Colts' Glaring Roster Holes Means Ryan Grigson Can't Miss in 2015 Draft

[Dustin]

http://m.bleacherreport.com/articles/2336026-colts-glaring-roster-holes-means-ryan-grigson-cant-miss-in-2015-draft

[oldunclemark]

The Bears have glaring roster holes...the Colts dont

[Dustin]

The Bears have glaring roster holes...the Colts dont

I mean we have like 1 safety on the roster.

[COLTS449]

Yep, I've been saying this ever since we didn't sign another DT and Safety when free agency began. We have to hit big in the first 3 rounds at least, and we need to find a gem, or at least get some good depth in 4th or 5th. We need a DT and a safety who can come in and start day 1 IMO. We can get a guy like Eddie Goldman in the 1st, then a safety like Tartt, or maybe Derron Smith in the 2nd. If we add a big, run stuffing DT, and a ball hawking safety who doesn't miss tackles we could have a top 5 defense IMO. We're perfectly set on offense except OL, but that could even be much better next season.

[Smonroe]

http://m.bleacherreport.com/articles/2336026-colts-glaring-roster-holes-means-ryan-grigson-cant-miss-in-2015-draft

It was a detailed article, but his conclusion is suspect. Yes, we do have a need at safety but there is experience at every other position.

No GM in the league is going to hit on all their moves. Grigs has done at least a B rated job.

[crazycolt1]

Dome and gloom thread.    

[crazycolt1]

It was a detailed article, but his conclusion is suspect. Yes, we do have a need at safety but there is experience at every other position.

No GM in the league is going to hit on all their moves. Grigs has done at least a B rated job.

According to a few Every pick that Grigson makes has to be an all star player or he don't know what he is doing. It don't matter that there are 31 other GMs in the NFL that want the best players. We all know that the Colts have unlimited cap room and it so easy to snap a finger and get anyone you want.

[Gavin]

Im thinking in terms of player and round if we go with a pure needs based draft (Which I don't expect because its simply not the logical way to draft)

1.Goldman

2.Cody Prewitt

5.Jeff Luc

[oldunclemark]

I mean we have like 1 safety on the roster.

We have more than one and its March, right?

[Dustin]

We have more than one and its March, right?

Safety is a glaring hole is what I mean.

[Jules]

It's true regardless, you have to nail draft picks to build a successful team long term.

[colts_100nascar17fan]

Reality is that there are quite a few holes. Adding all those old players is prolly not the answer and prolly won't get the outcome we all want unless the other top teams drop off drastically.

[wig]

Reality is that there are quite a few holes. Adding all those old players is prolly not the answer and prolly won't get the outcome we all want unless the other top teams drop off drastically.

Adding old players allows you to get guys that can make an immediate impact on short-term deals while you draft going talent to replace them. Can't imagine a better off season so far.

[OhioColtsGirl]

Adding old players allows you to get guys that can make an immediate impact on short-term deals while you draft going talent to replace them. Can't imagine a better off season so far.

I agree with this. Still need a safety, but I feel we've had a pretty good offseason thus far.

[RealityIsLuck]

Hit on a S,NT, and any other Player and this is a signature draft for Grigs.

[Superman]

Safety is a glaring hole is what I mean.

It was a glaring hole last year, too, and Grigson didn't take a safety in the draft. Of course, we had half the picks. I don't know what he's gonna do.

I think Jeromy Miles might be a post-June 1 signing, assuming he hasn't retired or something.

[#BringBobBack]

i say we bring in a veteran like Bernard Pollard to pair with Adams on a one year deal and draft a replacement for him in one of the first 3 rounds like Derron Smith out of Fresno State who i've been researching and the more   tape i watch the more i like him. I'm going to do my last mock on Monday and he's one of my top picks at safety.

[crazycolt1]

Reality is that there are quite a few holes. Adding all those old players is prolly not the answer and prolly won't get the outcome we all want unless the other top teams drop off drastically.

If you think the Colts have quite a few holes to fill tell us exactly where you think? The Colts have added a few very good players to an already pretty good squad. You make it sound like the Colts team is trash. From what I read and see from just about all who follow the Colts seem to think they have a very good chance of making the super bowl already. Every team in the NFL would like to have better players at certain positions. They were leading the NFL most of last season in offense. They have picked up players to make the defense better. Grigson has left no rocks unturned that I can think of so pray tell us.

[NewColtsFan]

When the article said Andre Johnson is the best WR Luck has had to throw in his 3 years to without mentioning TY Hilton or Reggie Wayne in 2012,  I had read enough....

 

Not a big fan of the article.....

 

Yes,  safety is a hole...   and before training camp in late July I expect the hole to be closed.

[TKnight24]

Grigson hasn't exactly "missed" much during his tenure, just more so of the players being dumb or injured

Brazill

Boyett

Rogers

Fugger

Anderson

Only miss really was Werner. I'll never understand Grigson's train of thought taking a project player with a 1st round pick, Grigson is a genius but I seriously think he out thinks himself sometimes. Could've easily took Xavier Rhodes but instead we take a disappointment project player

Mewhort, Newsome, Hilton, Allen, Moncrief all hAve worked out or are working out though. But would be nice to add to that list with at least 5 of our picks this year

[colts_100nascar17fan]

Well wr u added an old slower player who dropped alot of balls last year. Everyone seems to think he will play younger and put up big numbers. O-line is average at best,center is unproven to be good,rt is so so, add that up with a old slower type frank gore does not equal a boat load of yds n tds(goal line scores more like),he played ok in sf will a very solid run blocking o-line, saftey at both positions, 1 more corner cuz butler is only a slot cover and he was off last year and toler is due for an injury. Lb,nt/dt (Lankford isn't a savior). Someone to replace werner(rusher since Mathis is in ?). Should of let av go and pay to go after a younger better justin tucker (over the long hall). Of course this is all hog wash when luck gets his 25 mil a year and ya can't keep many elite players anymore (luck and hilton = 35-40 mil a yr minimum my guess).

If you think the Colts have quite a few holes to fill tell us exactly where you think? The Colts have added a few very good players to an already pretty good squad. You make it sound like the Colts team is trash. From what I read and see from just about all who follow the Colts seem to think they have a very good chance of making the super bowl already. Every team in the NFL would like to have better players at certain positions. They were leading the NFL most of last season in offense. They have picked up players to make the defense better. Grigson has left no rocks unturned that I can think of so pray tell us.

[crazycolt1]

Well wr u added an old slower player who dropped alot of balls last year. Everyone seems to think he will play younger and put up big numbers. O-line is average at best,center is unproven to be good,rt is so so, add that up with a old slower type frank gore does not equal a boat load of yds n tds(goal line scores more like),he played ok in sf will a very solid run blocking o-line, saftey at both positions, 1 more corner cuz butler is only a slot cover and he was off last year and toler is due for an injury. Lb,nt/dt (Lankford isn't a savior). Someone to replace werner(rusher since Mathis is in ?). Should of let av go and pay to go after a younger better justin tucker (over the long hall). Of course this is all hog wash when luck gets his 25 mil a year and ya can't keep many elite players anymore (luck and hilton = 35-40 mil a yr minimum my guess).

 

I'm not buying your doom and gloom assessment.

[corgi]

Well wr u added an old slower player who dropped alot of balls last year. Everyone seems to think he will play younger and put up big numbers. O-line is average at best,center is unproven to be good,rt is so so, add that up with a old slower type frank gore does not equal a boat load of yds n tds(goal line scores more like),he played ok in sf will a very solid run blocking o-line, saftey at both positions, 1 more corner cuz butler is only a slot cover and he was off last year and toler is due for an injury. Lb,nt/dt (Lankford isn't a savior). Someone to replace werner(rusher since Mathis is in ?). Should of let av go and pay to go after a younger better justin tucker (over the long hall). Of course this is all hog wash when luck gets his 25 mil a year and ya can't keep many elite players anymore (luck and hilton = 35-40 mil a yr minimum my guess).

 

No reason to let AV go. The salary cap continues to go up. Gore and Johnson are both still good. Saying someone is due for an injury is like saying you are due to win the lottery. Langford wasn't brought in to be a savior.

[Indianapolis-Colts-Fan]

As of right now this off season has been as good as 2012. If we could nail as many draft picks as that year it would be awesome. Going into the off season I had many doubts for this team. As of today I have much fewer and I feel once the draft is done, I will feel pretty good going into this season.

But every year there is a problem at some position. If it's not RB its S if it's not NT it's its a TE who can't block (Robinson... Sorry). I'm just saying, right now on paper we seem to be doing pretty well. I like the signings that have been made.

[superrep1967]

I agree with this. Still need a safety, but I feel we've had a pretty good offseason thus far.

yes we have It's near genius IMO

[SOMDColtsfan]

The 4 big lopsided losses last year to the Steelers, Cowboys and Patriots(twice) still put a trace of doubt in my mind of how good the Colts are/were and what they've done SO FAR to fix it. It still seems to me, key word seems-just my opinion, the offense keeps getting the cream of crop players and the defense more just players either past their prime or temporary band aids. Still waiting on that "Monster defense"   

[crazycolt1]

I mean we have like 1 safety on the roster.

The Colts have 4 safeties on the roster. Adams, Anderson, Guy and McDonald.

[Dustin]

The Colts have 4 safeties on the roster. Adams, Anderson, Guy and McDonald.

My mistake. We have 1 rosterable saftey.

[crazycolt1]

My mistake. We have 1 rosterable saftey.

You don't know that for sure. They have talent or they wouldn't be on the team. Having players develop and making a starting rosters is not uncommon. There was a reason they were signed.

[Dustin]

You don't know that for sure. They have talent or they wouldn't be on the team.

 

That's not true. There are a ton of untalented players on NFL rosters. 

 

There was a reason they were signed.

 

 

The reason being special teams. 

[Valpo2004]

Grigson hasn't exactly "missed" much during his tenure, just more so of the players being dumb or injured

Brazill

Boyett

Rogers

Fugger

Anderson

Only miss really was Werner. I'll never understand Grigson's train of thought taking a project player with a 1st round pick, Grigson is a genius but I seriously think he out thinks himself sometimes. Could've easily took Xavier Rhodes but instead we take a disappointment project player

Mewhort, Newsome, Hilton, Allen, Moncrief all hAve worked out or are working out though. But would be nice to add to that list with at least 5 of our picks this year

 

You could count Thornton as a miss too.  Moncrief is too early to tell.  He had some big moments but when he got more playing time down the stretch he didn't do much at all.

 

The other thing to consider is that in 3 years, the only 1st round pick that Grigson hasn't missed on is Luck.  He drafted Werner and he traded one away for Trent.  Both big misses on that.  So that is a concern. . . 

 

If he misses on another first rounder this year I'm going to be pretty worried.  

[ProblChld32]

Grigs for the most part has had very successful drafts. i dont see this one being a bad one for him. 

[crazycolt1]

That's not true. There are a ton of untalented players on NFL rosters. 

 

 

The reason being special teams. 

There are a ton of untalented players on NFL rosters? They all have talent or they wouldn't be on a NFL roster. Some have more talent but talent sometimes has to be developed. The talent level does vary but there is just a very small percentage of football players who make a NFL roster. For you to say the special teams players are untalented is narrow minded at best. All across the NFL there are great players who started on special teams. Besides, special teams is just as important than any other part of the game. Without talented special team players the offense couldn't function. Get real.

[Dustin]

There are a ton of untalented players on NFL rosters? They all have talent or they wouldn't be on a NFL roster. Some have more talent but talent sometimes has to be developed. The talent level does vary but there is just a very small percentage of football players who make a NFL roster. For you to say the special teams players are untalented is narrow minded at best. All across the NFL there are great players who started on special teams. Besides, special teams is just as important than any other part of the game. Without talented special team players the offense couldn't function. Get real.

 

I didn't say special teams aren't important. Starting career specials teams players as starters on defense isn't smart. 

[lollygagger8]

While I don't really care for bleacher report articles, I wouldn't be upset if we went ILB with our first pick. 

[crazycolt1]

I didn't say special teams aren't important. Starting career specials teams players as starters on defense isn't smart. 

Jeez? That is not what you said. Your exact comment was that there was a ton of untalented player on special teams. Your own words. You even made it as a response. Players develop in practice and on special teams. The NFL is full of those type of players. Why are even trying to debate the issue?

[Dustin]

Jeez? That is not what you said.

 

Nope. 

[Defjamz26]

I see 3-4 glaring holes on this team: NT, DE, ILB, and Safety. And all of those positions basically have to do with run D, which says a lot. By not signing a star at DE and letting Brown and Landry go at safety, Grigson has made a statement that he's looking for better. The issue is now, that like the article says, he needs to be looking for young talent in the draft and not just FA's. Especially at safety. We let Bethea go because of age, then signed a past his prime Landry who is up there in age himself, and not we've got Adams who played well but is also up there in age.

 

We don't need another FA safety unless he's going to trade for a young guy like Vaccaro. ILB is a mess. I don't care if we did sign Nate Irving. Grigs needs to get a ILB at some point during the draft, preferably one who can cover.

 

Anyone who likes Chapman at NT needs to wake up. He didn't go in the 6th round because he was a steal, he went because he wasn't anything special and won't ever be anything special. They need a young stud at that spot. Someone to anchor the line and help the ILBS because they need all the help they can get.

 

At DE we need a game wrecker. Someone who's going to harass the RB and QB all day long.

[Jason_]

 

 

Anyone who likes Chapman at NT needs to wake up. He didn't go in the 6th round because he was a steal, he went because he wasn't anything special and won't ever be anything special. They need a young stud at that spot. Someone to anchor the line and help the ILBS because they need all the help they can get.

 

No, those who hate on Chapman need to wake up.  He is not a pro bowler by any means, but was far better than many try to make him out to be.  Oh, and he wasn't a 6th round pick.  He was taken with the first pick in the 5th round.  Those pesky facts, right?

[Defjamz26]

No, those who hate on Chapman need to wake up.  He is not a pro bowler by any means, but was far better than many try to make him out to be.  Oh, and he wasn't a 6th round pick.  He was taken with the first pick in the 5th round.  Those pesky facts, right?

 

5th/6th round, same difference. I don't expect him to be a pro-bowler but there is a lot better out there. In this draft there are 2 guys who could come in and start for the Colts at NT and be better than him. Goldman and Phillips have way more potential and athleticism at the position than Chapman and could upgrade the line immediately. Maybe they won't be pro-bowlers either but they could do more for your team than Chapman who gets abused by centers most of the times. They guy doesn't even require a double team, nor does he ever really take on the C and G like he's supposed to and occupy them so the LBs can come in, which is his main job.

 

No OC ever has to take Chapman into account when game planning.