do little things like that looking for some small edge.

 

I wouldn't even be surprised if the Colts are one of those teams.    I hope this entire episode never comes back to bite us in the rump.

 

 

 

I think you have things a bit distorted when you call what Brady did Gamesmanship. This is what you are talking about when you say "doctoring a football " is not a big issue.

 

 http://espn.go.com/blog/minnesota-vikings/post/_/id/11218/nfl-aware-of-game-ball-incident-during-panthers-vikings

 

That was an incident that occurred on a feeling cold day and was done for obvious reasons. The officials saw ball boys doing this and warned both teams. Ehhh... end of story. What you and the state on Mass are doing is comparing that to Tom Brady conspiring to alter all the footballs they were using by sticking them with needles . It was giving them the distinct advantage for grip and ball security game in and game out for God knows how many years. This is much different than two teams trying to warm up a ball in zero degree weather . One is a single incident that both teams were trying to pull off .. done in from of officials , TV camera and game officials. The other is stealing inspected balls what appears to probably be every game and sneak them into a pee room and jabbing them. Way different and I'm sure not what the NFL was thinking when they started the penalty off at 25K...

[NewColtsFan]

I think you have things a bit distorted when you call what Brady did Gamesmanship. This is what you are talking about when you say "doctoring a football " is not a big issue.

 

 http://espn.go.com/blog/minnesota-vikings/post/_/id/11218/nfl-aware-of-game-ball-incident-during-panthers-vikings

 

That was an incident that occurred on a feeling cold day and was done for obvious reasons. The officials saw ball boys doing this and warned both teams. Ehhh... end of story. What you and the state on Mass are doing is comparing that to Tom Brady conspiring to alter all the footballs they were using by sticking them with needles . It was giving them the distinct advantage for grip and ball security game in and game out for God knows how many years. This is much different than two teams trying to warm up a ball in zero degree weather . One is a single incident that both teams were trying to pull off .. done in from of officials , TV camera and game officials. The other is stealing inspected balls what appears to probably be every game and sneak them into a pee room and jabbing them. Way different and I'm sure not what the NFL was thinking when they started the penalty off at 25K...

 

Seriously,  you don't have to explain things to me.   I think I may have been the very first here to write about how serious the NFL would view this and how a big penalty was coming.   And I said it back when it became public in January.     And guess what happened..................?

 

I'm not saying I approve of what New England did.    I'm just saying I wasn't offended.   The Colts didn't lose the game because of what New England/Brady did.

 

Gaylord Perry is in baseball's Hall of Fame and everyone on the planet knows his best pitcher was a spitball.    That's cheating.

 

The Boston Celtics would turn up the heat in the visiting locker-rooms at the Old Boston Garden during the playoffs.   It was like a sauna.    It may not be cheating, but it certainly wasn't very sporting of them.

 

As I said when I wrote it....   I think most professional athletes -- I'm not just talking football --  I'm talking most professional athletes,  would not think of this as cheating.    At least not serious cheating.

 

And as I noted in another post,  I would not be surprised if lots of teams -- possibly even the Colts -- have done things that go right up to the line of acceptable/not acceptable.    All I'm saying is this type of thing happens far more in professional sports than most people realize.

 

As former Tampa Bay GM Mark Dominick put it the day the NFL dropped the hammer on New England,  "I think 31 NFL owners have called their GM's today to say that if we're doing anything that might possibly considered crossing the line,  let's stop it right now."

 

If a former NFL GM is saying that,  he knows this kind of thing is more common than fans realize.

[dw49]

Seriously,  you don't have to explain things to me.   I think I may have been the very first here to write about how serious the NFL would view this and how a big penalty was coming.   And I said it back when it became public in January.     And guess what happened..................?

 

I'm not saying I approve of what New England did.    I'm just saying I wasn't offended.   The Colts didn't lose the game because of what New England/Brady did.

 

Gaylord Perry is in baseball's Hall of Fame and everyone on the planet knows his best pitcher was a spitball.    That's cheating.

 

The Boston Celtics would turn up the heat in the visiting locker-rooms at the Old Boston Garden during the playoffs.   It was like a sauna.    It may not be cheating, but it certainly wasn't very sporting of them.

 

As I said when I wrote it....   I think most professional athletes -- I'm not just talking football --  I'm talking most professional athletes,  would not think of this as cheating.    At least not serious cheating.

 

And as I noted in another post,  I would not be surprised if lots of teams -- possibly even the Colts -- have done things that go right up to the line of acceptable/not acceptable.    All I'm saying is this type of thing happens far more in professional sports than most people realize.

 

As former Tampa Bay GM Mark Dominick put it the day the NFL dropped the hammer on New England,  "I think 31 NFL owners have called their GM's today to say that if we're doing anything that might possibly considered crossing the line,  let's stop it right now."

 

If a former NFL GM is saying that,  he knows this kind of thing is more common than fans realize.

 

 

If you don't get it you don't get it... what can I say. When someone starts off by saying what you did  "Seriously,  you don't have to explain things to me. "   it usually points to ... 

 

 

Ohhh and where are you getting the info to post this...As I said when I wrote it....   I think most professional athletes -- I'm not just talking football --  I'm talking most professional athletes,  would not think of this as cheating.   

 

Are you a professional athlete by any chance ?

[HOZER]

If deflating balls isn't cheating or didn't give you some sort of advantage then it wouldn't be against the rules. Cheating must NOT be tolerated, no matter who is doing it.

[OffensivelyPC]

Seriously, you don't have to explain things to me. I think I may have been the very first here to write about how serious the NFL would view this and how a big penalty was coming. And I said it back when it became public in January. And guess what happened..................?

I'm not saying I approve of what New England did. I'm just saying I wasn't offended. The Colts didn't lose the game because of what New England/Brady did.

Gaylord Perry is in baseball's Hall of Fame and everyone on the planet knows his best pitcher was a spitball. That's cheating.

The Boston Celtics would turn up the heat in the visiting locker-rooms at the Old Boston Garden during the playoffs. It was like a sauna. It may not be cheating, but it certainly wasn't very sporting of them.

As I said when I wrote it.... I think most professional athletes -- I'm not just talking football -- I'm talking most professional athletes, would not think of this as cheating. At least not serious cheating.

And as I noted in another post, I would not be surprised if lots of teams -- possibly even the Colts -- have done things that go right up to the line of acceptable/not acceptable. All I'm saying is this type of thing happens far more in professional sports than most people realize.

As former Tampa Bay GM Mark Dominick put it the day the NFL dropped the hammer on New England, "I think 31 NFL owners have called their GM's today to say that if we're doing anything that might possibly considered crossing the line, let's stop it right now."

If a former NFL GM is saying that, he knows this kind of thing is more common than fans realize.

8 guess I have the same concrete difference with you and every patriot fan...if you don't think there is a difference between 0.5 psi and active attempts to conceal the release of 0.5 psi, we will forever disagree.

[NewColtsFan]

If you don't get it you don't get it... what can I say. When someone starts off by saying what you did  "Seriously,  you don't have to explain things to me. "   it usually points to ... 

 

 

Ohhh and where are you getting the info to post this...As I said when I wrote it....   I think most professional athletes -- I'm not just talking football --  I'm talking most professional athletes,  would not think of this as cheating.   

 

Are you a professional athlete by any chance ?

 

No,  I'm not a professional athlete by chance.

 

I was a member of the media for 30 years and covered sports.

 

It's my opinion.    I could easily be wrong.

 

I don't know why my views bother you so much,  but they apparently do.

[NewColtsFan]

8 guess I have the same concrete difference with you and every patriot fan...if you don't think there is a difference between 0.5 psi and active attempts to conceal the release of 0.5 psi, we will forever disagree.

 

 

Here's a sentence I wrote in my previous post.    Perhaps it didn't quite register....

 

 

 

I'm not saying I approve of what New England did. I'm just saying I wasn't offended.  The Colts didn't lose the game because of what New England/Brady did.

[dw49]

No,  I'm not a professional athlete by chance.

 

I was a member of the media for 30 years and covered sports.

 

It's my opinion.    I could easily be wrong.

 

I don't know why my views bother you so much,  but they apparently do.

 

 

Just gave you another approach to it. If it offended you , it was unintentional. Let's  just move on as this is getting old and stale anyway. 

[BloodyChamp]

The writer should have just put the asterisk in and not acknowledged it. That would have been a billion times funnier (which is his ultimate goal) once it snowballed. Still hilarious though.

[OffensivelyPC]

Here's a sentence I wrote in my previous post.    Perhaps it didn't quite register....

 

 

 

I'm not saying I approve of what New England did. I'm just saying I wasn't offended.  The Colts didn't lose the game because of what New England/Brady did.

Look, I feel like I've had this argument with the Patriot fans that frequent these forums enough times...our disagreement is headed down that same road.  Literally, it started the same way.  So, like I said, I have a fundamental disagreement with you and every Patriot fan.  I'm sorry but that's just the way it is.  I've spent far too much time on these forums arguing the same point with Patriot fans taht you and I are apparently about to go down...I'd rather not take it out on a fellow fan. 

[Gramz]

Here's a sentence I wrote in my previous post.    Perhaps it didn't quite register....

 

 

 

I'm not saying I approve of what New England did. I'm just saying I wasn't offended.  The Colts didn't lose the game because of what New England/Brady did.

NCF ~  no-one is disputing that fact.

 

And it's okay that the simple act of deflating the footballs didn't offend you.   I can't speak for anyone else but myself, but that simple fact in itself did in fact offend me,  but NOT nearly as much as much as the denying and trying to cover it up did.  

[NewColtsFan]

NCF ~  no-one is disputing that fact.

 

And it's okay that the simple act of deflating the footballs didn't offend you.   I can't speak for anyone else but myself, but that simple fact in itself did in fact offend me,  but NOT nearly as much as much as the denying and trying to cover it up did.  

 

 

I still feel like I'm being misinterpreted....   I'm being lumped in with Patriots fans and I strongly disagree with that view.

 

I said the day this broke that this was a big deal.    That the NFL would come down hard on New England.   I fought with Patriots fans for months who tried to dismiss this as not a big deal.    I said over and over again that this was a big deal -- at least in the eyes of the NFL it is.

 

I just don't shock all that much and recognize that many teams try to gain a bit of an edge when they can.     Somehow my view that I wasn't offended by what the Patriots did has been interpreted as saying this was not a big deal.   And that's just not the case at all.

[ColtsBlueFL]

I understand New England won because of the interception and that Brady was on the sidelines,  but I believe it was Brady who was named MVP.    (Perhaps it was shared with Butler?)

 

Look,  I'm not offended by taking some air out of the footballs.   I said so back when it happened and in several other posts.

 

But I was/am offended by the cover-up and the effort by Kraft to deflect and not take responsibility.

 

I think most professional athletes wouldn't even call what Brady did cheating....  I think you used the word in your post -- Gamesmanship.

 

Just a very small competitive edge.   I think we'd all be surprised -- me included -- at how many teams do little things like that looking for some small edge.

 

I wouldn't even be surprised if the Colts are one of those teams.    I hope this entire episode never comes back to bite us in the rump.

 

A. Gamemanship: Pushing limits of rules, not ever explicitly crossing them; trying for an advantage.

B. Cheating: Consciously going beyond mandated limits specified within the Rules, gaining a unilateral Advantage.

 

Tom Brady = B.

[BloodyChamp]

I think all teams think about it but are either to scared to try it or that they do try it and get nailed fast like the Steeler's stunt against the Ravens. To pull off what the Pats have pulled off, you have to have a really smart and savy quarterback, coach and owner. Like it or not Brady, Belichik and F

Kraft are that.

Could you see Harbaugh, Kaep, and York pulling such a thing off? They've got the will to do it alright...but not the brains if you multiplied their brains by 1000.

[IcEWoLF]

In before the NFLPA hands Roger his rear and these boards implode when Brady is cleared. Now that would be truly funny.

[NewColtsFan]

In before the NFLPA hands Roger his rear and these boards implode when Brady is cleared. Now that would be truly funny.

 

Sorry,  but Brady is never going to be cleared.    That's.....  never.

 

He may get off on a technicality, or a judge's ruling,  but the NFL will always view that he did something wrong and something illegal.

 

And so will the other 49 states and fans of 31 other teams.

[BOTT]

NFL.com should put an asterisk by Bucky Brooks' name after compiling that atrocious list.

Brady is easily top 3.....deflategate has been wildly overblown when is comes to Brady

Having Wilson at 4 is laughable

[ColtRider]

STENCH

1. an offensive smell or odor; stink.

2. a foul quality.

Used in a sentence.....

"Brady's ( ) standing on this list is a reflection of the stench emanating from the Deflategate scandal (hence the asterisk)."

Thought I'd add the most interesting and intriguing quote in the piece :

"... the Patriots long-termed success has been fueled by various mis-deeds ..."

Kinda sums up the last 15 years, doesn't it?

[jvan1973]

In before the NFLPA hands Roger his rear and these boards implode when Brady is cleared. Now that would be truly funny.

You understand that the only way the can "hand Roger his rear" is in federal court. In the appeal , Roger is judge jury and executioner.

[Gramz]

I just read there's a Free Tom Brady rally at Gillette today. Free him from what?

[ColtRider]

I just read there's a Free Tom Brady rally at Gillette today. Free him from what?

Cheetah Lye Covert Prison : it's located in upstate Massachusetts next to the Ruling River!

[BlueShoe]

I have given brady an asterisk. I refuse to capitalize his name.

[AndreRison]

Seriously, you don't have to explain things to me. I think I may have been the very first here to write about how serious the NFL would view this and how a big penalty was coming. And I said it back when it became public in January. And guess what happened..................?

I'm not saying I approve of what New England did. I'm just saying I wasn't offended. The Colts didn't lose the game because of what New England/Brady did.

Gaylord Perry is in baseball's Hall of Fame and everyone on the planet knows his best pitcher was a spitball. That's cheating.

The Boston Celtics would turn up the heat in the visiting locker-rooms at the Old Boston Garden during the playoffs. It was like a sauna. It may not be cheating, but it certainly wasn't very sporting of them.

As I said when I wrote it.... I think most professional athletes -- I'm not just talking football -- I'm talking most professional athletes, would not think of this as cheating.

Manning thought it was cheating. Brunell thought it was cheating. Feeley thought it was cheating.

[PeterBowman]

I just read there's a Free Tom Brady rally at Gillette today. Free him from what?

And a whopping 150 people showed

[Gramz]

And a whopping 150 people showed

. That many?

[NFLfan]

Manning thought it was cheating. Brunell thought it was cheating. Feeley thought it was cheating.

Jim Kelly thought so too.

Quote:

He also knows that New England Patriots quarterback Tom Brady was knowingly involved in Deflategate, and cheated.

“Oh, there’s no doubt,” Kelly told the panel of We Need To Talk. “There’s no way that an equipment manager in the National Football League is going to do something to the football without the greatest quarterback ever to play knowing.

“You do something like that, you’re going to get caught. And Tom didn’t need to do it.”

http://ftw.usatoday.com/2015/05/jim-kelly-says-theres-no-doubt-tom-brady-cheated

[ColtRider]

I still feel like I'm being misinterpreted....   I'm being lumped in with Patriots fans and I strongly disagree with that view.

 

I said the day this broke that this was a big deal.    That the NFL would come down hard on New England.   I fought with Patriots fans for months who tried to dismiss this as not a big deal.    I said over and over again that this was a big deal -- at least in the eyes of the NFL it is.

 

I just don't shock all that much and recognize that many teams try to gain a bit of an edge when they can.     Somehow my view that I wasn't offended by what the Patriots did has been interpreted as saying this was not a big deal.   And that's just not the case at all.

I really believe and think that a lot of ColtsFans got the wrong idea where definitions are concerned here, NCF! Being "offended" contains many, many, many synonyms by origin. Yes, the general term seems to be cross-matched in the wrong way, concerning the way it was used by you and mis-understood by some. However, seeing that you have worked in the media, for the media, and for such a long time is where the misunderstandings come into play.

Knowing you by your posts, as to what I consider a true & bonafide fan of Indianapolis, I'm going to try and take a shot at what I feel you truly meant by saying it didn't "offend" you. Out of the many synonyms that could be used here to truly describe your meaning, and I'm not going to list them all for there are many, the term ... "Basket case"... seems to fit best, from the overall posts that I have seen from you concerning this meaning. Also, by adding your long-tenured work in the media for over 30 years or so, it also stands to reason for this definition/synonym which apparently was taken the wrong way by a few. I could be waaaay off base here, but that's the impression that I came to a conclusion with.

[Shane Bond]

And a whopping 150 people showed

I am sure all the die hard fans showed up. Grand total of 150

[ColtRider]

I really believe and think that a lot of ColtsFans got the wrong idea where definitions are concerned here, NCF! Being "offended" contains many, many, many synonyms by origin. Yes, the general term seems to be cross-matched in the wrong way, concerning the way it was used by you and mis-understood by some. However, seeing that you have worked in the media, for the media, and for such a long time is where the misunderstandings come into play.

Knowing you by your posts, as to what I consider a true & bonafide fan of Indianapolis, I'm going to try and take a shot at what I feel you truly meant by saying it didn't "offend" you. Out of the many synonyms that could be used here to truly describe your meaning, and I'm not going to list them all for there are many, the term ... "Basket case"... seems to fit best, from the overall posts that I have seen from you concerning this meaning. Also, by adding your long-tenured work in the media for over 30 years or so, it also stands to reason for this definition/synonym which apparently was taken the wrong way by a few. I could be waaaay off base here, but that's the impression that I came to a conclusion with.

This may be a tough one to figure out. I worded this way for a reason. If you get it, you get it. If you don't, well, therein lies the problem with definitions/synonyms that others use not to "offend", but rather, prove a point without "offending".

[NewColtsFan]

I'll take another crack at this.....

 

When the incident happened,  I didn't know the rule was you couldn't mess with the footballs.   I didn't know it had been outlawed in the last 6-10 years or so. 

 

I just assumed most QB's did this.   And so when it happened and I heard about it,  I thought of this as a misdemeanor, and not a felony.    So, I wasn't offended by what I thought was a lesser crime.

 

That said,  I also said the NFL was going to view this much different than I did.   That they'd see this as a competitive advantage thing which the league takes seriously.   I was among the first here to proclaim that the NFL would think this was indeed a very big deal and would drop the hammer on the Patriots.

 

I wrote about a month ago that Brady should come out and own it.

 

Say the guys did it at his request.  That he didn't think it was that big a deal.   That he thought of it as doing 75 in a 65 zone.  And the only reason he didn't own up to it at his press conference was the reaction was so stunning and surprising to him he was afraid he'd get suspended for the Super Bowl and he wasn't going to let that happen.   But now that we're beyond that,  he's ready to admit his guilt and take his punishment.

 

That's what I thought when this happened in January.   That's what I thought a month ago.   And this is what I think now.

 

I'm sorry it seems to have offended a number of posters here.   That was never my intention.

[ColtsBlueFL]

Jim Kelly thought so too.

Quote:

He also knows that New England Patriots quarterback Tom Brady was knowingly involved in Deflategate, and cheated.

“Oh, there’s no doubt,” Kelly told the panel of We Need To Talk. “There’s no way that an equipment manager in the National Football League is going to do something to the football without the greatest quarterback ever to play knowing.

“You do something like that, you’re going to get caught. And Tom didn’t need to do it.”

http://ftw.usatoday.com/2015/05/jim-kelly-says-theres-no-doubt-tom-brady-cheated

 

Don't forget 3 time Super Bowl winner Troy Aikman. He doesn't buy Brady's* story either--

 

"“Used to, the home team provided all the balls. And now, each team brings their footballs the way they like them and break ’em in. Used to you couldn’t break them in. “So for the balls to be deflated, that doesn’t happen unless the quarterback wants that to happen, I can assure you of that."

 

http://ftw.usatoday.com/2015/01/troy-aikman-says-its-obvious-tom-brady-had-a-role-in-deflategate

[Flying Elvis]

If deflating balls isn't cheating or didn't give you some sort of advantage then it wouldn't be against the rules. Cheating must NOT be tolerated, no matter who is doing it.

I believe the psi rule was just a suggestion from the ball manufacturer. The fines were put in to keep kickers from messing with the balls.

 

George Young, Senior VP of football operations in 1999 - “Quarterbacks have complained to us about the condition of some of the balls used in the game. We want to make sure the quarterbacks are comfortable with the balls.”

[GoColts8818]

Anyone else starting to feel like Bill Murray in Groundhog Day?

[Mouthfire]

I'll take another crack at this.....

When the incident happened, I didn't know the rule was you couldn't mess with the footballs. I didn't know it had been outlawed in the last 6-10 years or so.

I just assumed most QB's did this. And so when it happened and I heard about it, I thought of this as a misdemeanor, and not a felony. So, I wasn't offended by what I thought was a lesser crime.

That said, I also said the NFL was going to view this much different than I did. That they'd see this as a competitive advantage thing which the league takes seriously. I was among the first here to proclaim that the NFL would think this was indeed a very big deal and would drop the hammer on the Patriots.

I wrote about a month ago that Brady should come out and own it.

Say the guys did it at his request. That he didn't think it was that big a deal. That he thought of it as doing 75 in a 65 zone. And the only reason he didn't own up to it at his press conference was the reaction was so stunning and surprising to him he was afraid he'd get suspended for the Super Bowl and he wasn't going to let that happen. But now that we're beyond that, he's ready to admit his guilt and take his punishment.

That's what I thought when this happened in January. That's what I thought a month ago. And this is what I think now.

I'm sorry it seems to have offended a number of posters here. That was never my intention.

I think it's a bit more than that. Let's just skim past how much the underinflation really helped the Pats or not. I think it really did, but that's less important for this discussion. For this discussion, let's even ignore the fact that Brady has been lying to the league about it.

This wasn't just a matter of "Whoops, we just slightly underinflated the balls. My bad!". This was a premeditated and concerted effort to circumvent the rules. Remember, you had the Pats lackeys stealing away with the balls, running to some hidden corner, then intentionally deflating the balls and decieving the officials at hand. It *clearly* wasn't something that would have happened by accident.

The level of planning and premeditation involved in the act showed a clear and blatant disregard for the rules. This wasn't just a simple "Whoops!". They clearly put a lot of effort into this. Similar to how a premeditated murder is far worse in the court's view them a simple manslaughter, the amount of planning and intent makes the crime worse. For that reason, it wouldn't be the NFL equivalent of a " misdemeanor"... it would be a "felony", and I think the punishment is very appropriate.

[OffensivelyPC]

I'll take another crack at this.....

When the incident happened, I didn't know the rule was you couldn't mess with the footballs. I didn't know it had been outlawed in the last 6-10 years or so.

I just assumed most QB's did this. And so when it happened and I heard about it, I thought of this as a misdemeanor, and not a felony. So, I wasn't offended by what I thought was a lesser crime.

That said, I also said the NFL was going to view this much different than I did. That they'd see this as a competitive advantage thing which the league takes seriously. I was among the first here to proclaim that the NFL would think this was indeed a very big deal and would drop the hammer on the Patriots.

I wrote about a month ago that Brady should come out and own it.

Say the guys did it at his request. That he didn't think it was that big a deal. That he thought of it as doing 75 in a 65 zone. And the only reason he didn't own up to it at his press conference was the reaction was so stunning and surprising to him he was afraid he'd get suspended for the Super Bowl and he wasn't going to let that happen. But now that we're beyond that, he's ready to admit his guilt and take his punishment.

That's what I thought when this happened in January. That's what I thought a month ago. And this is what I think now.

I'm sorry it seems to have offended a number of posters here. That was never my intention.

when we spoke before it came across as that you weren't offended (a) that he did and (b) that it was covered up. While I can't tell you how to feel about something g, it's pretty hard to say the quoted post without somewhat justifying their actions. Since the inception of this story, the possibility of a cover up has always been in play, so for many of us, if you don't see a problem with underinflated balls that's one thing. But from your previous posts (at least the ones I've responded to, hoping my memory is correct) and the one above, I still don't get the sense that you don't take issue with any cover up, and that's where I strongly disagree and think that's why many lump your opinion with pats fans. At least that was my take. Doesn't make you or them bad. Just highly objectionable (not to be confused with offended...this is, at the end of the day, a game).

[Colts_Fan12]

I am sure all the die hard fans showed up. Grand total of 150

yep most are just bandwagon fans that jumped on when they started winning (well started cheating to win).

[Shane Bond]

yep most are just bandwagon fans that jumped on when they started winning (well started cheating to win).

150 to support in a city of millions. That's embarrassing.

[dynasty13]

150 to support in a city of millions. That's embarrassing.

Hahhaah....city of millions?

Dude, this thread is the first I even heard about it. You make it sound like this was something the Patriots promoted and couldn't get anyone to show up to.