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Top-5 in the entire NFL...That's highly debatable,.

Revis, Sherman, Haden, Peterson, Talib,

Vontae is Top-10 or Top-15 maybe

Sherman and Revis sure, but you can't seriously rate Peterson and Talib better than Davis, certainly not last year. Davis has a legitimate argument for the top or #2 corner in the NFL this past season. Anything is debatable, a lot if people would not put Luck in the top 5 at this point.

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Go back and watch every throw Andrew made to DHB... Sure there are a few innacurate ones, but more often than not Luck hit him right where he needed to and DHB just dropped the ball..... literally...

Poor boy...Darius Heyward Bey...I felt sorry for him.. Hope he saved his money

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Sherman and Revis sure, but you can't seriously rate Peterson and Talib better than Davis, certainly not last year. Davis has a legitimate argument for the top or #2 corner in the NFL this past season. Anything is debatable, a lot if people would not put Luck in the top 5 at this point.

Harris from Denver was ranked No.1 Joe Haden is very good

..and yes..Patrick Peterson and Aquib are better than Vontae Davis. Its no shame. We can keep him

Are you saying Andrew Luck deserves less credit and Vonate should get more?

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Harris from Denver was ranked No.1 Joe Haden is very good

..and yes..Patrick Peterson and Aquib are better than Vontae Davis. Its no shame. We can keep him

Are you saying Andrew Luck deserves less credit and Vonate should get more?

No, not at all, but I do think you are under rating Davis. Guess what, he was rated #2 behind Harris, and Harris rarely covered #1 receivers. Davis didn't give up a TD all year. I think he's top 5 to a lot of people, was my point. I think Luck is #5 in the NFL right now. He deserves every bit of credit he gets

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Davis is a top 5 CB, at least he was last season. You can make the case that TY deserves to be considered a top 5 WR today. Reggie Wayne was a top 5 receiver before he tore his ACL. Mathis was a top 5 pass rusher before the Achilles tear. Fleener, if you disregard his struggles as a blocker, would likely crack the top 10 for receiving tight ends. Dwayne Allen is a top 5 FB/H-Back, who also plays TE. Ahmad Bradshaw put up very good stats each year before his injuries. Mike Adams forced more turnovers then any other defensive player last year, maybe he cracks the top 5-10 list for safeties, based on his stats last year. Jonathan Newsome led all rookies in sacks. The defense nearly finished in the top 10, and our kicking specialists literally couldn't be better. Vinny and Patty Mac are the best kicker and punter in the league.

 

We have plenty more players worth mentioning, even if they aren't elite. Arthur Jones is a very good player, and D'Qwell Jackson made the pro bowl despite being fairly poor in pass coverage. Toler had some games where he played REALLY well, but struggled with week to week consistency. Moncrief looks promising. Boom and Ballard have had their moments where they have been very successful over short periods of time. We have the players to get the job done.

 

I don't think Luck is overrated, but I do think he make too many mistakes for my liking, and it too often gets blamed on those around him.

 

That is exactly the point I was trying to get across. Here are a few quotes from around the internet, after a quick search. There are more then a few people that think the Colts are "wasting" Luck's career by not surrounding him with elite talent.

 

It’s a shame Luck’s career is going to waste with numbskulls like Grigson and Irsay running the show.

 

They’d win a lot more than two with Luck at the helm if Irsay wasn’t the owner.

 

I’m no Colts fan, but boy o boy, is Luck a marvelous player. Get him some defensive help.

 

You might want to mix in somebody to protect your QB or a defensive playmaker. Indy is wasting this guy’s career with how they’re going about building this team.

 

The Colts window is already closed. They had Luck on his relatively modest rookie deal and failed to construct a Super Bowl contender around him. Once he gets his massive extension that will make him one of the very top paid QBs in the league, they won’t be able to afford to build one.

 

If I was luck I’d want out badly. Bad coaching bad players bad owner. In two years the steelers or Giants will prob need a qb. No brainer. Force them to let you walk by refusing anything but the franchise tag.

 

He should get out as soon as he can. The owner is a train wreck the GM is a scumbag and the coach is clueless. He should get out of that rat nest while he’s still young.

 

All these quotes were found from various PFT comments, took me about five minutes to find them. The notion that Luck is a one man show is most certainly there...but all of the above is drivel, in my opinion.

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Harris from Denver was ranked No.1 Joe Haden is very good

..and yes..Patrick Peterson and Aquib are better than Vontae Davis. Its no shame. We can keep him

Are you saying Andrew Luck deserves less credit and Vonate should get more?

 

LOL Aqib Talib.

 

haha:lol::funny:lmao

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Special Teams are some of the best in the league. 

 

You are absolutely right about the ST . . . in some respects.  Adam and Pat are excellent.  The kickoff and punt coverage teams are usually pretty solid (punt more so than kickoff; kickoff coverage team benefits from Pat's touchbacks).

 

However, our kickoff and punt return teams are absolutely dreadful.  They're abysmal.  Very little production and penalties galore.  Turnovers and near turnovers were always a possibility with no-fair-catch Cribbs out there.   

 

If Dorsett can develop into a kickoff returner, that would be nice.  Worried about the hits he'd take though. 

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Just wanted to add to Marvin was a product of Manning, which is simply untrue. Manning helped him no doubt, but he was a great receiver. The only reason he did not get into the HOF the first vote, or probably the 1-2 votes is there is such a backlog of great

Wide Receivers who have not been inducted. Marvin has to wait his turn. The fact Cris Carter waited as long as he did. Tim Brown, and Andre Rison I believe this was his last year for consideration if he was not voted in. It is the one position for the HOF which is loaded with players who were great, but only so many can go in each year.

That was the only reason Marvin was not a first time ballot. Had there not been a back log like you say he would have been in no doubt.

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He don't get to much credit BUT there are other good players on this team that are hardly talked about or not at all that should get credit for good play, With that said an average or even just a good QB would not have been able to come in and win with the team as has been constructed over the last 3 years and until I see some improvements in key phases of the game for the Colts I'd have to say the same about this year

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Sherman and Revis sure, but you can't seriously rate Peterson and Talib better than Davis, certainly not last year. Davis has a legitimate argument for the top or #2 corner in the NFL this past season. Anything is debatable, a lot if people would not put Luck in the top 5 at this point.

I'd put Vontae tied for 2nd in this league at CB..... I'd only put Revis ahead of him and i'd put him on par with Sherman..

Peterson, Haden and Talib are all tied for 3rd in my eyes.

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I think it's easy to find comments all over the web to support whatever judgement you want.

There's plenty of diversity of opinion.

 

Opinions come and go and morph into different opinions.  

 

Summary judgements on what 'most' fans think is IDK, futile.  

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The only thing I will say is we would not have gone 11-5 two seasons in a row, and we would not have Frank Gore or Andre Johnson if he was not becoming the 'E' word......Elite.  This may be the year he dominates the league.  Then again...it may not :)

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You are absolutely right about the ST . . . in some respects.  Adam and Pat are excellent.  The kickoff and punt coverage teams are usually pretty solid (punt more so than kickoff; kickoff coverage team benefits from Pat's touchbacks).

 

However, our kickoff and punt return teams are absolutely dreadful.  They're abysmal.  Very little production and penalties galore.  Turnovers and near turnovers were always a possibility with no-fair-catch Cribbs out there.   

 

If Dorsett can develop into a kickoff returner, that would be nice.  Worried about the hits he'd take though. 

 

Fair enough, but I was mainly referring to FG and punt coverage seeming how both Vinny and McAffee made the pro-bowl.  With return teams all I really want is someone who can catch the ball.  

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The only thing I will say is we would not have gone 11-5 two seasons in a row, and we would not have Frank Gore or Andre Johnson if he was not becoming the 'E' word......Elite.  This may be the year he dominates the league.  Then again...it may not :)

Also....just to make sure I am understood....I am one of the most least likely forum member to even touch the E word :)

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didn't read the whole thread, or the entire original post...but yes I do think that Luck gets too much of the credit.  He deserves a lot of the credit, and he has the brightest future of probably any player in the league, but the Colts are more than just Andrew Luck.  The problem is way too many people take it personally when a comment that can be even somewhat construed as critical is made about Luck. 

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didn't read the whole thread, or the entire original post...but yes I do think that Luck gets too much of the credit.  He deserves a lot of the credit, and he has the brightest future of probably any player in the league, but the Colts are more than just Andrew Luck.  The problem is way too many people take it personally when a comment that can be even somewhat construed as critical is made about Luck. 

 

Agreed. I have been one of Luck's worst critics since he's come into the league. For as many times as he's carried the team to victory, there have been times where he has been the reason they've lost. Look no further than the 2013 WC Playoff game against the Chiefs to see both extremes all in one game.

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By no means am I saying he is a lousy quarterback, but I cringe every time I see a sports writer claim that the Colts are Andrew Luck and just a bunch of other guys. I wince every time I see a fan criticize Grigson and the coaching staff for "failing to put talent around Andrew."

Andrew has put up better statistics in his first three seasons than any other QB in history has in their first three years. He's an excellent quarterback, but why do people act like it is the team around Luck that is holding him back? Do people really expect him to be throwing 75 TDs a season at this point in his career?

The Colts have put great offensive talent around him since the day they drafted him. Reggie Wayne never got the credit he deserved because he caught passes from two outstanding QBs. TY Hilton is an afterthought in most peoples minds, a product of Superman Andrew Luck. Nobody mentions Coby Fleener when talking about excellent young TEs, just another guy who gets his stats from playing with 12. Dwayne Allen and Donte Moncrief are very talented as well, but nobody outside of Indy knows who these guys are.

"You can give Andrew Luck any receiver and youll have a productive one" ...except thats just true. Ask Darrius Heyward Bey. Ask Hakeem Nicks. These guys were reclamation projects, everyone thought that Luck would make them successful just by being Andrew Luck, but he couldn't. You can argue that these guys simply didnt get open...but the great quarterbacks are able to hit their receivers even when they are NOT open. Not saying Luck is inaccurate, but he could really stand to improve his ball placement and decision making at times. He is not on the same level as Drew Brees, Rodgers or Manning...not yet.

Luck gets the credit for comeback wins against the Chiefs and the Browns, but everyone forgets the poor throws that dug them into those holes. Look at all the blowout defeats we have suffered the last three years and youll see Andrew making poor throws and questionable decisions early and often. Colts fans complain about how we consistently come out slow early in games, but no one is willing to hang that on Luck. They want to blame the backs and the coaches and the playcalling and every one else. One of the reasons our run game struggles is because 12 hasnt yet shown the ability to consistently beat the blitz.

My favorite player on the Colts is TY Hilton. Often, people are surprised by this. "You have the best QB ever and hes not even your favorite player?" and I respond: "Because its TY out there each week, getting open and making Luck look good."

Again, I love having Andrew Luck. He deserves credit. But you cant give him the credit for the Colts turn around and then discredit the effort from the receivers, the linemen, the coaches, and the defense. Andrew doesnt do it ALL himself. I have watched every Colts game over the last two season on DirecTV Sunday Ticket. I have watched Luck torch defenses and I have seen Luck struggle. I went to the Browns game this year and sawhim make several baffling throws in person. Theres a reason his INT totals are so high, and its not his o-line.

It just seems like 12 gets all the credit for our wins, but fans are quick to excuse him for our bad games and blame it on the 52 guys around him. Hes going into his fourth year, still on his rookie contract. Can we please stop acting like hes a ten year vet who has it all figured out?

Sorry, rant over haha

 

Yes your IMO the only one this thread is not worth reading anymore I already wasted my time reading your rant .

 

 

12 deserves the credit without him 3 years of 11-5 are not possible I guess you were'nt a 18 fan either well I got news for ya the receivers don't throw the ball to themselves .

 

Secondly I like T,Y but he was shut down & missed some very catchable balls as did other receivers last year they need to step up there game to Lucks level .

 

I suppose you feel the same way about Peyton Manning ? Great QB's make those around them better & T.Y is replaceable Luck is'nt .

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Yes your IMO the only one this thread is not worth reading anymore I already wasted my time reading your rant .

 

 

12 deserves the credit without him 3 years of 11-5 are not possible I guess you were'nt a 18 fan either well I got news for ya the receivers don't throw the ball to themselves .

 

Secondly I like T,Y but he was shut down & missed some very catchable balls as did other receivers last year they need to step up there game to Lucks level .

 

I suppose you feel the same way about Peyton Manning ? Great QB's make those around them better & T.Y is replaceable Luck is'nt .

 

Anything you said about Peyton is pure speculation and irrelevant.  You're right, TY has missed some catchable balls, but Luck has also missed some makeable throws.  Personally, I do not think Luck is at the "makes others around him better" level yet. 

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Ok someone please tell me that people are not putting Patrick Peterson in the same league as Sherm, Revis, and Davis.  

 

Quite frankly Peterson sucks and is a terrible CB and is in my book the most overrated player in the NFL.  I have no idea why people think he's so darn good.  

 

I mean 113.7 QB rating allowed, gave up over 600 yards and 8 TD's.  

 

And to back up his obscene salary and twitter war with Richard Sherman he blames his sucking on defensive schemes.  

 

Even the Cardinal's bleacher report writer has noted that in reality he kinda sucks.

 

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2287849-patrick-peterson-cant-be-trusted-against-the-highest-competition

 

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2014/12/03/the-big-four-plus-one-cornerbacks/

 

"I am always confused when I see his name brought up amongst elite cornerbacks in the NFL. Peterson has allowed 21 TDs since 2012 which is more than double of that of Richard Sherman and Darrelle Revis combined. His YPT average of 7.91 is also unacceptable for someone thought of as an elite cornerback. Not only is Peterson the worst cornerback on this list, he isn’t even a top 20-25 cornerback in the league. You should be excited if your fantasy receiver is facing Peterson, just ask Julio Jones owners."

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The only thing I will say is we would not have gone 11-5 two seasons in a row, and we would not have Frank Gore or Andre Johnson if he was not becoming the 'E' word......Elite.  This may be the year he dominates the league.  Then again...it may not :)

Yes Brother you are correct , he has the attention of his peers , that is a statement in itself and one Im more likely to listen too.

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So the argument is that since Luck isn't perfect, he's overrated.

Perfect isn't the standard any one is measuring him by. If anything, he'll be perpetually underrated.

 

We will probably have to have Luck get hurt for an entire season before people realize how important he is to the team.  People said the same thing with Peyton and then we go 2-14 the moment we lose Manning.

 

Not saying that we do not have talent on this team, but the QB is the most important position in the league we have the best young QB in the league.  He still has a lot of room to grow and that is what the scary part is.  

 

If we can actually get him a running game and a more consistent defense that can pressure the QB for once then the sky is the limit with Luck under center.

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Ok someone please tell me that people are not putting Patrick Peterson in the same league as Sherm, Revis, and Davis.  

 

Quite frankly Peterson sucks and is a terrible CB and is in my book the most overrated player in the NFL.  I have no idea why people think he's so darn good.  

 

I mean 113.7 QB rating allowed, gave up over 600 yards and 8 TD's.  

 

And to back up his obscene salary and twitter war with Richard Sherman he blames his sucking on defensive schemes.  

 

Even the Cardinal's bleacher report writer has noted that in reality he kinda sucks.

 

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2287849-patrick-peterson-cant-be-trusted-against-the-highest-competition

 

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2014/12/03/the-big-four-plus-one-cornerbacks/

 

"I am always confused when I see his name brought up amongst elite cornerbacks in the NFL. Peterson has allowed 21 TDs since 2012 which is more than double of that of Richard Sherman and Darrelle Revis combined. His YPT average of 7.91 is also unacceptable for someone thought of as an elite cornerback. Not only is Peterson the worst cornerback on this list, he isn’t even a top 20-25 cornerback in the league. You should be excited if your fantasy receiver is facing Peterson, just ask Julio Jones owners."

 

Peterson is completely over-hyped because of his draft position. He's been bad for two years. 

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Peterson is completely over-hyped because of his draft position. He's been bad for two years. 

 

What escapes me is why the Cardinals handed him so much money.  Because he got in a twitter war with Sherman?

 

Honestly I think the cardinals cap management is some of the worst in the league.  For example they fixed Larry Fitzgerald's extremely high cap hit by guaranteeing him more money.  He's declining and it's been obvious for a couple years now, but they gave him too much money at the start even when he was good and they now fix it by guaranteeing him more money and making him harder to get off your roster as he continues his decline.  

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We will probably have to have Luck get hurt for an entire season before people realize how important he is to the team.  People said the same thing with Peyton and then we go 2-14 the moment we lose Manning.

 

Not saying that we do not have talent on this team, but the QB is the most important position in the league we have the best young QB in the league.  He still has a lot of room to grow and that is what the scary part is.  

 

If we can actually get him a running game and a more consistent defense that can pressure the QB for once then the sky is the limit with Luck under center.

 

that's the thing...no one is arguing Luck's importance to the team.  No one is arguing that QB is not the most important position in the league and no one is saying he's not the best young QB in the league. 

 

There are, however, people (even on this forum) that say that the Colts are Luck and a bunch of scrubs.  I've seen many posts saying that Luck's career is already being wasted here in Indy for one reason or another and it's ridiculous. 

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that's the thing...no one is arguing Luck's importance to the team. No one is arguing that QB is not the most important position in the league and no one is saying he's not the best young QB in the league.

There are, however, people (even on this forum) that say that the Colts are Luck and a bunch of scrubs. I've seen many posts saying that Luck's career is already being wasted here in Indy for one reason or another and it's ridiculous.

Thanks for backing me up on this.

Does anyone think Luck would throw more then 40 TDs on the Jags?

The Bills?

The Jets?

The Rams?

The Ravens?

The Cowboys?

The Packers?

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Thanks for backing me up on this.

Does anyone think Luck would throw more then 40 TDs on the Jags?

The Bills?

The Jets?

The Rams?

The Ravens?

The Cowboys?

The Packers?

no cause 4 of those 6 teams actually built a D instead of drafting skill positions none stop

You put Luck on the Bills Jets Ravens and Rams and they become super bowl contenders

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Thanks for backing me up on this.

Does anyone think Luck would throw more then 40 TDs on the Jags?

The Bills?

The Jets?

The Rams?

The Ravens?

The Cowboys?

The Packers?

 

 

The Bills - yes

The Jets - probably

The Rams - yes

The Ravens - maybe/probably

The Cowboys - yes

The Packers - maybe

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now that I think about it he would prolly throw that many TDs and they would be SB contenders

 

I think the Jets, Bills and Rams could become immediate superbowl contenders with Luck.  Luck would not make Green Bay any bigger SB favorites than they would be with Rogers..in fact I would say, in all honesty, they would take a small step back.  I don't think Baltimore would get any closer to being a SB favorite with Luck than they are with Flacco.  Dallas though...who knows...I'm not sure what their problem is.  Sometimes it appears to be Romo but at other times not.

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I think the Jets, Bills and Rams could become immediate superbowl contenders with Luck. Luck would not make Green Bay any bigger SB favorites than they would be with Rogers..in fact I would say, in all honesty, they would take a small step back. I don't think Baltimore would get any closer to being a SB favorite with Luck than they are with Flacco. Dallas though...who knows...I'm not sure what their problem is. Sometimes it appears to be Romo but at other times not.

yeah only ones I don't think it would help are jags go GB and BAL
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