Becoming convinced of a DB in Round 1

[Archer]

I've been pretty sure that the BAP at a position of need would end up being a CB or an OT for some time.  However, I think the DBs are starting to separate themselves in the last few weeks of the draft process.  Specifically, players like Byron Jones, Eric Rowe, Damarious Randall, and Ronald Darby are beginning to get some serious buzz as 1st rounders.  Meanwhile, the OT class seems to have a lot of fallers, where players previously assumed to be 1st rounders (some of them high) are falling to the 2nd (like Flowers, Peat, and Humphries).

 

I'm really starting to believe that the OT fallers have been previously over-hyped (Flowers, most of all), as they seem to be similar athletes to the 2nd and 3rd rounders.  The DB risers are doing so largely because they have physical skills/measurable that set themselves apart from the pack (in a pretty dang good CB class).  Two DBs that I've been dropping in my mind from the DB group are Marcus Peters and Jalen Collins.  Their measurables are not close to those of the risers, and they come with questions (attitude and lack of production, respectively).

 

At this point, I really see the above pool of DBs being the best and safest choice for us in the 1st.  I'd order them: Rowe, Jones, Darby, and Randall.  It's looking like I'm going to go with Darby in my final mock, as I expect Rowe and Jones to be gone...

[Briggs32]

If take Peters in a heartbeat.

[funktacious2]

I've been pretty sure that the BAP at a position of need would end up being a CB or an OT for some time. However, I think the DBs are starting to separate themselves in the last few weeks of the draft process. Specifically, players like Byron Jones, Eric Rowe, Damarious Randall, and Ronald Darby are beginning to get some serious buzz as 1st rounders. Meanwhile, the OT class seems to have a lot of fallers, where players previously assumed to be 1st rounders (some of them high) are falling to the 2nd (like Flowers, Peat, and Humphries).

I'm really starting to believe that the OT fallers have been previously over-hyped (Flowers, most of all), as they seem to be similar athletes to the 2nd and 3rd rounders. The DB risers are doing so largely because they have physical skills/measurable that set themselves apart from the pack (in a pretty dang good CB class). Two DBs that I've been dropping in my mind from the DB group are Marcus Peters and Jalen Collins. Their measurables are not close to those of the risers, and they come with questions (attitude and lack of production, respectively).

At this point, I really see the above pool of DBs being the best and safest choice for us in the 1st. I'd order them: Rowe, Jones, Darby, and Randall. It's looking like I'm going to go with Darby in my final mock, as I expect Rowe and Jones to be gone...

I get where you're coming from. I have seen Collins drop steadily as the weeks progress. However, very recent mocks have Peters going mid 1st round, so his stock has been rising. I'd also be shocked if both Rowe and Jones are gone before our pick, there are only so many players that can go in the 1st round and I don't feel that 8-9 of them are going to be DBs. And IF Rowe and Jones go before the 29th pick, as well as Waynes, Collins (S), Kevin Johnson, etc... then that means an awesome non DB player probably fell to us.

[Dustin]

I'd rather use a first on Holliman than Randall. #HotTake

[Archer]

I get where you're coming from. I have seen Collins drop steadily as the weeks progress. However, very recent mocks have Peters going mid 1st round, so his stock has been rising. I'd also be shocked if both Rowe and Jones are gone before our pick, there are only so many players that can go in the 1st round and I don't feel that 8-9 of them are going to be DBs. And IF Rowe and Jones go before the 29th pick, as well as Waynes, Collins (S), Kevin Johnson, etc... then that means an awesome non DB player probably fell to us.

 

I actually believe that Landon Collins, Jalen Collins, and Marcus Peters are all dropping out of the 1st, and that Rowe and Jones (and possibly Randall and/or Darby) are moving into the 1st,  Not that I've seen that occurring in a high percentage of mocks, but I just see the droppers lacking the measurables necessary to keep them in the 1st. DBs I project to be 1sts are (in order): Waynes, Johnson, Jones, Rowe, and Darby.  So, I think five is a reasonable # for the 1st...

[Doctor Mad]

Agree with Briggs32. Marcus Peters if available.

[NewColtsFan]

I actually believe that Landon Collins, Jalen Collins, and Marcus Peters are all dropping out of the 1st, and that Rowe and Jones (and possibly Randall and/or Darby) are moving into the 1st,  Not that I've seen that occurring in a high percentage of mocks, but I just see the droppers lacking the measurables necessary to keep them in the 1st. DBs I project to be 1sts are (in order): Waynes, Johnson, Jones, Rowe, and Darby.  So, I think five is a reasonable # for the 1st...

 

I'd love to know what mocks are moving those DB's into the first, and what mocks are moving those OL into the 2nd?

 

What websites are doing that?!?    Holy cow!?!

 

And I think you're reading way, WAY too much into these mocks.   As if the writer is calling all of these teams trying to get some inside information.     They don't.     They're all taking educated guesses.

[ztboiler]

Proof positive that it's lying season and nobody knows.  Seems to me that those who do the leaking of "real information" are getting the exact result desired from the information they are in full control of the whole time.  

 

Doesn't matter how long it's gone on historically, all haze is productive and moves the needle in competitive diguise of your true intent.  Thankfully, we'll find out the real truth soon enough.

 

Lying season is like poker and neither would be so interesting if the lie wasn't the truth every now and then.

[Archer]

I'd love to know what mocks are moving those DB's into the first, and what mocks are moving those OL into the 2nd?

 

What websites are doing that?!?    Holy cow!?!

 

And I think you're reading way, WAY too much into these mocks.   As if the writer is calling all of these teams trying to get some inside information.     They don't.     They're all taking educated guesses.

 

Again, I'm not seeing a huge percentage of mocks doing this.  My impressions come mainly from buzz on various players (e.g. Rotoworld calls Rowe a Round 2 lock, and I've seen one or two mocks move him into Round 1).  Also, Landon Collins is being mocked to us a number of times recently, whereas he used to be a first half of Round 1 guy.  I actually put very little credibility into what mocks do, but quite a bit of weight into certain players' stock movement when initiated by workouts (like Rowe and Darby).  As far as Landon and Jalen Collins' theorized drop, it's more of a weighing of the measurables vis-a-vis the risers.  For example, Jalen Collins has been put by many mocks solidly in the 1st due to his size, speed, and physicality, but he's slightly smaller and slower than Rowe, and with much less quickness (based on measurables).  I think that in the absence of overwhelmingly favorable game tape (which I don't believe Peters and Jalen Collins to have), scouts really look for the athletic traits that predict NFL success.  I think guys like Rowe and Jones are going to rise into Round 1 based on this.  As for Landon Collins, the question becomes more of "how lacking is he in the coverage department", which I've seen differing answers on...

[Superman]

I'd rather use a first on Holliman than Randall. #HotTake

 

[Dustin]

 

Randall will do a good job of filling that special team void left by Sergio imo

[Manning1887]

I really hope Marcus Peters falls to us. I have my doubts. I am trying to open up to Byron Jones, but I keep having visions of Mike Mamula. 

[throwing BBZ]

 Kinda figure if Goldman, Peat, or Humphries is there Grigs would have them as BPA.
 If there are several juicy ones still there, a slight tradeback would interest him?
 I would like to see a small tradeUP in round 2 or 3 to get our guy. We need the Right, Talented Guys Now. This IS a serious SB run.

[Superman]

Randall will do a good job of filling that special team void left by Sergio imo

 

Dang.

 

He is good on special teams coverage, though. If he's hanging around at 75 or so, a trade up makes sense. But I think more of him than you do.

[NFLfan]

Two DBs that I've been dropping in my mind from the DB group are Marcus Peters and Jalen Collins. Their measurables are not close to those of the risers, and they come with questions (attitude and lack of production, respectively).

I see Peters rising everywhere. My only concern with him is his attitude/ character issues.

[Track Guy]

Randall will do a good job of filling that special team void left by Sergio imo

 

They would both be terrible first round picks.

[Track Guy]

I see Peters rising everywhere. My only concern with him is his attitude/ character issues.

 

Especially since this draft is pretty strong for corners so it's not like we have to take a guy in round 1. Why use a premium pick on a guy with serious baggage if we can avoid doing so?

[BProland85]

Holliman over Randell? That's just funny

[NewColtsFan]

If we do take a DB,  whether it's a safety or a corner,  that won't do much for helping the Colts defense stop the run in January.....

 

Just sayin....

[NewColtsFan]

Especially since this draft is pretty strong for corners so it's not like we have to take a guy in round 1. Why use a premium pick on a guy with serious baggage if we can avoid doing so?

 

Interesting that you see this as a strong class for corners....

 

Everything I read says it's a very average class for corners....

[Track Guy]

Interesting that you see this as a strong class for corners....

 

Everything I read says it's a very average class for corners....

 

Well I should re-phrase. Maybe strong is the wrong word. I think it's a deep class for corners. Pretty average early on. But I like guys like Kevin White, Senquez Golson, Bobby McCain, Ekpre-Olomu (although maybe he'll become a safety).

[NewColtsFan]

Well I should re-phrase. Maybe strong is the wrong word. I think it's a deep class for corners. Pretty average early on. But I like guys like Kevin White, Senquez Golson, Bobby McCain, Ekpre-Olomu (although maybe he'll become a safety).

 

I'm not saying I'm right and you're wrong,  I'm only passing along what I'm reading....

 

I read somewhere in the last two weeks a mention that NFL types were not happy with either the quality, nor especially the quantity of corners the last few year,  especially considering the number of high caliber receivers the last 3-4 years or so.

 

They think if colleges are turning out so many good WR's,  shouldn't they also be turning out a good number of CB's as well?

 

Apparently, some NFL types don't think they're getting enough good CB's to cover all those quality WR's....

 

Just passing along what I was reading....

[BlueShoe]

If take Peters in a heartbeat.

 

Unfortunately Grigson does not have a lifeline left to take a chance on a player like Marcus Peters in the first round. No doubt the kid is good, but also a possible time bomb.

 

I have a feeling Grigson is going to play it very safe this year in the draft. 

[Superman]

I'm not saying I'm right and you're wrong,  I'm only passing along what I'm reading....

 

I read somewhere in the last two weeks a mention that NFL types were not happy with either the quality, nor especially the quantity of corners the last few year,  especially considering the number of high caliber receivers the last 3-4 years or so.

 

They think if colleges are turning out so many good WR's,  shouldn't they also be turning out a good number of CB's as well?

 

Apparently, some NFL types don't think they're getting enough good CB's to cover all those quality WR's....

 

Just passing along what I was reading....

 

I know you're just passing it on, but I don't get that logic. It's actually counter-intuitive. College defenses are playing a bunch of zone defenses to counter the pass heavy offenses. Even pro style programs like Alabama, who play off man and zone and don't coach their DBs to back pedal, ever. You aren't going to get a lot of good corner prospects just because teams throw a lot.

 

Along the same lines, even though there's more passing, there aren't more QBs ready for the NFL. 

[Superman]

Unfortunately Grigson does not have a lifeline left to take a chance on a player like Marcus Peters in the first round. No doubt the kid is good, but also a possible time bomb.

 

I have a feeling Grigson is going to play it very safe this year in the draft. 

 

Totally agree, for better or worse. Peters would be a perfect fit for our defense, and if he keeps his head on straight, he's going to be a really good player. But Grigson has expressed frustration with some of the dumb stuff that players have been doing lately, particularly young guys. I think there are a lot of good prospects that probably aren't on the board this year because of the antics of guys like Andrew Jackson, Trent Richardson, John Boyett, Lavon Brazill, etc. 

[BlueShoe]

I've been pretty sure that the BAP at a position of need would end up being a CB or an OT for some time.  However, I think the DBs are starting to separate themselves in the last few weeks of the draft process.  Specifically, players like Byron Jones, Eric Rowe, Damarious Randall, and Ronald Darby are beginning to get some serious buzz as 1st rounders.  Meanwhile, the OT class seems to have a lot of fallers, where players previously assumed to be 1st rounders (some of them high) are falling to the 2nd (like Flowers, Peat, and Humphries).

 

I'm really starting to believe that the OT fallers have been previously over-hyped (Flowers, most of all), as they seem to be similar athletes to the 2nd and 3rd rounders.  The DB risers are doing so largely because they have physical skills/measurable that set themselves apart from the pack (in a pretty dang good CB class).  Two DBs that I've been dropping in my mind from the DB group are Marcus Peters and Jalen Collins.  Their measurables are not close to those of the risers, and they come with questions (attitude and lack of production, respectively).

 

At this point, I really see the above pool of DBs being the best and safest choice for us in the 1st.  I'd order them: Rowe, Jones, Darby, and Randall.  It's looking like I'm going to go with Darby in my final mock, as I expect Rowe and Jones to be gone...

 

I disagree.

 

I only see 3 solid first round corners in this draft, and possibly a 4th corner at #32 to the Patriots. Trae Waynes, Jalen Collins, and Kevin Johnson should all go in the first 31 picks. Throw in Landon Collins and I see those 4 DBs as pretty much solid locks for the first round. 

 

Take your pick of Marcus Peters, P.J. Williams, and Ronald Darby as the possible 4th corner to the Patriots.

 

I don't see corners outweighing offensive linemen at all in this draft. I actually see several mid to late 1st round offensive linemen in this draft, which bodes well for playoff teams in need of offensive line help.

 

What I do see are several 2nd round corners and 2nd round inside linebackers. 

[Archer]

Interesting, I knew that rumors (mostly false) would start coming out soon, and that they should be ignored.  But Walter Football just put one out there that said the Colts are seriously considering a RB (in the 1st).  Wouldn't that put a crimp in my "plans"?!  If it happens, I sure hope it's Tevin Coleman!

[Dustin]

Interesting, I knew that rumors (mostly false) would start coming out soon, and that they should be ignored. But Walter Football just put one out there that said the Colts are seriously considering a RB (in the 1st). Wouldn't that put a crimp in my "plans"?! If it happens, I sure hope it's Tevin Coleman!

The Colts are going to take either Damarious Randall or Tevin Coleman in the first and people are still going to claim Grigson is a top-tier GM.

[BleedBlu8792]

The Colts are going to take either Danarious Randall or Train Coleman in the first and people are still going to claim Grigson is a to-tier HMM.

Early drinker eh?

[Dustin]

Early drinker eh?

Lol auto correct on my phone is awful.

[BleedBlu8792]

Lol auto correct on my phone is awful.

I figured...

[Superman]

Interesting, I knew that rumors (mostly false) would start coming out soon, and that they should be ignored.  But Walter Football just put one out there that said the Colts are seriously considering a RB (in the 1st).  Wouldn't that put a crimp in my "plans"?!  If it happens, I sure hope it's Tevin Coleman!

 

People have been talking about the Colts taking a RB in the first for a while now, usually Gurley or Gordon. 

[chad72]

Ronald Darby??? For some reason, I see Landon Collins dropping to us.

[Briggs32]

Totally agree, for better or worse. Peters would be a perfect fit for our defense, and if he keeps his head on straight, he's going to be a really good player. But Grigson has expressed frustration with some of the dumb stuff that players have been doing lately, particularly young guys. I think there are a lot of good prospects that probably aren't on the board this year because of the antics of guys like Andrew Jackson, Trent Richardson, John Boyett, Lavon Brazill, etc.

Peters had one run in with the law in college and I believe it was for pot. The other problems were clashing with the coach. I've heard that Coach S wasn't one to like being challenged or questioned and Peters made his opinions known. A guy like Vontae Davis could really help him.