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Yeah, I remember reading it but have not found a link besides the Globe. It also may have been something Bill said during his weekly radio interview as I do remember it being discussed here on our stations quite a bit that the refs knew beforehand which is why the ref said not to cover Vereen on one of the plays. I am not sure why he would go to that extent if he was not tipped off by the Pats prior. Seems like a logical conclusion to make ...

 

If a player is ineligible, then it goes without saying that he doesn't need to be covered. The ref saying that could be a result of a million things, starting with common sense. It's quite a leap to assume that the Pats showed the refs before the game. It's quite another thing to state it as if it definitely happened, and the rest of us are dense for not acknowledging it.

 

The Ravens problem wasn't that they weren't sure about Vereen. It's that they couldn't identify that #47 was eligible. Whatever the ref said about Vereen is immaterial.

 

I would think that if Belichick expressly stated that they showed the refs before the game what they were going to do, that there would be an article somewhere on the worldwide web quoting him. I've looked for it myself, and haven't found anything. Did it really happen?

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If a player is ineligible, then it goes without saying that he doesn't need to be covered. The ref saying that could be a result of a million things, starting with common sense. It's quite a leap to assume that the Pats showed the refs before the game. It's quite another thing to state it as if it definitely happened, and the rest of us are dense for not acknowledging it.

 

The Ravens problem wasn't that they weren't sure about Vereen. It's that they couldn't identify that #47 was eligible. Whatever the ref said about Vereen is immaterial.

 

I would think that if Belichick expressly stated that they showed the refs before the game what they were going to do, that there would be an article somewhere on the worldwide web quoting him. I've looked for it myself, and haven't found anything. Did it really happen?

Perhaps Jerod will post a link ... he remembers it too ... but it may have been said but not have appeared in print.

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Perhaps Jerod will post a link ... he remembers it too ... but it may have been said but not have appeared in print.

 

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Call me the link police all you want, but I don't think it's unreasonable to question something like that when I've never heard of it happening before. When has a team ever previewed their trick plays for the refs before the game? How would that even work, without the other team seeing it? Did this happen in the same room where the balls are checked? (Just a joke, please don't have a heart attack.)

 

All I'm saying is that if something like this happened, and was acknowledged by anyone who would know for a fact that it happened, I think it would be sort of a big deal, as I've never heard of it happening before. I'm sort of a smart guy; I got good grades in school, I do well on tests, I have a decent memory. I'm also pretty tech-savvy. Surely I'd be able to find a link on the Internet system about this.

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Call me the link police all you want, but I don't think it's unreasonable to question something like that when I've never heard of it happening before. When has a team ever previewed their trick plays for the refs before the game? How would that even work, without the other team seeing it? Did this happen in the same room where the balls are checked? (Just a joke, please don't have a heart attack.)

 

All I'm saying is that if something like this happened, and was acknowledged by anyone who would know for a fact that it happened, I think it would be sort of a big deal, as I've never heard of it happening before. I'm sort of a smart guy; I got good grades in school, I do well on tests, I have a decent memory. I'm also pretty tech-savvy. Surely I'd be able to find a link on the Internet system about this.

I never said the Pats previewed it. I said they told the refs beforehand about the formations so they would be aware. And again, not everything appears print that is said.

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I never said the Pats previewed it. I said they told the refs beforehand about the formations so they would be aware. And again, not everything appears print that is said.

That kind of thing is not in Belichick's character. His demeanor is generally dour , and uncommunicative.

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I never said the Pats previewed it. I said they told the refs beforehand about the formations so they would be aware. And again, not everything appears print that is said.

 

JM did, piggybacking off your comment.

 

And there's still nothing supporting your claim that they even told the refs beforehand.

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Call me the link police all you want, but I don't think it's unreasonable to question something like that when I've never heard of it happening before. When has a team ever previewed their trick plays for the refs before the game? How would that even work, without the other team seeing it? Did this happen in the same room where the balls are checked? (Just a joke, please don't have a heart attack.)

 

All I'm saying is that if something like this happened, and was acknowledged by anyone who would know for a fact that it happened, I think it would be sort of a big deal, as I've never heard of it happening before. I'm sort of a smart guy; I got good grades in school, I do well on tests, I have a decent memory. I'm also pretty tech-savvy. Surely I'd be able to find a link on the Internet system about this.

 

Whether or not the Patriots did alert the officials, I don't know...but teams often give the officials a heads up when they are going to run trick plays. 

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JM did, piggybacking off your comment.

 

And there's still nothing supporting your claim that they even told the refs beforehand.

I did not know Jerod said that. I don't remember anything about a preview for the refs but like I said maybe he has more info on that.

 

Look, you can choose to disbelieve because I don't have a link. It is ok. It won't keep me up at night. But again not everything that is said appears in print ...

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I've never heard of that before. 

 

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/02/08/sean-payton-discussed-onside-kick-with-officials/

 

Third paragraph...

 

It’s not unusual for coaches to discuss trick plays with the officials, but it usually happens in a case where the coach wants to make sure there’s no potential penalty on the play. For instance, if a team is planning to throw a pass to an offensive tackle, the coach might discuss the formation of the play with the referee before the game to make sure the tackle will be an eligible receiver.

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http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/02/08/sean-payton-discussed-onside-kick-with-officials/

 

Third paragraph...

 

It’s not unusual for coaches to discuss trick plays with the officials, but it usually happens in a case where the coach wants to make sure there’s no potential penalty on the play. For instance, if a team is planning to throw a pass to an offensive tackle, the coach might discuss the formation of the play with the referee before the game to make sure the tackle will be an eligible receiver.

 

Look at that... links do exist!

 

Thanks. Also, good job digging up a link that would hurt me as a Colts fan... ;) Some payback:

 

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Or another best seller : Belichick's Tricks: From Gate to Deflate. An unauthorized biography comparing the modern day Patriots with the Nixon administration.

That book would pale in comparison to Bisciotti's best seller - "How I won a championship with a team comprised of criminals"

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Everything is not true ... unless you have a link than it is true.

Links at least validate things that you claim happen. You post links to most things. Then you post nonsense and claim not everything that is said is in print. We both know that in this day and age, anything worth hearing from an NFL player, coach, front office employee or owner is in print somewhere

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Links at least validate things that you claim happen. You post links to most things. Then you post nonsense and claim not everything that is said is in print. We both know that in this day and age, anything worth hearing from an NFL player, coach, front office employee or owner is in print somewhere

Yeah, I am big on links for validation but often things are said that do not appear print or they can be mis-represented in print. I have never posted non-sense that I am aware of and not had something to back it up.

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Yeah, I am big on links for validation but often things are said that do not appear print or they can be mis-represented in print. I have never posted non-sense that I am aware of and not had something to back it up.

How about this thread? Or the thread about the kid that retired? You said his message was demeaning to other players.

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I didn't start this thread.

Borland's message was demeaning to other players. Not his retirement itself but the way he positioned it.

You say demeaning, yet provide not one player saying as much. You don't have to start a thread to make claims with nothing to back it up

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Or , That Killer Instinct: A short story and portrait of the New England Patriots with a foreword from Aaron Hernandez.

This is fun. We could do it all day I suppose. But if I was going to do a Pats book, I would title it:

 

Silencing the Whiners: How Real Men Win while their Opponents Whine

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