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I saw this and also noted that the report shows that most NFL teams do NOT see Orchard as a candidate for OLB. 

 

They see him as a DE.      If true,  I hope that the Colts come to that conclusion as well.

 

We can make another conversion mistake like Werner.....

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I saw this and also noted that the report shows that most NFL teams do NOT see Orchard as a candidate for OLB. 

 

They see him as a DE.      If true,  I hope that the Colts come to that conclusion as well.

 

We can make another conversion mistake like Werner.....

 

Well he's much too light to be a 3-4 DE, so I guess you're saying you hope we don't take him.

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Well he's much too light to be a 3-4 DE, so I guess you're saying you hope we don't take him.

 

Yes.....   and I really like the kid.

 

If reports said he could easily make the switch to OLB,  then I'd be fine with drafting him.

 

But that's not what I'm reading.     He appears to be a 4-3 RDE.     Too bad.    Wish it wasn't so.....

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I think too much is made of the conversion from DE to OLB. Werner, for instance, isn't have trouble because of the conversion, IMO. He's having trouble because he doesn't have a great pass rush, and that would be the case at DE also. The tricky stuff about going to OLB -- setting the edge, dropping in space -- are the things he's done well. 

 

Orchard probably would have a tough time in coverage at first, but he's athletic enough to handle it. If you put him at Rush, he's probably going to drop 2 or 3 times a game, so it's not even a big deal. The question is whether he can pass rush in the NFL. I'm not sure he can; like Werner, he doesn't have a great pass rush, but I think he has more burst and bend than Werner, so I'm not all that worried about it. If we took him in the second, I'd be fine with that.

 

At this point, it's just a workout, so there's probably nothing to even talk about.

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I think too much is made of the conversion from DE to OLB. Werner, for instance, isn't have trouble because of the conversion, IMO. He's having trouble because he doesn't have a great pass rush, and that would be the case at DE also. The tricky stuff about going to OLB -- setting the edge, dropping in space -- are the things he's done well. 

 

Orchard probably would have a tough time in coverage at first, but he's athletic enough to handle it. If you put him at Rush, he's probably going to drop 2 or 3 times a game, so it's not even a big deal. The question is whether he can pass rush in the NFL. I'm not sure he can; like Werner, he doesn't have a great pass rush, but I think he has more burst and bend than Werner, so I'm not all that worried about it. If we took him in the second, I'd be fine with that.

 

At this point, it's just a workout, so there's probably nothing to even talk about.

Good point. We don't run the 3-4 all the time though.  Grigson is looking at a lot of players from the list that was in an earlier thread.

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Good point. We don't run the 3-4 all the time though.  Grigson is looking at a lot of players from the list that was in an earlier thread.

 

I agree. The Rush backer just needs to be able to rush the passer. If he can, it doesn't matter what stance he takes.

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He definitely has more burst then Werner in my opinion, Is more agile to. That said I don't see him having a real impact year 1 do to lack of strength and no developed pass rush.....But we made not need him to, I think late 2nd or trade down into the 3rd to get him

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I would say he's more of a Sam OLB because he doesn't show anything elite in terms of his pass rush ability.

He would have to gain quite a lot of strength to be considered much of a Sam linebacker. He is a decent pass rusher that shows flashes of greatness, and is average to below average at setting the edge. More of a developmental Rush linebacker IMO.

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So, Werner should look good some of the time.....? 

 

You guys are probably sick of reading this from me, but I don't think Werner's issues have anything to do with his conversion to OLB or his use in a 3-4. I think his issue is that he doesn't have the burst and bend that a really good pass rusher needs, and that wouldn't change if he were playing DE in a 4-3. He's actually pretty good at setting the edge and dropping into coverage. 

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You guys are probably sick of reading this from me, but I don't think Werner's issues have anything to do with his conversion to OLB or his use in a 3-4. I think his issue is that he doesn't have the burst and bend that a really good pass rusher needs, and that wouldn't change if he were playing DE in a 4-3. He's actually pretty good at setting the edge and dropping into coverage.

"I think his issue is that he doesn't have the burst and bend that a really good pass rusher needs, and that wouldn't change if he were playing DE in a 4-3."

Bingo!

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Isn't it weird how we're not hearing anything about the Colts working out any projected first round players? Maybe I'm just missing it.

Not at all weird actually, Grigson Im sure has his board setup/graded to know who he is going to take in the first round and now he could just be looking at guys he has an interest in beyond the 1st round....Maybe he sees Nate Orchard as a first round talent even
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I think he's a fringe-1st. But I'm expecting to here some guys like Malcom Brown, Bud Dupree, and Marcus Peters, ect.. 

 

#29 is a fringe-1st pick.

 

I'm not a Dupree fan, but he's super clean. I would think they'd be comfortable drafting him without meeting him, assuming they like him. And Peters is on the opposite end of the spectrum; I'd assume he's off their board.

 

The Colts had Gary Emanuel at Texas' pro day, and he worked Brown out. Unless it was actually Charlie Williams, and he worked out the RB Malcom Brown... http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/165085/all-eyes-on-malcom-brown-at-texas-pro-day

 

Anyways, yeah, I get your point.

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You guys are probably sick of reading this from me, but I don't think Werner's issues have anything to do with his conversion to OLB or his use in a 3-4. I think his issue is that he doesn't have the burst and bend that a really good pass rusher needs, and that wouldn't change if he were playing DE in a 4-3. He's actually pretty good at setting the edge and dropping into coverage. 

 

well I don't know about you (though I could guess lol), but I'm sick of reading that Werner would be better suited as a 4-3 DE. :)

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Isn't it weird how we're not hearing anything about the Colts working out any projected first round players? Maybe I'm just missing it. 

 

I don't recall that our private workouts with Werner were noticed and reported by anyone.

 

So, I'm guessing there are plenty of workouts that we're just not going to know about....

 

At least,  that's what I'm hoping for.....

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You guys are probably sick of reading this from me, but I don't think Werner's issues have anything to do with his conversion to OLB or his use in a 3-4. I think his issue is that he doesn't have the burst and bend that a really good pass rusher needs, and that wouldn't change if he were playing DE in a 4-3. He's actually pretty good at setting the edge and dropping into coverage. 

 

Somebody that is only good at setting the edge and is (I will give him a little credit here) decent in pass coverage shouldn't be drafted in the 1st round. 

 

I remember we had our pick in for Werner before the Vikings had barely walked off the stage. That's how certain Grigs was about this guy over Xavier Rhodes. <- which I would've bet money on us picking.  

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Somebody that is only good at setting the edge and is (I will give him a little credit here) decent in pass coverage shouldn't be drafted in the 1st round.

I remember we had our pick in for Werner before the Vikings had barely walked off the stage. That's how certain Grigs was about this guy over Xavier Rhodes. <- which I would've bet money on us picking.

That's an entirely different issue.
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