Greg Hardy Suspended 10 Games

[oldunclemark]

I'm allowed to have any opinion I want. Fact is he already had like a 16 game suspension whether he was paid or not. Really wouldn't be hard to just give him a 10 game pay ban but let him play if he really wants to risk it. And yes, I can say it was a footnote to Rice. There were at least 3x as many articles being shoved down my throat about Rice than there was about Hardy. The whole thing was generally held low-key. Grabbing one media portion that occurred over several months while ignoring everything else doesn't give any factual basis to an opinion.

The 16-game suspension was WITH pay..

This suspension/./which will be whittled down to 6 or so..is without pay....

Its fair and it s what the NFL said they'd do. Its not like Hardy or the boys didnt now this was coming

[jvan1973]

Wrong. Steel unions and pipefitters can throw you out of the union..That's discipline. But those are real unions

Felons in your union reflect on other members..

...You cant talk about what's right on the job when your members seek cover and aid from you (and get it) when they do wrong.

Can you provide examples of members being kicked out of a union? Unions don't make their millions by kicking their members out. I can't even think of a scenario where they would.

In this scenario, Hardy wasn't convicted of a crime. A union certainly wouldn't kick him out

[Clem-Dog]

I know it's a different sport but I wonder if Brittany Griner will face the same media scrutiny for her assault on her companion. I honestly don't see it happening.

As far as the NFL goes, they can only hope to eradicate these assaults by continuing to levy huge penalties against the perps until the culture corrects itself.

[Derakynn]

The 16-game suspension was WITH pay..

This suspension/./which will be whittled down to 6 or so..is without pay....

Its fair and it s what the NFL said they'd do. Its not like Hardy or the boys didnt now this was coming

Which is why I said give him a pay ban or fine him. You people act like it isn't a punishment to not be allowed to play. 

[oldunclemark]

The bigger truth is that the NFLPA is a union of men and most men don't want a guy to lose his job or significant money JUST because they beat their woman

...it happens

[jvan1973]

The bigger truth is that the NFLPA is a union of men and most men don't want a guy to lose his job or significant money JUST because they beat their woman

...it happens

That's not a truth at all. Actually, its quite absurd

[CanuckColt]

Yawn.....Jerry will talk to Goodell.....and there will be an appeal....and Goodell will back down and reduce it to 4 games max.

[Superman]

The bigger truth is that the NFLPA is a union of men and most men don't want a guy to lose his job or significant money JUST because they beat their woman

...it happens

 

Wowser.

[ColtRider]

The bigger truth is that the NFLPA is a union of men and most men don't want a guy to lose his job or significant money JUST because they beat their woman...it happens

And finally, there's the crux. MONEY! Not saying that the NFLPA is all about money. However, go investigate and study what unions have always been about. More often than not, it comes down to the bucks. Period. Does anyone really think that Jimmy Hoffa _wasn't_

killed because of it? Been in unions before and have studied them and their history. Not a pretty picture. There are several left with at least some integrity. That's few and far between. Unions have taken a shellacking over the last 40 years or so. A lot of companies and corporations tend to shy away from them because of too many headaches, especially MONEY! Now, there are plenty of good things the NFLPA _try_ to strive for, which are great. But then there's the other side of the coin as well. Notwithstanding the question here, but it's the direction which society as a whole has created that promotes insecurity problems. Unions are _not_ going to solve them by putting thinly versed veils over everyone's head and touting the phrase "We're doing it to side on the people who cannot/will not/ fight or voice for themselves." Yeah, okay! Just give them a portion of your paycheck everytime in order for them to care of that for you.

Yeah, uh-huh! Right!

[jvan1973]

And finally, there's the crux. MONEY! Not saying that the NFLPA is all about money. However, go investigate and study what unions have always been about. More often than not, it comes down to the bucks. Period. Does anyone really think that Jimmy Hoffa _wasn't_

killed because of it? Been in unions before and have studied them and their history. Not a pretty picture. There are several left with at least some integrity. That's few and far between. Unions have taken a shellacking over the last 40 years or so. A lot of companies and corporations tend to shy away from them because of too many headaches, especially MONEY! Now, there are plenty of good things the NFLPA _try_ to strive for, which are great. But then there's the other side of the coin as well. Notwithstanding the question here, but it's the direction which society as a whole has created that promotes insecurity problems. Unions are _not_ going to solve them by putting thinly versed veils over everyone's head and touting the phrase "We're doing it to side on the people who cannot/will not/ fight or voice for themselves." Yeah, okay! Just give them a portion of your paycheck everytime in order for them to care of that for you.

Yeah, uh-huh! Right!

Oh brother. so much misinformation from someone that claims they have studied unions

[ColtRider]

Oh brother. so much misinformation from someone that claims they have studied unions

Misinformation? Tell me all about it then, jvan1973! Just a word of caution, though. Go take a look at my profile first. Spent my whole life dealing with unions, corporate attorneys, commercial law, government, states, cities, local municipalities, et.al. as a commercial/private Procurement Director & Advisor, especially dealing in contractual infrastructure. If you can add to any one thing that was stated in my previous post, by all means, go ahead.

I'm always open to free debate. Seriously, I'll wait. Not trying to bait and switch. Just backing up what I claimed as truth.

[NFLfan]

The bigger truth is that the NFLPA is a union of men and most men don't want a guy to lose his job or significant money JUST because they beat their woman

...it happens

Sometimes you write some of the strangest comments. How is that a "truth"?

[oldunclemark]

I think you become an enabler if you always blindly defend people who do wrong...and we all know the NFLPA does that

..Men cant talk about the evils of spousal abuse and rape and domestic violence but then defend the accused and try to diminish their

entry every single time in every single case..The NFLPA even tried to get a multiple murderer the money on his contract.

We know the union does that and we look the other way.

Its said..... "They have to defend their members" "That's their job"

I don't think it is.

[jvan1973]

I think you become an enabler if you always blindly defend people who do wrong...and we all know the NFLPA does that

..Men cant talk about the evils of spousal abuse and rape and domestic violence but then defend the accused and try to diminish their

entry every single time in every single case..The NFLPA even tried to get a multiple murderer the money on his contract.

We know the union does that and we look the other way.

Its said..... "They have to defend their members" "That's their job"

I don't think it is.

How many steelworkers do you think have abused their spouse? Just because it isn't on sportcenter doesn't mran it doesn't occur

[jvan1973]

Misinformation? Tell me all about it then, jvan1973! Just a word of caution, though. Go take a look at my profile first. Spent my whole life dealing with unions, corporate attorneys, commercial law, government, states, cities, local municipalities, et.al. as a commercial/private Procurement Director & Advisor, especially dealing in contractual infrastructure. If you can add to any one thing that was stated in my previous post, by all means, go ahead.

I'm always open to free debate. Seriously, I'll wait. Not trying to bait and switch. Just backing up what I claimed as truth.

I've been in a union for almost twenty years. Job one of the union is obviously to make its members more compensation. Whether that be salary, medical coverage, retirement package etc. Job two odds to ensure workplace safety. . That's how unions cane into existence. Job three is to fight for its members. (work place injuries, discrimination, accurate compensation) Unions also provide assistance to members who need it.(drug and alcohol treatment, marriage counseling treatment for depression and anxiety issues) To say unions only care about money is ignorant and wrong

[NFLfan]

I've been in a union for almost twenty years. Job one of the union is obviously to make its members more compensation. Whether that be salary, medical coverage, retirement package etc. Job two odds to ensure workplace safety. . That's how unions cane into existence. Job three is to fight for its members. (work place injuries, discrimination, accurate compensation) Unions also provide assistance to members who need it.(drug and alcohol treatment, marriage counseling treatment for depression and anxiety issues) To say unions only care about money is ignorant and wrong

Yes! I was in a union for a short time early in my career. In addition to what you listed, the union paid for some of our graduate school credits, helped members buy homes, provided legal assistance, and much more. One of my friends took advantage of all the benefits. The union gave her children scholarships to college. Every now and then she will lament having advanced in her career, as she misses the benefits of the union. The medical benefits in that union were second to none. It paid for everything.

Anyway, as you have written, one of the jobs of the union is to represent and defend their members. It is similar to a defense attorney representing a criminal.

[ColtRider]

I've been in a union for almost twenty years. Job one of the union is obviously to make its members more compensation. Whether that be salary, medical coverage, retirement package etc. Job two odds to ensure workplace safety. . That's how unions cane into existence. Job three is to fight for its members. (work place injuries, discrimination, accurate compensation) Unions also provide assistance to members who need it.(drug and alcohol treatment, marriage counseling treatment for depression and anxiety issues) To say unions only care about money is ignorant and wrong

Look, jvan1973, I get why you're loyal to your union. I do. I've spoken with many union members before, pro and con alike. I never said unions care only about money. Go back and read my original post. You merely answered my post with " so much misinformation from someone who claims they have studied unions." I answered back in kind with my background.

I gave credit where credit was due to the NFLPA. I said they're are still a few unions left with integrity. I meant that. To espouse everything that was written in my original post with one sentence of effigy is wrong. I do know about unions and their past. If you would like to get into the history and debate that. Fine. We can do that. However, don't know how long mods would let it go.

...btw... this is not a personal attack on anyone/shape/form.