BlueShoe's Mock 2.0

[BlueShoe]

I took a few nuggets away from Grigson's draft press conference. At times I felt as though he was talking specifically about two particular players, and they just happen to be our first two picks in this mock. The main point was that Grigson does not like to draft players in any round who are projected to be backups. The knock on him is that he swings for the fences, and he has earned that title by many of his choices. Even though I doubt he will take chances on character as much as he did in his first three drafts, I don't think his mentality of "all or nothing" will change. I see him tweaking his thought process by drafting players later who only fell because they were raw. I agree with his approach too, because I would much rather take a chance on drafting a great player than on a career backup. I think Grigson's evaluation process can be narrowed down to a few simple rules. Does the player have character issues? Is the player fast for his position? Does the player have the potential to be great?

 

29) Ereck Flowers - OT - Miami

Best RT in the draft. Start him off as a RG and let him develop. I am not sure he will be there at #29, but if he is then he would be hard to pass on.

 

61) Tevin Coleman - RB - Indiana

Runs like he has cherries and blueberries behind him. I think he falls a little further than most think he will, because he is the type of back who gets 10 yards on 6 carries, but look out for the 7th carry. He would be a good change of pace back for our offense.

 

93) Adrian Amos - FS - Penn St.

Amos is my favorite single high safety in this draft. He is a ball hawk and is extremely fast for a safety.

 

128) Max Valles - OLB - Virginia

Very inexperienced but also very athletic. He needs to be coached up, but the tools are there to work with.

 

165) Kenny Bell - WR - Nebraska

Blazing speed for his size. He did not get a lot of opportunities at Nebraska, and he needs to clean up his routes. He can take the top off a defense though.

 

205) Darryl Roberts - CB - Marshall

A very fast press coverage corner who needs to be coached up to avoid penalties. Paging Chuck Pagano.

 

207) Kyshoen Jarrett - SS - Virginia Tech

Productive and provides outstanding run support. He is a box safety who also has some good coverage skills.

 

244) Tory Slater - DE - West Georgia

Played DT in college but best fit is likely as a 3-4 end. Definitely a prospect, with lots of potential upside.

 

255) Dexter McDonald - CB - Kansas

I am very high on Dexter. I think with the right coaching this cat could become a baller. Tall and fast corner who needs to improve his technique. A season with Chuck could turn him into a very good football player.

[Dustin]

Love everything but the first two picks.

[Defjamz26]

The sad part is that this is the type of underwhelming draft he would have.

If you changed the first pick I could live with it though.

[Deano1818]

As you can see from my previous posts, we disagree with pick one , but I like the rest

 

The DL weakness scares me a bit

[SteelCityColt]

Flowers at #29 is a bit meh, but it's hard to get excited about Tackles for me full stop. I think Coleman in the 2nd is too high but that's just my opinion, same as Amos who I would think would be 4th or later.

 

Thank you for sharing, a solid effort I think just not one that excites me .

[NewColtsFan]

In broad terms the mock is solid....      including the first two picks.

 

The problem for me is it doesn't do nearly enough to toughen up our defense.

 

This is Grigson's 4th draft and our defense just has to get better.      I don't think there's enough in this mock to get better.

 

And I don't think there's enough to follow Irsay's mandate to "build a defense that can stop the run in January."

[SteelCityColt]

In broad terms the mock is solid....      including the first two picks.

 

The problem for me is it doesn't do nearly enough to toughen up our defense.

 

This is Grigson's 4th draft and our defense just has to get better.      I don't think there's enough in this mock to get better.

 

And I don't think there's enough to follow Irsay's mandate to "build a defense that can stop the run in January."

 

I agree with you, we've yet IMO to draft a serious difference maker on D. For want of a better term we've not drafted any "Franchise" players on that side of the ball whereas on O we've hit on at least 3 for me. 

[HeSoColt]

I do not hate it... I am not stoked with round 1 and round 2. However, I would not hate it. We need a RT and we need a RB... but I think we need defensive line help more.

[Doctor Mad]

No DLine help??  shame!

[tvturner]

Like all of it except Flowers. Would rather get Eddie Goldman

[Superman]

I took a few nuggets away from Grigson's draft press conference. At times I felt as though he was talking specifically about two particular players, and they just happen to be our first two picks in this mock.

 

What did you infer from his comments that led you to Flowers and Coleman?

[Defjamz26]

I agree with you, we've yet IMO to draft a serious difference maker on D. For want of a better term we've not drafted any "Franchise" players on that side of the ball whereas on O we've hit on at least 3 for me.

I don't think Grigson can afford to have another draft that doesn't yields a star defensive player. It's fine if your don't want to spend big money in one in FA, but that means your better draft one.

[Gavin]

Like the Flowers pick

 

Don't like the Coleman pick for the exact reason you state.....6 carries 10 yards kinda player......Ill take 24-30 yards on 6 carries.

 

Im alright with the Amos pick but I have him as 4th rounder....Prefer Prewitt

 

Really like the Valles pick...Has to get a lot stronger, I have him as a day 3 pick 4th rounder

 

Kenny Bell.....Not very high on him.Doesn't really explode out of his breaks, Not a good route runner and easily jammed, I saw a couple concentration drops to

 

I really like Roberts, Just wish he was a bit bigger and that he turned more of those passes defensed into int's, Good pick though for sure

 

Not sold on Jarrett

 

Love Tory Slaters upside

 

Not a fan of Mcdonald, I think he can be more physical for his size, I don't like his recovery speed if beat

[BlueShoe]

What did you infer from his comments that led you to Flowers and Coleman?

 

Flowers - When asked about Gosder, he said he is on a wait and see just like other players. He has to trust the doctors timelines (June). He said if a guy is not healthy then you can tell. You could tell he wasn't sold that that Gosder will be back 100%. Regarding replacing Gosder, he said everyone has a bar and they have to play at a certain level. He said the roster is pretty balanced but there is always some areas of concern, but sometimes you get through 2 weeks of training camp and it's a big epidemic (I believe he is talking about our OL). He says sometimes you have a guy who you like that should go around 15-20 but he begins to fall, and you hope you don't get stuck.

 

I feel that Flowers is the best RT in this draft. He may not start his career at RT, but it is obviously an area that we should be concerned about. Flowers is a guy who is projected somewhere around 15-20. I could be wrong about what Grigson was talking about, but based on the little information we have, I think he was talking about Flowers. If not Flowers then I feel this is OL specific. 

 

Coleman - He talked about a back who didn't have much shake and bake or make you miss, but who is more of a freeway runner, and can hit his head on the goal post if he has a lane. He said there will be some real value picks at RB and WR, due to guys getting pushed down. Grigson said we may take a guy, and it will seem unorthodox to the outside. 

 

Again, a lot of people believe Coleman will go late first or early second. I think he could easily fall to us at #61, and I am about 95% positive he was talking about Coleman.

[Dustin]

Flowers - When asked about Gosder, he said he is on a wait and see just like other players. He has to trust the doctors timelines (June). He said if a guy is not healthy then you can tell. You could tell he wasn't sold that that Gosder will be back 100%. Regarding replacing Gosder, he said everyone has a bar and they have to play at a certain level. He said the roster is pretty balanced but there is always some areas of concern, but sometimes you get through 2 weeks of training camp and it's a big epidemic (I believe he is talking about our OL). He says sometimes you have a guy who you like that should go around 15-20 but he begins to fall, and you hope you don't get stuck.

I feel that Flowers is the best RT in this draft. He may not start his career at RT, but it is obviously an are that we should be concerned about. Flowers is a guy who is projected somewhere around 15-20. I could be wrong about what Grigson was talking about, but based on the little information we have, I think he was talking about Flowers. If not Flowers then I feel this is OL specific.

Coleman - He talked about a back who didn't have much shake and bake or make you miss, but who is more of a freeway runner, and can hit his head on the goal post if he has a lane. He said there will be some real value picks at RB and WR, due to guys getting pushed down. Grigson said we may take a guy, and it will seem unorthodox to the outside.

Again, a lot of people believe Coleman will go late first or early second. I think he could easily fall to us at #61, and I am about 95% positive he was talking about Coleman.

agree with the last part. I think it was obvious he was talking about Coleman.

[Superman]

Flowers - When asked about Gosder, he said he is on a wait and see just like other players. He has to trust the doctors timelines (June). He said if a guy is not healthy then you can tell. You could tell he wasn't sold that that Gosder will be back 100%. Regarding replacing Gosder, he said everyone has a bar and they have to play at a certain level. He said the roster is pretty balanced but there is always some areas of concern, but sometimes you get through 2 weeks of training camp and it's a big epidemic (I believe he is talking about our OL). He says sometimes you have a guy who you like that should go around 15-20 but he begins to fall, and you hope you don't get stuck.

I feel that Flowers is the best RT in this draft. He may not start his career at RT, but it is obviously an are that we should be concerned about. Flowers is a guy who is projected somewhere around 15-20. I could be wrong about what Grigson was talking about, but based on the little information we have, I think he was talking about Flowers.

Coleman - He talked about a back who didn't have much shake and bake or make you miss, but who is more of a freeway runner, and can hit his head on the goal post if he has a lane. He said there will be some real value picks at RB and WR, due to guys getting pushed down. Grigson said we may take a guy, and it will seem unorthodox to the outside.

Again, a lot of people believe Coleman will go late first or early second. I think he could easily fall to us at #61, and I am about 95% positive he was talking about Coleman.

Between Grigson's comments and Irsay's comments, there's little doubt that Gosder is in trouble. And obviously they'll be looking in that direction in the draft. If you think Flowers is the best RT in the draft, then I see the connection. I think a little less of Flowers than you, though.

The Coleman thing makes sense, too. But I think those comments describe a few other backs, also, throughout this draft. Still, I get it.

I don't think either a back or a receiver would be unconventional. I said at the close of the season that I expected a WR to be drafted. Signing Johnson might have influenced that.

[Gavin]

Flowers - When asked about Gosder, he said he is on a wait and see just like other players. He has to trust the doctors timelines (June). He said if a guy is not healthy then you can tell. You could tell he wasn't sold that that Gosder will be back 100%. Regarding replacing Gosder, he said everyone has a bar and they have to play at a certain level. He said the roster is pretty balanced but there is always some areas of concern, but sometimes you get through 2 weeks of training camp and it's a big epidemic (I believe he is talking about our OL). He says sometimes you have a guy who you like that should go around 15-20 but he begins to fall, and you hope you don't get stuck.

 

I feel that Flowers is the best RT in this draft. He may not start his career at RT, but it is obviously an are that we should be concerned about. Flowers is a guy who is projected somewhere around 15-20. I could be wrong about what Grigson was talking about, but based on the little information we have, I think he was talking about Flowers. If not Flowers then I feel this is OL specific. 

 

Coleman - He talked about a back who didn't have much shake and bake or make you miss, but who is more of a freeway runner, and can hit his head on the goal post if he has a lane. He said there will be some real value picks at RB and WR, due to guys getting pushed down. Grigson said we may take a guy, and it will seem unorthodox to the outside. 

 

Again, a lot of people believe Coleman will go late first or early second. I think he could easily fall to us at #61, and I am about 95% positive he was talking about Coleman.

Thing is in the NFL Coleman wont have the gaping holes nearly as often in the NFL as he had at IU, He will have to be able to make you miss and not just dart as fast as he can from the snap, If he does that in my opinion with the way our O Line just might be again this year (Hopefully Herremans helps...I believe he will some) Coleman will just run right up the back of an O Lineman...And I could see him doing that because he has to learn run tempo (Slow to the hole, burst through the hole)

 

Just my thoughts from watching him and based on what our O Line did last year run blocking, All of the other top four have more shake and bake in my opinion (Gurley, Gordon, Abdullah, Johnson)

[BlueShoe]

Between Grigson's comments and Irsay's comments, there's little doubt that Gosder is in trouble. And obviously they'll be looking in that direction in the draft. If you think Flowers is the best RT in the draft, then I see the connection. I think a little less of Flowers than you, though.

The Coleman thing makes sense, too. But I think those comments describe a few other backs, also, throughout this draft. Still, I get it.

I don't think either a back or a receiver would be unconventional. I said at the close of the season that I expected a WR to be drafted. Signing Johnson might have influenced that.

 

Absolutely. I will never say that my thoughts are facts. It is all subjective thinking. We don't have many facts to go with. It took several years, but I was able to pinpoint Bill Polian's targeting rules, and was quite good at predicting his picks. I remember getting several correct; including Bob Sanders, Austin Collie, Donald Brown, and so on. I basically used a process of elimination. Once a trend is set, then it's easier to see. It is tougher to figure Grigson out, because he was so lenient on character issues. Now that he is getting more careful, it's easier to write some players off the board. The process I use is not always right, and it is not perfect, but it paints a picture. I get a lot of my information just by listening to these draft press conferences. You start to understand a mans process of thinking. Over time, the process of elimination gets me within striking distance.

 

All that said, I could be totally wrong about Grigson liking Flowers. He could be talking about Jake Fisher for all I know. Maybe we will have the opportunity to see. If Flowers is there at #29.

[BlueShoe]

Thing is in the NFL Coleman wont have the gaping holes nearly as often in the NFL as he had at IU, He will have to be able to make you miss and not just dart as fast as he can from the snap, If he does that in my opinion with the way our O Line just might be again this year (Hopefully Herremans helps...I believe he will some) Coleman will just run right up the back of an O Lineman...And I could see him doing that because he has to learn run tempo (Slow to the hole, burst through the hole)

 

Just my thoughts from watching him and based on what our O Line did last year run blocking, All of the other top four have more shake and bake in my opinion (Gurley, Gordon, Abdullah, Johnson)

 

I agree. For Coleman to have success, he will need some lanes to run through. Our offensive line would need to improve on its run blocking for Coleman to be successful on our team. 

 

That said, getting Coleman the ball in space would be ideal, because he has the jets to score on any play.

[Gavin]

I agree. For Coleman to have success, he will need some lanes to run through. Our offensive line would need to improve on its run blocking for Coleman to be successful on our team. 

 

That said, getting Coleman the ball in space would be ideal, because he has the jets to score on any play.

He certainly does, But I tell ya I'd have to go with Abdullah or Gordon(If we go rb at 29) or Johnson(Love his quick twitch shifty style, He has quickly become my favorite Back in the draft I think in terms of vision and quick twitch and speed) before Coleman

[ztboiler]

 

 

128) Max Valles - OLB - Virginia

 

Subtle exception here.  I won't be shocked if we draft an OLB, but I'd expect it to be either early or late, not a developmental prospect in the middle rounds.  With our current roster composition, we don't want to get stuck in the middle with a guy that can't beat out Werner or Newsome for spots 4 and 5.  We could keep 6, but that makes us lean somewhere else.  I'd want someone that is either going to take a spot or fit on the psquad.

 

If Mathis starts the season on PUP, it would open up some options.

[BlueShoe]

Subtle exception here.  I won't be shocked if we draft an OLB, but I'd expect it to be either early or late, not a developmental prospect in the middle rounds.  With our current roster composition, we don't want to get stuck in the middle with a guy that can't beat out Werner or Newsome for spots 4 and 5.  We could keep 6, but that makes us lean somewhere else.  I'd want someone that is either going to take a spot or fit on the psquad.

 

If Mathis starts the season on PUP, it would open up some options.

 

Absolutely. You could be 100% correct. 

 

My point is that Valles does possess starter traits, and although I can see Grigson not taking the character risks anymore, his willingness to swing for the fences will likely still be there. I just don't see Grigson as a guy who settles drafting a backup. I think when the day is over, he wants to make sure he took a shot on a guy who can be an asset. If that means missing from time to time then I believe Grigson is OK with that. 

[BOTT]

Cherries and blueberries? Never heard that one before

[BlueShoe]

Cherries and blueberries? Never heard that one before

 

Police sirens. ;)

[BOTT]

Police sirens. ;)

Oh....durr